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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    I’m sorry, but I’m not in support of hate groups or racist organizations, nor do I take their reports seriously.
    Nor am I in support of hate groups. But what I said was that I am an independent thinking person and I don't need someone to tell me what to think, including who is a hate group and who is not. What makes you, who doesn't seem to be willing or able to think independently, think that the SPLC is never incorrect? Either you are intelligent enough to independently evaluate the honesty of the SPLC and FAIR on your own or you are not. If you can't do so for one, you can't do so for the other.

    So if you can't read and think for yourself you really shouldn't take anything seriously, including the SPLC.

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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    (a) Because Trump makes leftwing heads explode

    (b) Because Trump is their best chance to advance their anti-abortion agenda


    Nothing else matters. Not what a heinous person Trump is. Not how much he lies. Not how he openly does things that they accused Obama of secretly doing. Not the human rights violations he is committing. Not how many of his immigration proposals would do the opposite of what he claims are his anti-crime goals if they are enacted. Not how he is tarnishing America's image. Not how much damage he is doing to farmers and other stressed businesses. Just how good he is at trolling leftwingers and how he is the best chance the far right has of taking away women's reproductive rights.
    Sorry, but I have to disagree. The proof of what Trump's base wants is clearly demonstrated by what Trump does to appeal to them.

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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Exactice View Post
    Hmm Good point.... But here is the thing about that. Judges normally and my assumption is their ruling is BASED on "current" existing laws. While some judges and freely have the right to base their judgement on emotion and compassion is it NOT the basis of judgement on the existing LAW? A judge cannot invent or circumvent the law on a normal basis, while extreme case do exist the NORM is that of basing on existing law? So again I do NOT think they change laws based on their judgement, THE LAW still stands they just decided on their on at that moment the law may NOT be proper. As they may rule in favor of the law in other cases, but the LAW is always there?
    There are cases for which the circumstances have never been presented in a court of law before. In those cases, though the judges are guided by current law and legal principles, their decisions are, in essence, new law.

    However, my point was not about judges. I merely used judges decisions as an example of laws that are not legislative as a counter-argument to your claim that all laws must pass Congress and be signed by the president. The more relevant examples belong to administrative and regulatory law, both of which have seen important changes under the Trump administration. For example, when he was AG, Jeff Sessions ruled that immigrants who were the victims of domestic violence do not qualify for asylum. Before that, they were eligible for asylum under the law. Now, they are not. The law changed.
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    (a) Because Trump makes leftwing heads explode

    (b) Because Trump is their best chance to advance their anti-abortion agenda


    Nothing else matters. Not what a heinous person Trump is. Not how much he lies. Not how he openly does things that they accused Obama of secretly doing. Not the human rights violations he is committing. Not how many of his immigration proposals would do the opposite of what he claims are his anti-crime goals if they are enacted. Not how he is tarnishing America's image. Not how much damage he is doing to farmers and other stressed businesses. Just how good he is at trolling leftwingers and how he is the best chance the far right has of taking away women's reproductive rights.
    Citation please.
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Trump and his supporters call people seeking asylum invaders. Trump has decreased the number of VISAS issued by more than half. It's obvious he wants to slow down immigration levels, especially ones from ****hole countries. Trump wants white Norwegian immigrants.
    Not everyone from Norway, is white.
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Roadvirus View Post
    What do you call a group of 1K+ people who want to pour over another nation's border all at once? Visitors?
    Aggressive Tourist.
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Okay. Give me a quote from Trump.
    If you're going to ask for a factual citation from any of them. I am going to go ahead and tell you to prepared to be disappointed.

    Asking for a citation, or facts from an anti-Trumper in this day and age. Is tantamount to asking a rock, how fire works.
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They are seeking asylum and have a right to apply. They don't have a right to enter illegally. Despite all the hateful fearmongering of Donald Trump, we do have a southern boarder protected by laws, and America can handle the caravans without threatening to shot people. We have handled way more people trying to enter America all at once before Trump was president. He is only manipulating your fears, and calling them invaders and animals, because he is a bigot.

    I have talked to many Trump supporters, and I don't think the majority of Trumpers are interested in giving foreigners asylum... especially ones from south of boarder or Muslims....
    If you actually believe all of those people are really seeking asylum. Then you're far more gullible than I originally took you for.

    I take it you believe the caravan was almost all women and children as well?
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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    Some of trump’s many falsehoods exposed. Why do republicans go along with this nonsense?

    AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants
    Propaganda drives the US public perception. Trump is really just a propagandist, whether nonsensical promises as a candidate, or offering sophistry and lies about Venezuela.

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    Re: AP FACT CHECK: Trump taps false stereotypes about immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Exactice View Post
    Ive made my stance clear and I know the laws and process pretty well. You have inserted 3 pieces of either hyperbole, rhetoric or personal opinion.

    I understand your emotion but unfortunately for me, I do not work or deal around emotion, I have compassion and want to fight for laws within compassion BUT I do not react with emotion as emotion changes. Trump has NOT sent any military to shoot anyone I have edified and corrected that.

    Muslim application if warranted due to the location designated by the lack of government, he has every RIGHT to ban X application. NO it Cannot be called a muslim ban as it has NOTHING to do with religion and all to do with a stable government.

    It seems you do NOT want to do with my "facts" but rather your emotions. I think we can conclude this is as far as our discussion goes and THUS edifies the issue I Have WITH the OP topic. People calling out fact checking to demonize trump as liar but their OWN FACTS dont add up or make sense.

    Have a wonderful evening SheWolf
    You don't think Trump and his supporters are not emotional? You don't think calling asylum seekers invaders is an emotional argument? In case you forgot, this thread isn't about me. It's about Trump's demogogery, and if you don't want to offer an opinion on that or on his rhetoric, which is not fact based, and plays into peoples fears then maybe you should just leave the thread.

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