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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Damn, they want reperations, too.

    (E) to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous communities, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth.

    https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/...ng-capitalism/
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    You people are my problem. You’re a major component of what’s wrong with this country.
    It's more important to be morally right than factually correct - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gosh. That's odd. She didn't mention the need to cut the military in half, and confiscate privately-owned gasoline automobiles. Wonder why she left that section out.
    Totalitarian governments require a large armed forces.
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    You people are my problem. You’re a major component of what’s wrong with this country.
    It's more important to be morally right than factually correct - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Welcome to the new age of politics, everybody:

    Although it's just an outline it's a huge step forward to move the conversation in the right direction. Yes there are some problems, but I agree with about 90% of this proposal and if all you do is nit-pick it, then I assume you agree with 90% of it too!



    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline


    If she just gets some of this passed and conventional thinking says she just might pull it off. She'll be on equal playing field with the President of the United States in terms of legislative deals. Trump's comprehensive tax reform plan is the only thing even remotely comparable to this that he's done or thought of.
    The Green New Deal Outline read like a propaganda pamphlet, “A Redder Shade of Green” (https://climateandcapitalism.com/201...intersections/). In the article, “Angus points out that socialists have to learn to relate to these movements to bring about the change we need and that this can be part of the root towards fundamental social change. As he says, if we can’t stop an oil pipeline, we won’t overthrow capitalism.”

    Heil Green New Deal! Like the watermelon, green on the outside, red on the inside.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    The problem with your wishful thinking crap is that we've been having wishful thinking for the past 100 years in the hopes that rich people will invest in our national infrastructure. We actually got so bad we elected a rich guy who wanted to build a wall and he can't even do that properly! If there's legislative framework for upgrading infrastructure and fixing the transit system. I'm all for it.
    Rich people definitely do invest in infrastructure. There is an entire segment in Investment Banking called "Project Finance & Infastructure" (look it up).

    Sounds like you're just butt hurt that no one will waste the money to invest in stupid ****...
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Welcome to the new age of politics, everybody:

    Although it's just an outline it's a huge step forward to move the conversation in the right direction. Yes there are some problems, but I agree with about 90% of this proposal and if all you do is nit-pick it, then I assume you agree with 90% of it too!



    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline


    If she just gets some of this passed and conventional thinking says she just might pull it off. She'll be on equal playing field with the President of the United States in terms of legislative deals. Trump's comprehensive tax reform plan is the only thing even remotely comparable to this that he's done or thought of.
    Alright, lets start from the top here. Going by CBECS standards, there was around 5.6 million commercial buildings (alone) in 2012. With over 87 billion square feet of foot space.
    https://www.eia.gov/consumption/comm...12/buildstock/
    Taking into account that this doesn't outright cover residential, or industrial buildings and after taking a rough estimate on how much it would take to actually take to completely make a normal home more energy efficient.
    We're talking a price tag of several hundred billion alone. That will most likely go up by around 12-15% over a few years and that's around my mid range estimation. Because there are plenty of people living in the mid-west, or other flyover states. Still living in homes that were originally built in the late 30s.

    A rail way covering almost the entire country, wouldn't normally be an insane proposition. Seeing as rough estimate has it costing around 1-2 million per mile of rail and the united states is something like 2.7k miles in width. (googles 2,680) not accounting for vertical length. Though the issue wouldn't be the cost. It would be the time necessary to complete such a project. Seeing as my best example would be England, as they have a rather explnsive rail system and they've been building it since the early, to late 80s.

    We can touch on the rest after these.
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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why is anyone taking this woman seriously?
    Because the Dems think she will deliver the youth and/or the dumb vote? After all 50% of US citizens are below average intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Alright, lets start from the top here. Going by CBECS standards, there was around 5.6 million commercial buildings (alone) in 2012. With over 87 billion square feet of foot space.
    https://www.eia.gov/consumption/comm...12/buildstock/
    Taking into account that this doesn't outright cover residential, or industrial buildings and after taking a rough estimate on how much it would take to actually take to completely make a normal home more energy efficient.
    We're talking a price tag of several hundred billion alone. That will most likely go up by around 12-15% over a few years and that's around my mid range estimation. Because there are plenty of people living in the mid-west, or other flyover states. Still living in homes that were originally built in the late 30s.

