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Republicans Ask Democrats To Please Leave Trump's Tax Returns ALONE

Better yet, examine this: https://www.npr.org/2018/10/11/6566...-demand-and-get-trumps-tax-returns-here-s-how

If they are requested without due process, because they can request them but not subpoena them, DoJ may very well fight the request under 4th amendment protections and because it is a dead certainty they will be leaked if released, he has a strong argument that this is not investigatory or oversight but a way to politically undermine the President by spinning just about anything with partial releases and out of context reports.

And that may be the defense that protects him against having to provide them. That's actually totally fair if a federal court (or the supreme court) decides that's a reason not to let Congressmen see the records. But it is not 'mob rule' to ask.
 
And everyone knows a court has the right to demand evidence. Congress acts as a court in these cases. If Trump has a problem with it - and he will - then he can challenge it in court - and he will. That's due process. That's where it will be decided whether it is unreasonable to ask.

Only from the accuser and only when the accusser is making baseless accusations. Everyone knows that defendants are not required to prove innocence.

I have not accused the president of any particular crime, but it is well known he is suspected of them (and I share that suspicion) and these may not all be 'before he took office' or unrelated to his gaining the presidency. They may, in the eyes of Congress and better than half the country whom they represent, be the very 'high crimes and misdemeanors' that the constitution mentions as a condition for impeachment. The Tax returns may well be relevant evidence.

Supects are not required to provide evidence based on your accusation, either. You need a warrant or a subpenia, which would need to be issued by a judge, which can only be done based on evidence by the one making the accusation.

So don't pretend that simply asking is suddenly some vast overreach or 'mob rule'.

No, simply asking is merely and reach shows that people don't know what they are talking about.

It's like saying a regular suspected criminal should not even be investigated or charged. Preposterous. He may not be found guilty, but the authorities cannot simply shirk their duty and avoid looking into it altogether.

You have no cause; you have no merits to start an investigation; nor do you have any charges that will hold. You don't know what you are doing.
 
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You have no cause; you have no merits to start an investigation; nor do you have any charges that will hold. You don't know what you are doing.

Sorry are you addressing congress, the special counsel or me? Because I don't even get to 'cause'. I have not authority to investigate charge or prosecute because I am just a private citizen.

Congress on the other hand can investigate the president if it believes it has probable cause. Suspicions about how much his business ties may compromise him sounds reasonable, because such an example in the executive is until now, ahem...unpresidented.

And if they find nothing he's innocent. Now whether to split hairs over whether to call it 'they didn't prove guilt' or that 'Trump proved his innocence' is an irrelevant chicken or egg argument to me. If he's not guilty, he's not guilty and the evidence will show that.
 
Sorry are you addressing congress, the special counsel or me? Because I don't even get to 'cause'. I have not authority to investigate charge or prosecute because I am just a private citizen.

Congress on the other hand can investigate the president if it believes it has probable cause. Suspicions about how much his business ties may compromise him sounds reasonable, because such an example in the executive is until now, ahem...unpresidented.

And if they find nothing he's innocent. Now whether to split hairs over whether to call it 'they didn't prove guilt' or that 'Trump proved his innocence' is an irrelevant chicken or egg argument to me. If he's not guilty, he's not guilty and the evidence will show that.

You're not saying anything meaningful. There is no evidence to show because no one is required to show any evidence. We may have come full circle, but the point still stands: The President of the United States doesn't owe anything to anyone...
 
We may have come full circle, but the point still stands: The President of the United States doesn't owe anything to anyone...

That has a few holes. The President of the United States owes the people openness, transparency and honesty. For generations, other presidents and candidates have recognized this by, as a very relevant example, releasing their tax returns. No law commands it but they understood the weight of their office and responsibilities more or less obligates that much. And now we have one fighting tooth and nail to avoid it. Sounds like a man with something to hide. The one way we'll find out is to lay it all bare.

So let congress ask and see where it goes.
 
And that may be the defense that protects him against having to provide them. That's actually totally fair if a federal court (or the supreme court) decides that's a reason not to let Congressmen see the records. But it is not 'mob rule' to ask.

To see his records since becoming President, but before? They have no legal authority to them. Due process means they need to supply the crime they believe they will find and get a judge to sign off on it as a probable likelihood. My bet is Mueller already has such and Congress wants to leverage the investigation to release the tax records when I am willing to bet Mueller or the DoJ has them under seal.

