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    Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come together

    (CNN) Border security negotiations, for days considered on the path to a weekend agreement, have not progressed, and members on both sides have started to discuss whether backstop alternatives to prevent another government shutdown are necessary, three sources involved told CNN.
    A Democratic aide briefed on talks said the discussions "broke down" on Saturday after the Senate GOP rejected their position on limits for Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention beds in the interior of the country. The source said there was progress on border barriers and detention beds, but that Democrats "cannot agree to physical barrier spending above the level we want without GOP concessions on ICE."
    Two senior Republican aides told CNN Sunday morning that negotiations fell apart because the Democratic ask on internal enforcement caps was a non-starter.
    Source: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come together

    I used CNN as my source here, but the talks faltering is being widely reported by other reputable sources. In fact, CNN seems a bit more cautious in their use of the term "concerned", since most other sources are calling the talks "stalled".

    In an effort to provide a balanced OP, I quoted an introductory excerpt of the topic itself, followed by a Dem commentary excerpt and a Republican commentary excerpt. They all seem to corroborate each other.

    According to the article's claims, it seems the Dems may be willing to go part of the way to meeting Trump's demands for his wall, but expect compromise or concession on ICE detainment - something the Republicans seem not willing to negotiate.

    So, what do you think? Should both sides make concessions? Should the Repubs hold their ground? Should the Dems? Should Nancy throw it back to Trump, and tell him: "It's your wall, you figure it out"?
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    like i said in the other thread about this, close the airports. the rich hate it when they can't travel, and that dissolves shutdowns like boiling water melts ice.

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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    And so, once again, the repubs demands for more money will lead to a govt shutdown

    Because it worked so well for them the last time
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    It is not the least bit surprising that adding three more weeks of 'negotiation time' did not prod congress critters into passing a 'budget' bill that was due before 10/1/2018.
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    like i said in the other thread about this, close the airports. the rich hate it when they can't travel, and that dissolves shutdowns like boiling water melts ice.
    Actually, we had gotten to the point of reduced screening throughput, which was significantly increasing travel times, and it was greatly escalating. So it had already gotten to a pretty bad place and was heading for worse. But we've got to be careful here with travel shutdowns, because we can tank the economy and explode the markets.
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Source: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come together

    I used CNN as my source here, but the talks faltering is being widely reported by other reputable sources. In fact, CNN seems a bit more cautious in their use of the term "concerned", since most other sources are calling the talks "stalled".

    In an effort to provide a balanced OP, I quoted an introductory excerpt of the topic itself, followed by a Dem commentary excerpt and a Republican commentary excerpt. They all seem to corroborate each other.

    According to the article's claims, it seems the Dems may be willing to go part of the way to meeting Trump's demands for his wall, but expect compromise or concession on ICE detainment - something the Republicans seem not willing to negotiate.

    So, what do you think? Should both sides make concessions? Should the Repubs hold their ground? Should the Dems? Should Nancy throw it back to Trump, and tell him: "It's your wall, you figure it out"?
    Trump and the Republicans are fools if they think Pelosi is going to cave this time. She already held the line during the last shutdown, and she has the entire Democratic base behind her to do it again.

    Two shutdowns in one year, and we're only a month and a half in, would look terrible for the president and his self-professed ability to make deals. The Republicans need to compromise.
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    Actually, we had gotten to the point of reduced screening throughput, which was significantly increasing travel times, and it was greatly escalating. So it had already gotten to a pretty bad place and was heading for worse. But we've got to be careful here with travel shutdowns, because we can tank the economy and explode the markets.
    people shouldn't work for free, and toddlers shouldn't be allowed to take hostages. let the wealthy telecommute. they own congress, so they'll make sure that shutdowns end quickly just like they did last time.

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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    I think you need to get the ridiculous "CNN" derangement problem exhibited in you opening post addressed.

    Dems are doing way too much compromising on this, Trump has been a complete jerk have twice before agreed and reneged.

    Of course he is a leaf blowing in the wind on everything.
    Trump is president because folks cant stand those they were brought up to look down on having passed them.

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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And so, once again, the repubs demands for more money will lead to a govt shutdown

    Because it worked so well for them the last time
    Yep - resist, resist, resist wins again. After all, doing nothing much different (yet another CR) gets congress critters re-elected at a rate of over 90%. Keeping things as "issues" is the politically preferred bipartisan solution.
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    Re: Border security talks have not progressed through weekend, growing concern deal won't come toget

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And so, once again, the repubs demands for more money will lead to a govt shutdown

    Because it worked so well for them the last time
    Yeah, that's why in my post at the end, my final option was Pelosi simply tossing it all back to Trump to figure it out himself. It's been reported elsewhere that the Dems are offering 2B to the wall. I can see Nancy Telling Trump, "take-it-or-leave-it, it's your wall".
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