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['W: 998][W:371]Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

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MateoMtnClimber said:
That, of course, you cannot prove, but your bias doesn't surprise anyone. I, of course, can prove that your reaction to an alleged hate crime resulting in physical injury was to make fourth grade jokes about sandwiches and repeatedly deride the victim. Foul.
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It’s actually rather easy to prove. The only time the alleged attack could have happened was in the 60 seconds he was out of frame, but there’s a very big problem with that. Smollett is the only person seen going into and coming out of that area. There was no one else and that’s why the only “persons of interest” are two people walking in the opposite direction on the other side of the street 20 minutes before the alleged assault took place.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
That, of course, you cannot prove, but your bias doesn't surprise anyone. I, of course, can prove that your reaction to an alleged hate crime resulting in physical injury was to make fourth grade jokes about sandwiches and repeatedly deride the victim. Foul.
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Since when are you arbiter of what can be stated in jest?

Are you now a self appointed 'Comedy Policeman'?
 
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Napoleon said:
It’s actually rather easy to prove. The only time the alleged attack could have happened was in the 60 seconds he was out of frame, but there’s a very big problem with that. Smollett is the only person seen going into and coming out of that area. There was no one else and that’s why the only “persons of interest” are two people walking in the opposite direction on the other side of the street 20 minutes before the alleged assault took place.
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that is the issue i have. I have no doubt he was attacked but the question is by who.
the police have searched all the cameras in that area and the only person they see going in and
out of that area is smollett.

other video they have looked at do not show anyone or any cars or anything like that leaving the area.
If he was attacked it was by someone that was already there and knew that he was going to be there and left
in a way that was off camera.

also so far the substance wasn't bleach. if it was (if it wasn't frozen from being out in that cold temp)
it would have burned him pretty bad.

he would have had bleach burns or something.
police need to investigate further as to what happened.
 
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Napoleon said:
It’s actually rather easy to prove. The only time the alleged attack could have happened was in the 60 seconds he was out of frame, but there’s a very big problem with that. Smollett is the only person seen going into and coming out of that area. There was no one else and that’s why the only “persons of interest” are two people walking in the opposite direction on the other side of the street 20 minutes before the alleged assault took place.
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Where did you see that Smollett was captured on video during that entire time frame except for sixty seconds?
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Where did you see that Smollett was captured on video during that entire time frame except for sixty seconds?
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The CPD. The only unaccounted for time on camera was 60 seconds where he goes out of frame and comes back into frame with the “noose.”
 
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Napoleon said:
The CPD. The only unaccounted for time on camera was 60 seconds where he goes out of frame and comes back into frame with the “noose.”
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I haven't heard that. Do you have a source?
 
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Napoleon said:
It’s actually rather easy to prove. The only time the alleged attack could have happened was in the 60 seconds he was out of frame, but there’s a very big problem with that. Smollett is the only person seen going into and coming out of that area. There was no one else and that’s why the only “persons of interest” are two people walking in the opposite direction on the other side of the street 20 minutes before the alleged assault took place.
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And somehow, he "fought back hard" and managed to save his Subway sandwich.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Much better. Thank you.

I understand the hesitation to believe Smollett, but I equate it to slut shaming. I just can't disbelieve his story unless I know it's not true. Victims deserve a presumption of honesty, but I am very aware that many DP posters disagree.

He didn't go to Subway after the attack. I don't know why he didn't remove the noose. As for the phone:

"The sources say cops 'informally asked' Jussie if he would surrender his phone ... to verify he was talking to his manager on his cell when he was attacked. We're told he felt 'uncomfortable' doing that and declined, but he was never asked about phone records. A Chicago police official had said Jussie refused to turn over both the phone and records. We're told Smollett has already said he will provide the records, and is in the process of gathering them."

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw0x7wOBV9ZuCkSNTMyW1OUl&ust=1549203436023485

Now what say you?
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I believed he had gone to the subway after, because that was what was originally reported. Though I do now see that even that was edited and even the last two tweets about it have been deleted.

I will argue that not even a victim should be given such a strong presumption. We've seen such things abused in the past few years, more than a few times and it turned out more than jut a little bad. Smollet was last seen moving off camera and within the span of two minutes, comes back onto camera with the "noose" though we know it was more like a cord. Hung on his neck.

We've seen far too many of these faked hate crimes creeping up over the years and while it may be possible that he was actually attacked. It is far on the nose to actually be a racially motivated attack. He had to change his story about what happened after TMZ ran the whole "MAGA" country line and the police asked him a second time.

For me, he is just doing too many things that raise a red flag. For me to outright believe him on merit alone.
 
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Oborosen said:
I believed he had gone to the subway after, because that was what was originally reported. Though I do now see that even that was edited and even the last two tweets about it have been deleted.

I will argue that not even a victim should be given such a strong presumption. We've seen such things abused in the past few years, more than a few times and it turned out more than jut a little bad. Smollet was last seen moving off camera and within the span of two minutes, comes back onto camera with the "noose" though we know it was more like a cord. Hung on his neck.

