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Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

Conservative said:
And yet approximately 50% of income earners pay ZERO Federal Income Taxes. Isn't it the IRS's responsibility to administer and enforce tax laws. Has Trump been audited by the IRS?
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I pay taxes. I expect that anybody with more income than I have should pay taxes too. Trump probably makes more than I do. So he should pay taxes!!! For you to excuse him of his tax obligation simply displays your partisan hackery and ignorance.
 
Tangmo said:
The Right's only approach is to beg the question and to belabor the obvious. You have no defense of Potus Trump not releasing is tax data or of it being released. We the voters have the right to know whether Potus has any conflict(s) of interest either foreign or domestic or both. The Right is in mortal political fear of Trumps tax filings becoming known. This further confirms to many of us that the political and cultural interests and loyalties of the Right lie outside the United States. Absolutely. And unrelentingly.







I see you've thrown in the proverbial towel on your vacuous rinse and repeat questions and your pursuit of 'em. They all do sooner or later over there because common sense demands and requires it. Only losers persist in it. Indeed, the longer the nonsense goes on the bigger the self expose' and the greater the loss and the cost. This expose' loss and cost is huge already.
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Easy fix.

Get a warrant.
 
Roadvirus said:
So these people also have no problem with seeing the Constitution trampled on, because that is what the House Dems are planning to do.
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Do tell... how is House Oversight trampling on the Constitution? Oversight of the Executive Branch, by Congress is an power that has been tested and affirmed by the SCOTUS.

Sorry, but Trump's Tax Returns, given his international financial entanglements with nations that have been enemies or rivals of the United States is very far pertinent given the threat to American than Benghazi, Fast and Furious or the IRS issues that the Republicans pursued ad naseum (and without result).
 
Fledermaus said:
Easy fix.

Get a warrant.
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The House Ways and Means Committee can legally inspect his tax returns. No warrant necessary.

After that it's likely that the Committee could make them public if there was a good reason for doing so.
 
Fledermaus said:
Then why the hue and cry for a law requiring disclosure?
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What you're referring to is a proposed law that would make it legally required for Presidential candidates to disclose their tax returns. What if the WM Committee was of the same political party as the President and wanted to cover for him (see: last two years)? What if the President is able to fight the WM Committee, thus preventing his tax returns from going public? At that point there would be no way to assure the public regarding potential conflicts of interest.

Democrats taking over the House means that oversight might finally happen, but we could have avoided this mess altogether if he had been required to disclose his tax returns from the start.

Oh, to also answer your question, making his returns public is actually quite difficult:

"Even if Democrats do lay hands on the returns, experts say handling the information would be trickier than it appears. Improperly disclosing confidential tax information is a felony, and lawmakers could find themselves in legal jeopardy if they don’t follow strict rules."

Neal defends go-slow approach to seeking Trump's tax returns - POLITICO
 
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Tangmo said:
The Right's only approach is to beg the question and to belabor the obvious. You have no defense of Potus Trump not releasing is tax data or of it being released. We the voters have the right to know whether Potus has any conflict(s) of interest either foreign or domestic or both. The Right is in mortal political fear of Trumps tax filings becoming known. This further confirms to many of us that the political and cultural interests and loyalties of the Right lie outside the United States. Absolutely. And unrelentingly.







I see you've thrown in the proverbial towel on your vacuous rinse and repeat questions and your pursuit of 'em. They all do sooner or later over there because common sense demands and requires it. Only losers persist in it. Indeed, the longer the nonsense goes on the bigger the self expose' and the greater the loss and the cost. This expose' loss and cost is huge already.
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No defense necessary as the results provide that defense and results matter except to people like you who seem to believe it is important for the President to be liked. Apparently I qualify as a loser because I rely on results instead of opinions and pay attention to results and not rhetoric. Worked well for me for over 35 years in the private sector
 
Media_Truth said:
I pay taxes. I expect that anybody with more income than I have should pay taxes too. Trump probably makes more than I do. So he should pay taxes!!! For you to excuse him of his tax obligation simply displays your partisan hackery and ignorance.
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Then you should demand that the 50% of income earners who pay nothing in FIT pay something. As for Trump that is IRS's responsibilities and I believe he has been audited which obviously means nothing to you as you continue to show how poorly informed you are on just about every topic
 
upsideguy said:
Sorry, but Trump's Tax Returns, given his international financial entanglements with nations that have been enemies or rivals of the United States is very far pertinent given the threat to American than Benghazi, Fast and Furious or the IRS issues that the Republicans pursued ad naseum (and without result).
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Your comment along with a few others in this thread who think there is some God given right to see Trump's tax returns merely because one "feels like" there is something to hide or suspicious is incredibly laughable. You all are better off skipping being incredibly wordy to justify the reason and just simply say it is because you want to attempt to search and destroy the POTUS.

