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Fact check: Trump claims a wall made El Paso safe. Data shows otherwise.

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Fact check: Trump claims a wall made El Paso safe. Data shows otherwise.
Fact check: Trump claims a wall made El Paso safe. Data shows otherwise.

Trump: "The border city of El Paso, Texas, used to have extremely high rates of violent crime — one of the highest in the country, and considered one of our nation's most dangerous cities," Trump said in his State of the Union address Tuesday. “Now, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of our safest cities."


Trump: 'Defend our very dangerous southern border'

But the statistics don't back him up, even as he heads there on Monday to press his argument that walls work. According to law enforcement data, the city had low crime rates well before a border barrier was constructed between 2008 and mid-2009.

THE FACTS
Violent crime has been dropping in El Paso since its modern-day peak in 1993 and was at historic lows before a fence was authorized by Congress in 2006. Violent crime actually ticked up during the border fence's construction and after its completion, according to police data collected by the FBI.

Democratic officials immediately took issue with the picture Trump painted Tuesday night, saying the president was using their city to justify a pointless and unnecessary wall.

"The facts are clear. While it is true that El Paso is one of the safest cities in the nation, it has never been '...considered one of our Nation’s most dangerous cities,'" the city's sheriff, Richard Wiles, an Democrat, said in a statement after Trump concluded his address. "And, El Paso was a safe city long before any wall was built.”

The city's Republican mayor, Dee Margo, also sought to correct the record.

"I believe he was given some misinformation," Margo told CNN in an interview, adding the idea that El Paso was a lawless and dangerous place before fencing was built is "not factually correct."

Margo said he'd correct the president if he reiterated falsehoods about El Paso on Monday.

“The geography of Texas won’t allow a fence from El Paso to Brownsville even if you wanted to do it,” Margo said.

Why does Trump have to lie so much on this matter? If it was so important, shouldn't the truth be enough to convince people?
 
Your link provided the answer - the mayor of El Paso believes that Trump was given misinformation.


Any misinformation has long been corrected. Trump doesn't give a damn. He doesn't have the will or ability to reincorporate correct information into the fantasy he has built.
 
Any misinformation has long been corrected. Trump doesn't give a damn. He doesn't have the will or ability to reincorporate correct information into the fantasy he has built.

Yep, Trump continues to parrot what his speech writers provide.
 
Your link provided the answer - the mayor of El Paso believes that Trump was given misinformation.

He has lied about several other things regarding this matter. Either way, he was wrong.
 
Your link provided the answer - the mayor of El Paso believes that Trump was given misinformation.

Has he ever met when anyone down there to get the facts? From what I see -- no.
 
Yes, Trump was wrong.



But the Wall is still going up.
 
Yes, Trump was wrong.



But the Wall is still going up.

Please stay on topic in my threads. Trump is wrong quite a lot.
 
Trump's a pathological liar.
 
Please stay on topic in my threads. Trump is wrong quite a lot.


Perhaps you're having an off night. I agreed Trump was wrong about El Paso. Was the first thing I said.



But the Wall is still going up and no amount of whining or hair pulling is going to stop it.
 
But the Wall is still going up and no amount of whining or hair pulling is going to stop it.

Not from Congress, also please stay on topic.
 
Fact check: Trump claims a wall made El Paso safe. Data shows otherwise.
Fact check: Trump claims a wall made El Paso safe. Data shows otherwise.



Why does Trump have to lie so much on this matter? If it was so important, shouldn't the truth be enough to convince people?

Nope. He has to exaggerate and/or lie. It’s just the way he is. Trump isn’t troubled with things like facts—if they conflict with his “gut”. He knows more and has the better understanding of what is important, and that’s all that matters. No need for experts—unless they agree with him, then they are important and to be listened to. Sorry, I had to get that out before I make my point. Kind of a preamble and tribute to Trump’s horrible style of leadership.

That being said, I’ve been to El Paso and also Cuidad Juarez. El Paso is a very nice Texas city, and I wouldn’t mind living there. But...across the border is a crime ridden, horrible city that I do not recommend anyone go to. A wall there, in my humble opinion, is a GOOD IDEA! It is needed—along with all the other security stuff. We need walls along the border—Trump is right about that (there—I said it, Trumpsters). We don’t need a wall from sea to shining sea. Indeed, the article even says there are places that a wall can’t be built. I pray Congress can come together for a solution—I don’t want to see more innocent Americans suffer another shutdown.

"I will build a great wall -- and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me --and I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words." — Donald Trump, June 2015
 
Not from Congress, also please stay on topic.



The Wall will be built whether thru Congress or by other means.


You're going to have to look for new voters elsewhere.
 
The Wall will be built whether thru Congress or by other means.


You're going to have to look for new voters elsewhere.

1. Not from Congress. I'm glad we can clear that up. If it does happen, it sure won't be the long spanning tall solid wall he campaigned on. Just a dinky fence here and there.

2. Why would I look for voters, I'm not running for office.

3. Speaking of voters, why are you guys so scared of an Election Holiday?
 
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The Wall will be built whether thru Congress or by other means.


You're going to have to look for new voters elsewhere.

Congress will likely give him a bone to say he got his wall, but it will be a token, not a wall. There never is going to be a real wall; there is no need for one. If he tries to do his "executive action" it will be hung up and then shot down in court. There is no foundation to declare it an emergency. That emergency may have existed in 2006, but whatever problem we had then has been substantially mitigated by 2018.

I do agree that the whole shut down thing is just a political power game. It will be won by the Speaker as Trump simply is out-classed here. He picked the wrong issue to have his fight (or temper tantrum, depending on your perspective).
 
Perhaps you're having an off night. I agreed Trump was wrong about El Paso. Was the first thing I said.



But the Wall is still going up and no amount of whining or hair pulling is going to stop it.

Wow what a shocker, a trump supporter deflecting from the actual topic of trump lying. Your comments are beyond pathetic and show your support to a pathelogical logical liar like trump. Yeah feel proud of yourself. :roll:
 
Wow what a shocker, a trump supporter deflecting from the actual topic of trump lying. Your comments are beyond pathetic and show your support to a pathelogical logical liar like trump. Yeah feel proud of yourself. :roll:



No, not really. I immediately agreed that Trump was wrong here. Or if it makes you feel better, he lied.


But the Wall is still going to be built.
 
No, not really. I immediately agreed that Trump was wrong here. Or if it makes you feel better, he lied.


But the Wall is still going to be built.

Well the only way it will be built is by a supposed “National Emergency” and if you cheer that, just wait until a Dem president declares a “National Emergency” on something you disagree with. You reap what you sow, so hope you enjoy getting something shoved down your throat you don’t like.
 
Well the only way it will be built is by a supposed “National Emergency” and if you cheer that, just wait until a Dem president declares a “National Emergency” on something you disagree with. You reap what you sow, so hope you enjoy getting something shoved down your throat you don’t like.

I guess the best response from a Democrat president would be to declare "National emergency" to address global warming. And since there will be no requirement to establish reasonable connections between facts and presidential wants, it would be okay for him to argue that Trump's wall contributes to global warming and get funds to tear it down...(sarcasm intended).
 
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