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['W: 998][W:371]Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

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What will be the response of liberals and liberal media if the Smollett incident proves to be a hoax? Will they uncharacteristically admit they jumped on the race, gay hate bait? I doubt it.
 
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Plus Ultra said:
It looks pretty bad, there are reliable sources reporting the Nigerians told police where they bought the red caps (not MAGA) and the rope, said Smollet paid them $3,500 for the stunt and they were owed another $500 upon their return, that they actually rehearsed with Smollet.

Falsely reporting a crime in Chicago is a felony punished with 1-3 years in jail and/or $25k fine.

If this was something planned and even rehearsed it is worse, there's premeditation, and there's likely more evidence. I wonder about Smollet's manager, whether he was in on the plan, anticipated the call or called as scheduled, if his claim to have heard "this is MAGA country" was something also rehearsed.

MSM gets another black eye (they've been getting lots of those lately). To me it seems obvious MSM needs to boost its integrity and not jump in to run with stories just because they confirm their narrative.

There is a deeper problem I don't think MSM can consider; that Trump's supporters are not that "basket of deplorables", there are intelligent reasons to support the president.
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If the alleged assault was 'enhanced' as a hate crime, than shouldn't a false report of a hate crime also be enhanced?
 
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Integrityrespec said:
What will be the response of liberals and liberal media if the Smollett incident proves to be a hoax? Will they uncharacteristically admit they jumped on the race, gay hate bait? I doubt it.
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My guess and hope is that this will become a cautionary tale.

From the Chicago CBS affiliate:

CHICAGO (CBS) — Jussie Smollett paid two brothers to stage an attack against him, directed them to buy items used in the alleged assault and actually rehearsed it with them, sources say.

...The brothers told detectives the three men rehearsed the attack days prior to it happening. Jussie Smollett Case: Brothers Questioned By Police Were Paid $3,500 To Stage Attack, Which Was Rehearsed Days Before, Sources Say – CBS Chicago
 
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pragmatic said:
If Smollett wasn't getting cut from the show before this event happened......the odds are pretty good that he may get written off now.

Sort of a curious irony.
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I've no idea what the showrunners will decide, but, yes, this would be ironic. What saddens me is thinking that if this was a hoax, Smollett never even thought about the ugly turmoil he would foment, only about calling attention to himself.
 
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noonereal said:
and this is what Trump does daily.

Now be a man and condemn TRump.
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Please tell me where trump has said we should attack or accosta black people?
If you refer to trumps speaches where he sites illegal immigration as a problem well he is
right it is an issue.

You point to something that trump said that other people should go out and harm and beat up people based on their
skin color i will be the first to condemn it.

so i will be waiting.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Seems like you can't wait to prove everyday here that you don't know what you're talking about. There's no ****ing way they would ever have let those two men walk out entirely scot free if they had had anything to do whatsoever with staging a hoax in order to generate a false police report of a crime. TMZ reported that detectives found the men by looking at ride-sharing history records from the night of the attack. In light of all the false reports being generated I don't blame him for obtaining counsel. History has shown that he would be foolish to rely solely on the good will of the Chicago police and courts.
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They would if they flipped (one of y'alls favorite words lately) on Smollet.

This is what a conspiracy (another of y'alls favorit words) looks like; a conspiracy to commit a crime, that is. An actual crime, not a made up crime.

When conspirators rat out the ring leader, the cooperating conspirators walk, in a lot of cases.
 
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dcsports said:
If the alleged assault was 'enhanced' as a hate crime, than shouldn't a false report of a hate crime also be enhanced?
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Indeed it should, the proper term is "aggravated" (not enhanced). Proper prosecution of all crimes requires considering aggravating and attenuating factors and falsely ascribing a racial or homophobic motive would be an aggravating factor.
 
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ludin said:
So what happens when it is the person that does it to themselves?
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Fraud. Abuse of public resources. Despicable. Hopefully illegal in the jurisdiction. Or was that a rhetorical question?
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Wait. You think black people can't commit hate crimes on other black people? Typical of you.

I never believed this story. I also never disbelieved this story. You see, I'm not a sorry piece of **** who calls women, non-straight people, non-white people, and non-Christian people liars every time they report a crime.

MAGA? I never said anything about MAGA.

Meme? I hope you got some sleep last night.

Lmao? Sure, let's be teenagers.
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neither do i wait for facts unlike you before rushing to judgement unless you didn't read the post you made in this thread.
also you went on another one of your tangents accusing people of all sorts of stuff simply because
they pointed out that his story didn't add up.

So far it looks like this guy setup a stunt and now it is coming to light.
at the very least he should be arrested for filing a false police report.

by all means now it does look like he was lying not that you care.
 
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nota bene said:
I've no idea what the showrunners will decide, but, yes, this would be ironic. What saddens me is thinking that if this was a hoax, Smollett never even thought about the ugly turmoil he would foment, only about calling attention to himself.
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I believe they previously denied any intent to write him off, glowingly described the importance of his role and contribution to the show and stood firmly behind his hoax.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
I never believed this story. I also never disbelieved this story. You see, I'm not a sorry piece of **** who calls women, non-straight people, non-white people, and non-Christian people liars every time they report a crime.