Did you know that Trump has already been audited by the IRS numerous amount of times when he was a private citizen before he became president?

Did you know POTUS and VP get a mandatory audit on their tax returns EVERY YEAR BY LAW?

Don't you think that if there was something unusual or illegal this would have been spotted or addressed by now?

As for international financial entanglements...who's the one that received a 1 million donation to a certain foundation from Qatar? Who's the one that sent 1.7 billion in cash to Iran with some other financial dealings behind the scenes? I could continue on the list, but will give you a hint if thinking isn't your strength: They weren't Republicans.

So to some of you, let's not go getting all righteous and heroic in trying to make the case why Trump's tax returns are important...
 
Conservative said:
...As for Trump that is IRS's responsibilities and I believe he has been audited which obviously means nothing to you...
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Why should that have any meaning to us?
 
Conservative said:
No defense necessary as the results provide that defense and results matter except to people like you who seem to believe it is important for the President to be liked. Apparently I qualify as a loser because I rely on results instead of opinions and pay attention to results and not rhetoric. Worked well for me for over 35 years in the private sector
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Methinks you're posting notes to the self.

It might be important for the Potus to be liked because it could enhance his credibility and effectiveness, but not necessarily. We see currently what it's like for a Potus to be rejected based on his crude personality, his cesspool character and his feeble intellect. All this and more is an aside to the thread and topic which is that we voters have the right to know about the Potus tax filings. The right is founded in the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Potus financial interests have a direct bearing on the national sovereignty, security, stability. The Right seeking fiercely and unrelentingly to quash the publication of Potus Trump's tax filings does in fact confirm that your interests and loyalties lie outside of the United States and its national security and sovereignty. So these are my notes to the Right directly.
 
bongsaway said:
Clinton, remember him? He was a democratic president who was impeached for a blow job. The 'investigation' started because of whitewater, nothing found there to impeach him for so let's get him for lying to congress about a blowjob. McConnell after Obama was elected told his flock their job was to make Obama a one term president. Very bipartisan of him, no? Everyone around trump who is not a butt kisser is either gone or publicly disagrees with him. The folks on the right, like you, would have america believe trump is the best president ever when most of the evidence points to his being the worst. Take off the blindfold and face reality.
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Good luck with that.
 
OpportunityCost said:
FFS. Benghazi resulted in deaths. It needed investigation and the crime was possible negligence that resulted in those deaths.

Trump's prior taxes have no involvement in a crime. No democrats is even arguing such, they simply want to dig through them to see what they can find. Its retarded you want to compare those two things. As I said, since he became President? Sure. Before? No culpability and its just partisan ****ery.
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Who cut funding for security?? Follow that trail.
 
Tangmo said:
It might be important for the Potus to be liked because it could enhance his credibility and effectiveness, but not necessarily. We see currently what it's like for a Potus to be rejected based on his crude personality, his cesspool character and his feeble intellect. All this and more is an aside to the thread and topic which is that we voters have the right to know about the Potus tax filings. The right is founded in the emoluments clause of the Constitution. Potus financial interests have a direct bearing on the national sovereignty, security, stability. The Right seeking fiercely and unrelentingly to quash the publication of Potus Trump's tax filings does in fact confirm that your interests and loyalties lie outside of the United States and its national security and sovereignty. So these are my notes to the Right directly.
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Those are some pretty lousy notes then since more than half of it is rooted in opinion and assumptions. If you plan to go down that road about national sovereignty, security and stability you will lose that argument given where Democrats stand on issues related to it.
 
No Soup For You said:
Those are some pretty lousy notes then since more than half of it is rooted in opinion and assumptions. If you plan to go down that road about national sovereignty, security and stability you will lose that argument given where Democrats stand on issues related to it.
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You're confused as to who stands for what since Trump became Potus and started presenting his surrender agenda on issues of national sovereignty, security, stability. You've missed completely that Conservatives/Republicans do in the main fully support Trump's agenda of surrender which is presented in the pretext of America First. America Firsters would have surrendered the USA to foreign hostile powers several score of years ago had they prevailed. Neither will the current generations of Fisters prevail.
 