It could even be argued to be prejudicial to the case Mueller is trying to build.
 
That has a few holes. The President of the United States owes the people openness, transparency and honesty. For generations, other presidents and candidates have recognized this by, as a very relevant example, releasing their tax returns. No law commands it but they understood the weight of their office and responsibilities more or less obligates that much. And now we have one fighting tooth and nail to avoid it. Sounds like a man with something to hide. The one way we'll find out is to lay it all bare.

So let congress ask and see where it goes.

This is how due process dies, with the assumption of guilt for protecting rights guaranteed by the constitution legislators are supposed to be upholding.
 
While a majority of Americans would like to see them made public.

If Trump has nothing to hide I don't know why his supporters are so rabidly opposed to him showing his tax returns, which every other presidential candidate in the last few decades has volunteered to do.

Go on, if he's innocent, if he hasn't taken foreign laundered cash, if he doesn't owe the Russians, if he hasn't broken the emoluments clause, let's prove what a decent guy he is and show everyone!

Seeing as we don't care at all, the only reason I'd give it a second through. Is because it would have a chance of shutting up all of the children who continually cry about it. Though that probably wouldn't stop any of you now would it?

Lies about this have already been destroyed, especially when Maddow decided to use possibly stolen documents to somehow prove something and ended up shooting herself in the foot. Yet the children just kept of crying and thrashing in the isles over this one damn issue.

If it were even capable of shutting the lot of you up. I'm more than willing to give it a try. But if that is the case, then every politician has to reveal just as much about their finances.
 
This is how due process dies, with the assumption of guilt for protecting rights guaranteed by the constitution legislators are supposed to be upholding.

All investigations begin with a suspicion of guilt or else why bother? 'Nope, looks like he's clean as a whistle, let's open an investigation...'

It is up to the courts to presume innocence thereafter and quite rightly so. But just the publicly available evidence on Trump is more than enough to warrant further scrutiny.

Or should the nine congressional investigations on Clinton's alleged culpability in Benghazi never have taken place? One will note she beat that rap so maybe Trump will too, if they look into it.
 
Are these Republicans just plain "crazy" or has Trump turned them out and made them "stump broken" to bend at his beck and call?

Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then they have the audacity to say there is no Russian Collusion, when people have been indicted in a continuing cycle of people associated with Trump, his campaign and indictments of Russians. We have video documentation of Trump pandering to Russia, and violating policy and process by meeting with Russian, and expelling from the room U.S. officials, and destroying transcripts of private meeting that had no American officials present. We've seen him pushing support and praise upon Russia and Putin, while on national media deprecating our own Intelligence Community. We'd seen hims stand on a campaign podium, inviting Russia to hack our systems in his fictional drama about some emails. While having destroyed servers that were once in the Trump Towers, along with the long list of atrocious acts that damage the dignity and integrity of America.

The Entire Republican Congress should be "Censured" ( censure carries a strong suggestion of authority and often refers to an official action, some Senators, who have aided and abieted this madness of Trump and the damages done to the office of the Presidency, its stature and its integrity, and the pandering and aims to protect the ethnic, emoluments and other violations that are overtly evident in the Trump Administration, should be followed up with: "Expulsion" !!!

Article I, Section 5, of the United States Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds, expel a member." They should be charged with subversive conduct against American, the American system and rules of governance, and being subversive in their acts and intents to damage the separation of powers in our government system. They should have the added charge of obstruction of justice, by contrived and contrite acts in process and manner, the same penalty that exist for crimes of "Felony Treason" should be laid upon them, laid out in terms that fit with American Law. i.e. ("an offense of the nature of treason as devising by overt act by Senate Legislature to compel changes of policy and to intimidate or overawe our Judicial System and Judicial Process and collude in obstructive acts and conduct of manner, dereliction of duty to fully investigate, such being an act to obstruct by omission of discovery and fact finding _ the penalty usually involving life imprisonment rather than the death penalty!!!)

Such Damage to An Entire Nation, It's Allied Relations, its Global Trade and Global Organizations who uphold the dignity and principles of Democracy around the world... is an egregious act of subversive conduct that carries the tonality of Treason against the United States Sovereignty the principles of its Democracy and the Stature as a Nation. .
Republicans have become a national embarrassment
 
Those who stand against the tax returns being presented, tells you what kind of people we are dealing with today in the Republican Ranks. They have no sense of honor, and they are void of the ability to face truths. The long history of such types has always presented these mentalities, as if they think they have a blanket cover of "white man privilege" to be and act as if they are above the law.
Well... not only is the liberal minded white men, not buying into this age old white man privilege game, neither are minorities and many women are no longer repressing themselves they will not be suppressed under the historical gaming of the white man privilege.