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Calling :bs
You were in disbelief that people dared to have reservations, doubts as to how this assault really happened and not only that you chastised them for their bigotry and racism, and their refusal to go along with leftist group think.

MateoMtnClimber said:
I could not agree more. In fact, I just logged on today to read this thread. It was so low on the list that I thought no one had posted about the story yet. Then I scanned the far more popular threads above it. So many people have warped priorities and refuse to do a simple, right thing like condemn an alleged horrific hate crime. It's so disgusting.
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MateoMtnClimber said:
What a foul proposition. What is there to disagree about? A gay, black man was called racist and homophobic slurs, beaten in the street, and had bleach poured on him and a noose wrapped around his neck. I haven't seen the other thread NeverTrump mentioned, but I am thoroughly revolted that it exists. There is nothing to debate here among decent human beings.
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Quote Originally Posted by Atomic Kid View Post

Seems like you can't wait to prove everyday here that you don't know what you're talking about. There's no ****ing way they would ever have let those two men walk out entirely scot free if they had had anything to do whatsoever with staging a hoax in order to generate a false police report of a crime. TMZ reported that detectives found the men by looking at ride-sharing history records from the night of the attack. In light of all the false reports being generated I don't blame him for obtaining counsel. History has shown that he would be foolish to rely solely on the good will of the Chicago police and courts.
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MateoMtnClimber said:
It's a shame when an alleged victim has to protect himself from law enforcement and public opinion, but such is life. Smollett would be an idiot to not retain legal counsel; and he should be super careful, as he has been, about providing personal information to anyone.
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Somlett had legal council already but he has now hired on of the best Criminal lawyers in the country Michael Cohen's lawyer Michael Monico. That several steps beyond hiring legal council which he already had. Its probably the only smart thing Somlett has done thus far.

I told Atomic Kid that the brothers walked because the gave evidence against Somllett. He laughed at me.


All that said, he is aware that public opinion, which is irrelevant, is turning against him. Can he provide any other information? Were his phone records satisfactory to the investigation? (I don't care about redactions. TMZ and DP don't need to know to whom a celebrity sends calls and text messages. That's just assholes obfuscating.) What was the nature of the capture and release of the two men last week? I really hope Smollett is not a liar, but I'm beginning to have doubts. More importantly, hate crime and discrimination are more alive and prevalent in the US now than at any time I can remember. We need to focus on that.
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Personally I do not blame him for not wanting to give his phone to police. He should have helped them though by giving signed permission for the phone company to release his phone logs though. That is if he want to help their investigation. But I agree his photos etc should be out of bounds. Unfortunately for him the police will now probably get a warrant to examine the entire phone for evidence of conspiracy.
 
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ludin said:
Please tell me where trump has said we should attack or accosta black people?
If you refer to trumps speaches where he sites illegal immigration as a problem well he is
right it is an issue.

You point to something that trump said that other people should go out and harm and beat up people based on their
skin color i will be the first to condemn it.

so i will be waiting.
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You are kidding, right?
 
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trixare4kids said:
Why do people like you always resort to what "White, straight, Christians" need to realize?
Maybe you ought to rethink things before posting this kind of :bs in the future...
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Why don't you explore the aggravations between the majority and the minorities in societies? Then reconsider why I said "white, straight Christians". I have little hope that you will comprehend it, but maybe you know someone who can explain my posts to you.
 
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noonereal said:
You are kidding, right?
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then please post something. I am waiting.
also post the entire thing in context.

if you can't then you are simply being dishonest and not worth dealing with.
 
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SLC said:
Rhino are strange animals
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RHINO's have very tough skin and a deadly horn, don't ever forget his.

I became a RHINO because the party went stupid not because I changed my republican beliefs.

Trumpets are not republicans. Republicans such as I would balance the damned budget.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Why do people like you always resort to what "White, straight, Christians" need to realize?
Maybe you ought to rethink things before posting this kind of :bs in the future...
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he can't. which is why he is going full scale when it was pointed out that it was smollett that set this up.
i will continue waiting for what the other reports come back but this looks like another false flag setup.

i mean it worked on him and others like him.
there were already out there screaming for peoples heads.
 
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tosca1 said:
:lamo

I think his aim is more for his career gain.
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He is a sick bitch, like TRump. Willing to do anything for attention.

No morals, no concern for truth.

2 peas in a pod.
 
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trixare4kids said:
What delicious irony. You piled on with the O/P without even knowing the facts of this case, and you think you know what thread you're in. :lamo :doh
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Hey, trix, I know you use the word "irony" about 500 times a day. You might want to search its meaning because I have never seen you use it appropriately. Furthermore, you literally had no idea what thread you were in; and we have the posts to prove it, even though you tried to edit them later. That has never happened to me. :lol:
 
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Mongidig said:
Doesn't this dude usually pepper the thread with posts? What's different this time?
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What dude? I can't remember the context of your post.
 
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trixare4kids said:
More like you attempted to roast thread posters who didn't believe a word of his story... You really should review your earlier posts and own them.
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I always own everything I say. Seriously, stop ****ing with me.
 
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