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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So...the only reason you want to see Trump's tax records is because you want to go on a fishing expedition. It doesn't matter that his IRS file is confidential. You want to see it in hopes there is some dirt in there.

    You should actually show everyone that there ARE conflicts of interest, provide some evidence and then demand an investigation....instead of demanding an investigation to try to come up with evidence that would support your speculation that there is a conflict of interest. Don't do things bass ackwards.
    Transparency is NOT fishing expedition. Nor do I hold Trump to different standards than other politicians. EVERY recent candidate has actually revealed his tax returns.
    Yes, the IRS file is confidential and the House can still get it ,and we will see if they can legally reveal this information or not. From what I read in this thread, the issue will be debated legally, but I do not see any reason to prevent the House from obtaining such information. I also support legislation to make mandatory the disclosure of such information.
    Presumption of innocence applies only to courts. Voters are not jurors to decide if candidates should be locked in prison, and there is plenty of reason to demand transparency. I hold Trump to the same standards people were holding Clinton when they wanted to get information about the Clinton Foundation's donor list so I am not accepting lame excuses to treat him

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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by pamak View Post
    Transparency is NOT fishing expedition. Nor do I hold Trump to different standards than other politicians. EVERY recent candidate has actually revealed his tax returns.
    Yes, the IRS file is confidential and the House can still get it ,and we will see if they can legally reveal this information or not. From what I read in this thread, the issue will be debated legally, but I do not see any reason to prevent the House from obtaining such information. I also support legislation to make mandatory the disclosure of such information.
    Presumption of innocence applies only to courts. Voters are not jurors to decide if candidates should be locked in prison, and there is plenty of reason to demand transparency. I hold Trump to the same standards people were holding Clinton when they wanted to get information about the Clinton Foundation's donor list so I am not accepting lame excuses to treat him
    The day our government starts passing laws that disregard a citizen's right to privacy and confidentiality...just because someone in the public wants to know something or wants to examine private records to see if there is any dirt there...is the day our country is truly ****ed.

    You seem to think it's okay for our country to be ****ed.
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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    I don't spin in the silliness of the Republican led denials and drama antics and the sidline game of people playing as if they are specialist in a system that is conflicted within crafted gaming, with its intent to be confounding. We have the legal scholars who know the truth, and we have precedents and long standing policy, that is sound in the annals of our governance systems.

    Republicans have long flaunted their abuse of the system, and became "rabid' when President Obama spoke of the "Change" that is needed, Republican managed to blow smoke and cloud the minds of people during the Obama Administration, but what they did not destroy was the element of people being "awakened"... to the malice and the rigging of the system, which goes all the way back to the days of "white men" claiming the Constitution was "Only" for them, to the vile contortions that led to the malice filled acts that became the atrocity of Slavery, Indenture and Containment of Poor Whites, the Omission of Women in Governance and Omitting women from having the voice of vote, and promoting the long drawn out system of "white nationalistic agenda of white male dominance"...

    All such thing are "Fully Exposed" and the people who are aware, those who've become educated and those who have embraced the will, dedication and acts to be and become researcher's are uncovering the "ugly and vile" of what and how a system was so rigged against the American People.

    It matters none to me how much Republican wine and cry, spin and throw fits, their "brutality and willful desecration's upon and against our system against the american people and upon and against our governance... IT is exposed, it cannot make blind what people have come to see, and it cannot take away what people have come to know.

    People (mainly Republicans) play selective amnesia games, as if they are unaware that when Obama's work brought the Economy off its knees, it did so by putting prohibition on the gaming of the system, when it put controls on the banks, promoted regulatory governance as a core principle upon the financial industry, and challenged the big money fleecing of the people by the Medical and Insurance systems. This infuriated those who have long had control over the nations economy and subjugation s over the people. When Obama said, that we have to be "smart" in how we untangle ourselves from the war's... it sent ripples through the military contractors, and the soldier for fortunate games, which benefitted to the wealthy to the tune of trillions. They launched attacks upon him from every angle. But, THE DEMOCRATIC minds that could not be 'hoodwinked", and would not be sham played into becoming swayed by drama antics, or racial bias divisive gaming were not moved by the madness that has been played out on the society for centuries and decades.
    They did not fall for the drama wrapped intimidation and games of trying to confound the masses. They stood strong, they saw within the expanse of the ranks, by the voices of Democrats and the Voices of Independents, who had found ways to awaken those who had long been lulled to sleep, and faded by being confounded within the spins of drama and devise. They are now "AWAKENED"....
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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The day our government starts passing laws that disregard a citizen's right to privacy and confidentiality...just because someone in the public wants to know something or wants to examine private records to see if there is any dirt there...is the day our country is truly ****ed.

    You seem to think it's okay for our country to be ****ed.