Trump's only stand is to say to "Americans", I'm a white man, and I have money".... how dare you ask me anything!!!! Maybe he's just unaware, that day and age of such white nationalist white man dominance, "is over" !!! and the remnants of it is being demolished day by day, the aware and upstanding for democracy and liberty for all.. is today, the stand of the liberal white man, women and minorities.. and they stand to protect the principles of Democracy, and to protect the values of the Constitution's system design of governance and the powers it serves in protecting the Nation.

He rode the Criminal Game and Train his whole life, we've not forgot about the damage he did to Atlantic City, Bankers, and everything he has ever touched, and the trail will lead to the exposure to the general public of the 'tie in's" to the "Panama Papers" documents, and certainly to this Panama "Money Laundering" Hotel...

Most of these minions talking trying to protect Trump, will do as they've always done, "back up to the stump" and do so with a smile, for anything the wealthy tell them, and especially if its told to them by a "white man", based on the conduct of how white nationalist of white male dominance by the wealthy has worked in America for centuries and decades. They are like the make up of the Confederacy War Fighters, (The poor and working poor, dedicated themselves to run through the woods and over hills and gully's chasing the opportunity to swallow a musket ball, all in aim and acts "to protect their wealthy serf masters"; they had only two care in the world... one is to protect the wealthy serf master, and two, the desperation of begging their wealthy serf master to continuing to giving them someone to look down upon. " ) They could care less about any atrocities their serf masters invoke or create... they could care less that they are fleeced in a continuing cycle, as long their serf masters promote the concept of them having someone to look down upon.

They shame this nation's dignity, insult the very Declaration of Independence, and they are void of the value basis of The Constitution's principles and divisions of powers, and they have no concern for the laws of the land.

We've seen them now in "full exposure" and no amount of "one liner bully put down commentary" can cover the truths that are evident. They had for centuries and decades, used "one liner snark put down commentary, as a "go to" habit pattern in how they pushed racist madness "one liner sarcastic put down comments" in the street in their lust to maintain segregation and their "one liner sarcastic put down comments to promote gender gender bias, upon any woman who did not submit herself to them, and acts as if she is his possession.

Trump filled our government with "Criminals".... and his ideals of making a Plutocracy of America, with the tonality of a system he is trying to make in the image and conduct of Russian Format.... is "OVERTLY EVIDENT"... The wealthy who back him, "worship only money" and they will back such a criminal with their dying breath... because of the "Savage Nature of their Mentality". They've "financially raped the nations and the people" in and through generations of savagery.

Its being "exposed" and we are witnessing what savages do, and like savages the conduct and demeanor of a savage, they fight like savages they are, in aim and intent to protect the right to engage savagery.

People only have to step back from the "drama spin and smoke blowers" and the big picture is made clear !!!!!

The people who love and respect the premise, principle and fact of the Declaration of Independence, and value the system and the basis of what the Constitution Stands to Administer and Support.... are not misled by drama and are not blinded to the malice that is taking place. As with life "Truth" will Prevail..... !!!
 
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That's over 1,000 such accusations now.

Accusations? What accusations are you talking about? I've seen zero accusations.

But there have been "over 1,000" bits of nonsensical spin, speculation, innuendo and hyperbole directed at Trump. Every single one of them has turned out to be a nothingburger that is echoed by the Trump hating media echo chamber.

This thread's OP is just another person repeating the nonsense. It's getting quite boring.
 
Another Trump hater who has chowed down on the multimedia nonsensical nothingburgers.

Dismissed.

A suggestion. Take off the blindfold. It's so easy to say trump hater or tds, it's much more difficult facing reality.
 
Right Wing media is still lying to you, when indictments continue to flow and rain down... and yet, you are still in denial..... you've achieved the status of being brainwashed into the submission of Serfdom..... "Congratulations" !!!!! :2wave:
 
A suggestion. Take off the blindfold. It's so easy to say trump hater or tds, it's much more difficult facing reality.

???

What reality? This reality?