    A rail way covering almost the entire country, wouldn't normally be an insane proposition. Seeing as rough estimate has it costing around 1-2 million per mile of rail and the united states is something like 2.7k miles in width. (googles 2,680) not accounting for vertical length. Though the issue wouldn't be the cost. It would be the time necessary to complete such a project. Seeing as my best example would be England, as they have a rather explnsive rail system and they've been building it since the early, to late 80s.

    We can touch on the rest after these.
    They want to build a railway across the country but they don't want to build a wall on the southern border.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Please tell us how that happens....

    The man barely won a Russian aided election in which he carried Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan by less than 80,000 votes, mostly economically diseffected independents and democrats willing to give him a chance. He has done nothing to deliver on his empty promises to those people. Have you looked at the 2018 elections, particularly just how blue Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan were in 2018?

    Meanwhile 53% of Americans think Trump is unfit for office (not doing a bad job, but they believe he can't do the job)

    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2567
    https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=2593

    and 57% said they absolutely would not vote for him in 2020 (not probably not, absolutely not)....

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ne...ars-2019-01-17

    Trump has done nothing to expand his base. It has been doing nothing but constricting, as evidenced by fact that he can not drive his approval any higher than 44%.

    Sorry, but the facts tell us that a Trump reelection is anything other than a fantasy on your part. I am sure others would like to hear you make the logical case for his reelection. We will be awaiting.

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    2) The Democratic party is self destructing before our very eyes....Warren, AOC, Schiff, Virginia, Russian/Trump collusion officially debunked etc.

    3) Do we really want to talk about polls?

    4) The Dems have gone too far too the left. Socialism will be the buzz word in 2020. Socialism....Not good!

    5) The wall will get built and the results will show it's value.

    6) 88% of independents loved the SOTU.

    7) The left's hypocrisy will be revealed regarding the wall and racism and sexual assault.

    8) Betting against Trump is like betting against the Patriots. Have you not learned your lessen?

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrump View Post
    Welcome to the new age of politics, everybody:

    Although it's just an outline it's a huge step forward to move the conversation in the right direction. Yes there are some problems, but I agree with about 90% of this proposal and if all you do is nit-pick it, then I assume you agree with 90% of it too!



    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline


    If she just gets some of this passed and conventional thinking says she just might pull it off. She'll be on equal playing field with the President of the United States in terms of legislative deals. Trump's comprehensive tax reform plan is the only thing even remotely comparable to this that he's done or thought of.
    Spoken by someone who is totally clueless on our U.S. economy and total lack of understanding as to the costs associated with these kinds of proposals. Supporters obviously aren't taxpayers thus have no problem raising taxes on others to create that liberal utopia that the previous groups of liberals could never create.

    What makes anyone believe that her proposals are viable, would be effective, and wouldn't create increases in the size of gov't thus actually bankrupt us?

    Seems to me personal responsibility doesn't exist in the country today and expectations that the ultra rich can fund programs like these is actual stupidity.

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    Re: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Releases Green New Deal Outline

    Quote Originally Posted by Sweden View Post
    Because the Dems think she will deliver the youth and/or the dumb vote? After all 50% of US citizens are below average intelligence.
    The Dems are all about identity politics and not about voting the best person in. This is terrible for the country. Obama won because he is black(sort of). Hillary was the candidate because she's a women(sort of). You are absolutely correct about the dumb vote. look at the type of people who vote Democrat. I wouldn't be so quick to brag about Hillary winning the popular vote. I'd prefer to get votes from quality people.

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