We've seen far too many of these faked hate crimes creeping up over the years and while it may be possible that he was actually attacked. It is far on the nose to actually be a racially motivated attack. He had to change his story about what happened after TMZ ran the whole "MAGA" country line and the police asked him a second time.

For me, he is just doing too many things that raise a red flag. For me to outright believe him on merit alone.
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"Hands up, Don't shoot" comes to mind.
 
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Nap said:
"Hands up, Don't shoot" comes to mind.
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Yes, that would be as fine an example as any to give actually.
 
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Oborosen said:
Yes, that would be as fine an example as any to give actually.
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I think that is one of the most racially divisive lies of the last decade. It is crazy to think about how much damage that lie has done to race relations in this country. It makes you wonder just how different things would be had that not happened.
 
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Nap said:
I think that is one of the most racially divisive lies of the last decade. It is crazy to think about how much damage that lie has done to race relations in this country. It makes you wonder just how different things would be had that not happened.
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Not to mention the lives' of uniformed officers cut short by BLMs own radicalized followers.
 
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Oborosen said:
I believed he had gone to the subway after, because that was what was originally reported. Though I do now see that even that was edited and even the last two tweets about it have been deleted.

I will argue that not even a victim should be given such a strong presumption. We've seen such things abused in the past few years, more than a few times and it turned out more than jut a little bad. Smollet was last seen moving off camera and within the span of two minutes, comes back onto camera with the "noose" though we know it was more like a cord. Hung on his neck.

We've seen far too many of these faked hate crimes creeping up over the years and while it may be possible that he was actually attacked. It is far on the nose to actually be a racially motivated attack. He had to change his story about what happened after TMZ ran the whole "MAGA" country line and the police asked him a second time.

For me, he is just doing too many things that raise a red flag. For me to outright believe him on merit alone.
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That's not unreasonable. I just don't agree with it. I'm not suggesting we start arresting people or take any other action except investigate based on a report of a crime. That's what I mean by providing a presumption of honesty and is a far cry from disbelieving an alleged victim, which I consider to be cruel.

You mentioned that Smollett was only outside of camera view for two minutes. Another poster said one minute. I can't find anything to substantiate either statement. Do you happen to have a source? In any event, I know from experience that a person's ass can be whooped in 120 seconds, especially if it is a two-on-one situation.

I honestly don't understand how you can imagine the assault happening and still deny that it was or could have been racially motivated. Don't forget that it was also based on Smollett's sexual orientation. The race issue is not synonymous with MAGA; and the latter has nearly derailed this thread several times. Whether or not the MAGA country detail is true, which does not particularly matter to me right now, hate crimes happen and they must never be tolerated.

I understand your hesitation to believe Smollett. Again, it's not unreasonable. The more global consideration to this incident should be, in my opinion, how and why discrimination still endangers many people and how we can prevent or minimize it.
 
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Oborosen said:
Not to mention the lives' of uniformed officers cut short by BLMs own radicalized followers.
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Police officers do not have a monopoly on being murdered without any justification.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
I haven't heard that. Do you have a source?
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Good article.



"They say video shows Smollett walking across the street from two possible persons of interest, whose photos were released late Wednesday to the public. In the video, Smollett walks out of frame for about a minute and reappears on another camera "wearing a rope like a neck tie," police said."


https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...ie-smollett-attack-video-shows-actor-60750500
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Police officers do not have a monopoly on being murdered without any justification.
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Yes but a person that would murder an armed officer of the law is an enormous danger to the unarmed public.
 
Re: Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

Does is seem odd that there is no evidence of the attack on Jussie Smollett? He redacted his and his managers phone records and the Chicago police cannot find any video from cameras around the downtown Chicago area, one of the most videoed cities in America. I'm not saying it did not happen but Smollett seems to be hindering an investigation rather than helping it. Why you say make this claim if it is not true. Great question.
 
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Something is not right with this.

I have this feeling that a whole bunch of people are going to wind up looking like idiots by the time this is over.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Something is not right with this.

I have this feeling that a whole bunch of people are going to wind up looking like idiots by the time this is over.
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Disagree.

The story has faded from the headlines. Whether the the event was fabricated or not it will simply lose momentum and disappear into the internet ether.

While occasionally still getting cited as "an example of racism rampant in our society".....
 
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It was reported he was tearful and frustrated in his latest interview, upset people didn't believe him, said if he had described his assailants as Mexican or Muslim his story would be accepted. He has a point, what I feel is most unbelievable is that one could find two white guys in MAGA caps in a neighborhood with a high level of black homosexuals. If the MAGA cap is like a kkk hood, it would be dangerous to go around wearing one in any black neighborhood.
 
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Good grief...this thread still up? The rest of America has already written this clown off as a lying, triggered, hoaxter...lol

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Not only were they wearing MAGA hats they just happened to be carrying around some bleach and a rope. Why does Smollet hide his and his managers text messages? Whole thing is a little strange.
 
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pragmatic said:
Disagree.

The story has faded from the headlines. Whether the the event was fabricated or not it will simply lose momentum and disappear into the internet ether.

While occasionally still getting cited as "an example of racism rampant in our society".....
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He STAGED it. It was all a hoax. He did it because he was being written off the show.
 
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