Cardinal said:
"It is vitally important to our nation's freedom that police officers not be permitted to search my basement for the bodies of any boy scouts that routinely go missing around my home."
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It is also vitally important for the republic that we have the highest degree of transparency in government and the finance of powerful politicians to prevent (or at least reduce) corruption. If somebody who wants to serve in the highest positions in the government does not appreciate such transparency and wants to keep his finance private, then he should not be part of the government nor should he present himself as someone who is trying to drain the "swamp." I do not know the legal aspects of trying to get Trump's financial details, but I do know that there should be a a law which makes mandatory the disclosure of such information for politicians in powerful positions.
 
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Fledermaus said:
Easy fix.

Get a warrant.
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Nah, I'll let Trump teach you all why Trump should release his tax forms:

Why does Obama believe he shouldn't comply with record releases that his predecessors did of their own volition? Hiding something? - Trump 11:34 AM - 30 Oct 2012
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Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Why does Obama believe he shouldn't comply with record releases that his predecessors did of their own volition? Hiding something?"

So are you saying Trump is wrong?
 
haymarket said:
Well done!!!

Remember when he ripped on the Electoral College as the way to elect the President?

Trump is the worlds worst hypocrite.
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Oh yeah I remember his electoral college rant very well. Trump is a liar, hypocrite, horrible person overall, greedy, dishonest and corrupt. I can see why he appeals to Republicans.
 
uptower said:
While a majority of Americans would like to see them made public.

If Trump has nothing to hide I don't know why his supporters are so rabidly opposed to him showing his tax returns, which every other presidential candidate in the last few decades has volunteered to do.

Go on, if he's innocent, if he hasn't taken foreign laundered cash, if he doesn't owe the Russians, if he hasn't broken the emoluments clause, let's prove what a decent guy he is and show everyone!
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I think just like he demanded the birth certificate of Obama, he should also be a strong person and not hide behind the IRS and be honest and show his tax returns. But as he is not really a strong person and he honestly lacks massively in the honesty department, he will be the loser that he is and try his best to have his lackeys try and keep that information from the US public which makes me think he is hiding something big.
 
Why does Obama believe he shouldn't comply with record releases that his predecessors did of their own volition? Hiding something? - Trump 11:34 AM - 30 Oct 2012
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I copied the above quote from a previous post. I do not know who said it first, and I did not go through all the previous posts to find that information. Still, I think I can still respond

Obama not only released his financial records but he also participated in a deal for more transparency regarding the Clinton Foundation before having Hillary become Secretary of State. And in fact, much of the flak that Hillary received was based on the information that came out from such arrangements and the different donations that the Foundation received from different questionable sources.

As usual, some Trump supporters try to confuse things by equating a reluctance by a president to release personal information about things that do not affect current policies, like say college transcripts, to a reluctance to release personal information about issues like finance which affect current policies. The issue, of course, is if the knowledge of particular information is material or not to voters. Knowing if a president or any other powerful politician has deals with foreigners or the "swamp" is materially different from knowing personal details like what grades he got when he was a college student.
 
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Roadvirus said:
One of their functions is to also respect the Constitution of the United States.

If they take Trump's tax records without a warrant or subpoena, they are in violation of that function.
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What's the difference between Trump's tax returns and, say, Hilary's emails?

For the tax returns, Trump has several decades of precedent against him.

Further, after Trump's three year anti-Obama campaign and the childish rants about being born in Kenya (which was a direct accusation of fraud) Stupid is simply going to have to accept his fate.

He is the one who started this and over a silly birth certificate.

Whining about the exact same treatment now is really gutter time. If you can't stand getting **** in your face, stop slinging it at others
 
Peter King said:
I think just like he demanded the birth certificate of Obama, he should also be a strong person and not hide behind the IRS and be honest and show his tax returns. But as he is not really a strong person and he honestly lacks massively in the honesty department, he will be the loser that he is and try his best to have his lackeys try and keep that information from the US public which makes me think he is hiding something big.
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There's a very good point. The Trumpists believed it was vital for 'national security' that Obama show hi birth certificate, even his college transcripts when they were forced to move the goalposts after he did so. It's only fair and measured by the same standards that Trump release his tax returns. I'd say it really is vital to national security this time because there is evidence that points to the president being compromised by financial interests overseas.
 
Fearandloathing said:
What's the difference between Trump's tax returns and, say, Hilary's emails?

For the tax returns, Trump has several decades of precedent against him.

Further, after Trump's three year anti-Obama campaign and the childish rants about being born in Kenya (which was a direct accusation of fraud) Stupid is simply going to have to accept his fate.

He is the one who started this and over a silly birth certificate.

Whining about the exact same treatment now is really gutter time. If you can't stand getting **** in your face, stop slinging it at others
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One is a person tax filing the other was classified emails deleted after a subpoena was prepped for them.
 
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