"There "could" be stuff in Trump's tax returns that "suggest" that there is "disturbing" indications of a partnership between a man who became President of the US and the man who is the President of Russia. We believe this justifies a violation of the law. We believe this justifies the release of that man's private government financial records to the public. We believe this justifies the opposition Party using their Congressional power to obtain these records and then, against all notions of government responsibility to ensure a citizen's privacy, release those records to the public against that citizen's will."

Is THAT the reality you want me to face? Yes...I DO face that reality. I DO understand that the Trump haters would eagerly violate the law because there "could" be something in Trump's tax returns.
 
???

What reality? This reality?

"There "could" be stuff in Trump's tax returns that "suggest" that there is "disturbing" indications of a partnership between a man who became President of the US and the man who is the President of Russia. We believe this justifies a violation of the law. We believe this justifies the release of that man's private government financial records to the public. We believe this justifies the opposition Party using their Congressional power to obtain these records and then, against all notions of government responsibility to ensure a citizen's privacy, release those records to the public against that citizen's will."

Is THAT the reality you want me to face? Yes...I DO face that reality. I DO understand that the Trump haters would eagerly violate the law because there "could" be something in Trump's tax returns.

Clinton, remember him? He was a democratic president who was impeached for a blow job. The 'investigation' started because of whitewater, nothing found there to impeach him for so let's get him for lying to congress about a blowjob. McConnell after Obama was elected told his flock their job was to make Obama a one term president. Very bipartisan of him, no? Everyone around trump who is not a butt kisser is either gone or publicly disagrees with him. The folks on the right, like you, would have america believe trump is the best president ever when most of the evidence points to his being the worst. Take off the blindfold and face reality.
 
All investigations begin with a suspicion of guilt or else why bother? 'Nope, looks like he's clean as a whistle, let's open an investigation...'

It is up to the courts to presume innocence thereafter and quite rightly so. But just the publicly available evidence on Trump is more than enough to warrant further scrutiny.

Or should the nine congressional investigations on Clinton's alleged culpability in Benghazi never have taken place? One will note she beat that rap so maybe Trump will too, if they look into it.

FFS. Benghazi resulted in deaths. It needed investigation and the crime was possible negligence that resulted in those deaths.

Trump's prior taxes have no involvement in a crime. No democrats is even arguing such, they simply want to dig through them to see what they can find. Its retarded you want to compare those two things. As I said, since he became President? Sure. Before? No culpability and its just partisan ****ery.
 
Clinton, remember him? He was a democratic president who was impeached for a blow job. The 'investigation' started because of whitewater, nothing found there to impeach him for so let's get him for lying to congress about a blowjob. McConnell after Obama was elected told his flock their job was to make Obama a one term president. Very bipartisan of him, no? Everyone around trump who is not a butt kisser is either gone or publicly disagrees with him. The folks on the right, like you, would have america believe trump is the best president ever when most of the evidence points to his being the worst. Take off the blindfold and face reality.

Whataboutism gone wild.

Moving on...
 
It is not 'mob rule' for congress to respect the will of the people (its constituents) and demand transparency from the executive. If the president wants to fight it, they can go to court. He might win.

But let's not pretend it is some irrational spasm of anarchy for congress to make such a request.

He doesn't even have to do that. He can simply order the treasury secretary not to release the returns to Congress. If Congress doesn't like it, they can go to court.
 
Clinton, remember him? He was a democratic president who was impeached for a blow job. The 'investigation' started because of whitewater, nothing found there to impeach him for so let's get him for lying to congress about a blowjob. McConnell after Obama was elected told his flock their job was to make Obama a one term president. Very bipartisan of him, no? Everyone around trump who is not a butt kisser is either gone or publicly disagrees with him. The folks on the right, like you, would have america believe trump is the best president ever when most of the evidence points to his being the worst. Take off the blindfold and face reality.

He also took campaign donations from China. Did that make him a Chinese agent?
 
He also took campaign donations from China. Did that make him a Chinese agent?

Sir, I wrote you a nice private message. I will now show you the same respect you have shown me. You will not get any responses from me in the future. Feel free to respond if you wish. Have a good day.
 
Sir, I wrote you a nice private message. I will now show you the same respect you have shown me. You will not get any responses from me in the future. Feel free to respond if you wish. Have a good day.

You never sent me a private message. Stop lying. Don't get mad because I'm not kissing your ass.
 
He also took campaign donations from China. Did that make him a Chinese agent?

Sounds like someone is already prepared to excuse taking Russian money and lying about it. :lamo
 
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