    Are you now trying to defend freedom or defend the freedom to be corrupt?
    Those who want privacy should stay home. Nobody forces anybody to be involved in politics! Politicians should be scrutinized. Transparency helps draining the swamp.
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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    "THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED!" — Donald Trump
    11:00 AM · Jul 3, 2016 · Twitter for Android
    It is February 11, 2019, some how rhetoric still trumps actual results regardless of context

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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Proportionality, comparison.


    That isn't being debated. The question is, how much is enough? Do we really need to spend as much as we do? That is the question.

    Increasing military spending and lowering taxes on the rich and corporations is causing defecits to careen out of control

    Repubs want to cut back on entitlements. What part of my 92 year old mother's meager $800 per month do you want to cut?

    One must look at a broader picture, such as the BEA chart I provided, which paints a different picture than the one you are trying to paint.


    You don't know me.

    That's ridiculous. I"m all for entrepreneurship and have expressed nothing anywhere to say otherwise. I admire Gates, and Schultz, and self made men ( and women ). but there are a growing number of rich who merely inherit their wealth. I'm against dynasty-ism. Trump is not a self made man.


    Wages have been flat for decades, yet the rich's wealth is outpacing inflation and the rich's income are far in excess of inflation. That proves the system is rigged.

    I've been self - employed for the last 15 years and most of my life. Don't lecture me on "drive".
    So rather than complain do you have a solution? Do you thinking making rich people poorer makes poor people richer? How does increasing taxes cause poor people to show more initiative, drive and work harder? What exactly prevents a poor person from moving up in class, higher taxes? Does raising income taxes increase taxable income of a poor person? Solutions not more whining and complaining

    The role of the U.S. Gov't is to provide for the common defense. Do you have any idea what percentage of the budget is spent on the military? As for tax cuts allowing people to keep more of what they earn has led to record tax revenues for the states and local gov'ts so why is that a problem for you? Deficits aren't caused by tax cuts they are caused by spending increase and in particular social engineering

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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarLevant View Post
    Obama prevented a major financial holocaust, saved the auto industry. Repubs drove America into one huge ditch, and it was so deep it took one helluva struggle to get us out of it. For a financial collapse of that magnitude, there is only one other event that it could be compared to, and that was the crash of 1929, which also took a long time to climb out of. So, after Obama got us out of the gargantuan ditch repubs drove us into, they ( and you ) are what, you are now complaining he didn't get us out of the ditch fast enough, the ditch you guys drove us into in the first place?

    So, false comparisons aside, if your dog can do that, it should run for president.
    That certainly is your opinion not backed by anything other than leftwing media and spin. TARP recapitalized the banks and those were loans, taking over GM didn't save the auto industry it saved the GM Unions You are going to continue to believe what the left tells you and ignore history. What is it about liberalism that creates people like you and the state of California, the bluest state of them all a social disaster?

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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by pamak View Post
    Are you trying to defend freedom now or promote the freedom to be corrupt?
    Those who want privacy should stay home. Nobody forces them to be involved in politics! Politicians should be scrutinized. Transparency helps draining the swamp.
    You can scrutinize public records...not confidential records. That's why we have a difference in kinds of information. And that applies to every US citizen. A person who wants to be a politician should not have to give up lawful right that YOU enjoy. When you start to demand that some people give up their right to confidential records...and especially, when you demand the government hold different standards about who's records are confidential and who's are not...as I said, we are truly ****ed.
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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    I know, right? It’s gonna be entertaining. Get the beer and chips ready.
    Maui is one of my favorite places on earth, been there many times and earned the trip there through the capitalism system generated in this country. Found Hawaiians to be very welcoming people but also very dependent having everything provided for them. Without capitalism your state would die as it is dependent on tourism and that comes from people earning and keeping more of what they earn. What is sad is how poorly informed and educated you are regarding the U.S. economy, the Constitution, and lack of basic civics understanding. Trump isn't the problem your education on his authority and power is

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    Re: Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

    Quote Originally Posted by MauiMan View Post
    I know! Bush handed Obama a real s*** sandwich! What a mess he made!
    Amazing how the Democratic Congress that took power in January 2007 was incompetent and allowed Bush to destroy the economy OR was it the Democratic Plan to win the WH making that more important than doing their job in Congress?

    Obama didn't inherit a **** sandwich he inherited a Democratic Congress, TARP That bailed out the banks, had his stimulus bill passed almost day one and created the worst recovery in the history of the nation spending most of our money bailing out the unions and public servants. What you people do is look at results and claim this was the worst recession since the Great Depression because the results were so bad totally ignoring the Administration that created the policies that led to those results.

    Poor leadership and incompetence defines Obama and Hillary so now what you want to do is ignore that and simply attack Trump's tax returns as if they matter.

    I am really concerned about the mental health of the 24/7 Trump bashers if Mueller doesn't return the outcome they seem to what which is the total and complete destruction of Donald Trump due to tabloid politics

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