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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Plans are stupid. Just say whatever and promise others will pay. Is she a politician or what?

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Unfortunately, there is no legislative framework here. This isn't some campaign promise about lowering taxes 3% on this group or fixing existing programs. This is crapping rainbows and mastering wizardry at Hogwarts. It's absolutely beyond insane. Read your own article. They can't even comprehend how she thinks any of it would be achieved, she just made some of the most absurd appeals to fantasy anyone in politics has ever said with a straight face and backed it up with nothing. Literally taking the wealth of all the top 5% (wealth, not even just income) wouldn't fund 0.01% of this dreamland.
    Our government framework itself is inherently broken and needs a major overhaul. I do this type of stuff for a living in the tech sector. I'm freaking tired of seeing measly 3% tax deals (loaded w/ lobbyist pork) nobody ever reads. The outline is now out there. If passed we'll have decades to figure it out and that's 100X better than relying on lobbyists b/c people like her and people like me who know that our system is broken will be elected in order to help figure it out and straighten out the mess.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Welcome to the new age of politics, everybody:

    Although it's just an outline it's a huge step forward to move the conversation in the right direction. Yes there are some problems, but I agree with about 90% of this proposal and if all you do is nit-pick it, then I assume you agree with 90% of it too!



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    If she just gets some of this passed and conventional thinking says she just might pull it off. She'll be on equal playing field with the President of the United States in terms of legislative deals. Trump's comprehensive tax reform plan is the only thing even remotely comparable to this that he's done or thought of.
    If she truly wanted to reduce emissions and understood the problem, show would be advocating
    streamlining solar grid attachment laws to something good for both the homeowner and the electrical utility,
    as well as advocating development of power to liquid fuel plans.
    https://www.greencarcongress.com/power-to-liquids/
    A path to increased solar, will cause massive seasonal electricity surpluses, which could be converted to carbon neutral fuels for existing demands.
    No new vehicles, no new service stations needed, fast and very direct results, by turning a problem we know is coming, into a solution.

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    I'm looking forward to watching the liberal tears again after Trump wins in 2020. Whacko's like AOC will make sure that happens.

    The Democrats better cut these people off before it spreads too far.

    Proposals like these look pretty on paper until you realize the cost and the unintended consequences. Then there is the not so good history of Socialism.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Our government framework itself is inherently broken and needs a major overhaul. I do this type of stuff for a living in the tech sector. I'm freaking tired of seeing measly 3% tax deals (loaded w/ lobbyist pork) nobody ever reads. The outline is now out there. If passed we'll have decades to figure it out and that's 100X better than relying on lobbyists b/c people like her and people like me who know that our system is broken will be elected in order to help figure it out and straighten out the mess.
    Okay, well, you enjoy your trip to disney land. Two quick points, though, this never gets taken seriously by anyone who could possibly pass it and you don't have decades when she sets a deadline of all buildings in the country of 340 million people to be upgraded to carbon neutral by 2030.

    Anyway, if this floats your boat, more power to ya. I prefer to focus on things that involve sanity.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    He's trying lol... What do you want him to do? Just because he is getting opposition from Democrats at every turn, doesn't mean he should stop trying...

    Trying and failing due to opposition is a lot better then never trying to execute a campaign promise at all. I don't know what I would expect otherwise. I also have no idea what he should have done differently in order to build the wall.
    Which is why I said if AOC gets any of this passed she'll be on level playing field w/the President. He hasn't gotten a dime from Democrats. Will AOC get some Republican votes on this? They seem to like her tax plan.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    As the article states, this is a non-binding resolution, it’s only the first step towards what should be significant further legislation on each point.

    Paying back our climate debt is going to take aggressive actions, which is exactly what this is. If you want to be angry at someone/thing, blame the destructive irresponsible actions of corporations and our lack of will to regulate throughout the last 100 years. We have taken a loan out on the climate and now it’s left to future generations to pay it back.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    Okay, well, you enjoy your trip to disney land. Two quick points, though, this never gets taken seriously by anyone who could possibly pass it and you don't have decades when she sets a deadline of all buildings in the country of 340 million people to be upgraded to carbon neutral by 2030.

    Anyway, if this floats your boat, more power to ya. I prefer to focus on things that involve sanity.
    Then I expect to see you at the next #impeachthemf rally.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Welcome to the new age of politics, everybody:

    Although it's just an outline it's a huge step forward to move the conversation in the right direction. Yes there are some problems, but I agree with about 90% of this proposal and if all you do is nit-pick it, then I assume you agree with 90% of it too!



    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline


    If she just gets some of this passed and conventional thinking says she just might pull it off. She'll be on equal playing field with the President of the United States in terms of legislative deals. Trump's comprehensive tax reform plan is the only thing even remotely comparable to this that he's done or thought of.
    Let's just start with those guaranteed (federal?) jobs with a family sustaining wage, paid vacations and retirement security. Once that little nugget is in place then much of the rest becomes unnecessary. Of course, the lack of a private sector to tax might be a tad of a problem but I'm sure AOC can work around that minor detail.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    "upgrading all existing buildings" in the country for energy efficiency;
    working with farmers "to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions... as much as is technologically feasible" (while supporting family farms and promoting "universal access to healthy food");
    "Overhauling transportation systems" to reduce emissions — including expanding electric car manufacturing, building "charging stations everywhere," and expanding high-speed rail to "a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary";
    A guaranteed job "with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations and retirement security" for every American;
    "High-quality health care" for all Americans.

    All in 10 years?


    I cant fault her enthusiasm, but I do question her math......seems she will come up trillions short.

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