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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You people are downright insane....A total rebuild of the United States in 10 years, complete with everything from free healthcare, to free housing, to free pizza on Tuesdays .....I heard better pitches from 8th graders running for class President....lol
    Actually, doing the same thing, year after year, and expecting different results, is what's TRULY INSANE.

    Regarding healthcare, health care isn't that hard an issue. Every advanced country besides the US has universal coverage, so we know how to do it: either government insurance or a highly regulated private system with mandates and subsidies that bring everyone in. In other words, we already know what a conservative approach to covering America looks like -- basically, it looks like Obamacare. The reason the GOP won't accept that is that IT DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET HEALTHCARE because the party doesn't want to pay the price -- the higher taxes and regulation needed to make coverage possible. But as resistance to Medicaid expansion shows, the party doesn't even want coverage expanded if someone else pays.

    The universal plans aren't insane -- it's the people who resist doing it are immoral.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Oh you would be so so wrong. I really wish I wasn’t bound by client confidentiality. The myths and perceptions that people like yourself parrot, I would love to confont you with reality.
    I have a pretty good grasp of how taxes, exemptions, deductions, and tax shelters work. I have run a business that looked at a lot of bottom lines of a lot of businesses and that also paid taxes. And nobody pays more taxes than they have to pay under the law. The very rich, including big business, have long sheltered their capital and their business income from the tax man as much as they can do. Which meant they moth balled it and/or off shored it, especially under the business unfriendly Obama Administration. Even many small businesses had mothballed their working capital and weren't risking it. And some off us just shut down as it wasn't profitable enough to take the risk and/or make the effort.

    Small business doesn't have the luxury of sheltering itself from taxes like the big boys do. And I read a lot about what is going on. I know that General Electric, for example, didn't pay much, sometimes paid nothing, in federal income/corporate taxes for a number of years because they were doing all or most of their profitable business in more business friendly climates overseas. Nevertheless they were engaged in business activity, both buying and hiring in the USA that did generate federal taxes.

    And now President Trump's policies have created a much more business friendly tax environment and is far less punitive to the rich so that many companies are re-establishing in the USA, and a lot of that working capital is being put back into the economy that has generated the amazing economic boom that we are seeing. Probably a lot of the very rich are still sheltering a lot or most of their wealth, but they are still buying stuff, paying property taxes, and in other ways contributing to the economy. And to go after them for more taxes than they already are paying will just drive them to spend most or all of their money in other places again.

    This table represents ALL the taxes, i.e. local, state, federal, not just income tax, paid by various income groups in the USA. Even though the very rich can and do shelter some or much or all of their income tax, they are still paying a lot in taxes.



    And Walter Williams, PhD economics, explains the cause and effect of President Trump's tax policies very well here:
    https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2...-income-taxes/

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    I can't believe anyone is even attempting a serious discussion of this. It looks more like something that would be put out by The Onion.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    You support a guy that makes fun of war heroes because he doesn't like what they say.
    We are talking about Don't know what it will Costio Cortez in this thread.
    Last edited by Mongidig; 02-08-19 at 12:57 PM.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Actually, doing the same thing, year after year, and expecting different results, is what's TRULY INSANE.

    Regarding healthcare, health care isn't that hard an issue. Every advanced country besides the US has universal coverage, so we know how to do it: either government insurance or a highly regulated private system with mandates and subsidies that bring everyone in. In other words, we already know what a conservative approach to covering America looks like -- basically, it looks like Obamacare. The reason the GOP won't accept that is that IT DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET HEALTHCARE because the party doesn't want to pay the price -- the higher taxes and regulation needed to make coverage possible. But as resistance to Medicaid expansion shows, the party doesn't even want coverage expanded if someone else pays.
    Let me ask you...With a "economic security guaranteed to everyone including those unable, or unwilling to work" .... Just who the hell is going to do all this work?
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Detractors thought the below was pie-in-the-sky too. Yet, we did it.

    Yeah, because the narrow and relatively inexpensive engineering feat of putting people on the Moon is exactly the same thing as completely restructuring an entire global economy by force.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    If we made 1600 buildings a day green we could have them all green by 2030. This assumes no more building in the next ten years.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Detractors thought the below was pie-in-the-sky too. Yet, we did it.

    Luckily that didn't involve tearing down an entire economy, spending many trillion dollars to revamp all buildings in the entire country, building enough railroads across the oceans to replace air travel and paying everyone unwilling to work enough to avoid going to medical school to cover the free healthcare.

    There is a difference between a challenging goal and bat crap crazy. If you can't see that, you will have a very frustrating life.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Actually, doing the same thing, year after year, and expecting different results, is what's TRULY INSANE.

    Regarding healthcare, health care isn't that hard an issue. Every advanced country besides the US has universal coverage, so we know how to do it: either government insurance or a highly regulated private system with mandates and subsidies that bring everyone in. In other words, we already know what a conservative approach to covering America looks like -- basically, it looks like Obamacare. The reason the GOP won't accept that is that IT DOESN'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET HEALTHCARE because the party doesn't want to pay the price -- the higher taxes and regulation needed to make coverage possible. But as resistance to Medicaid expansion shows, the party doesn't even want coverage expanded if someone else pays.

    The universal plans aren't insane -- it's the people who resist doing it are immoral.
    Was this to argue his point against insanity or prove it? I'm honestly unsure.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Detractors thought the below was pie-in-the-sky too. Yet, we did it.

    I'd say there was a touch more precision with the plan to go to the Moon.

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