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['W: 998][W:371]Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

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MateoMtnClimber said:
Do you want the man's ****ing hospital records? The evidence that you and people like you conveniently ignore when crimes against women and other minorities occur is, in this case, Smollett saying that it happened. He reported it to the police. He received medical attention for it. To believe that a famous man with everything to lose would make up a story about a hate crime as grotesque as the one he described is willful denial for disgusting reasons and nothing more.
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Tawana Brawley (Spelling) made up a fine story of racial hatred...

It happens.

Trust. But verify.
 
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buck said:
But.. Some of them are.

Is it wrong to call someone a liar when they lied, even if they lied about something as personal, wrong and important as the above?
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I can't teach you about human decency. It's not wrong to call a liar a liar; and no one said anything remotely like that. It's wrong to doubt assault victims before they even check out of the hospital because the underlying narrative upsets one's political sensibilities.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Do you want the man's ****ing hospital records? The evidence that you and people like you conveniently ignore when crimes against women and other minorities occur is, in this case, Smollett saying that it happened. He reported it to the police. He received medical attention for it. To believe that a famous man with everything to lose would make up a story about a hate crime as grotesque as the one he described is willful denial for disgusting reasons and nothing more.
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No, I want some evidence that whoever beat him up were white supremacists Trump supporters and not just a couple of gang members trying to rob the guy

Chicago isn't necessary " Trump Country ", who walks around with Bleach and a rope and his attacker's had means he cannot offer up a detailed description


He also didn't inform Chicago PD that they yelled " This is Trump Country " when he was first interviewed. Chicago PD had to call him back and ask if that was said because that's what was being reported

Chicago isn't Trump County but it's plagued with black on black Gand violence, so spare me your manufactured and purely politically motivated concern over violence against minorites because it happens everyday in Chicago.

I and a guarantee millions of other people will wait for confirmation whether you like it or not. We've been burned too many times to extend an ounce of credibility to the media
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
I can't teach you about human decency. It's not wrong to call a liar a liar; and no one said anything remotely like that. It's wrong to doubt assault victims before they even check out of the hospital because the underlying narrative upsets one's political sensibilities.
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You are right about one thing. You are not the one to teach about human decency. You also did say that it's wrong to call a liar a liar because you think it's wrong to believe in innocent until proven guilty if women claim to be assaulted. Wanting evidence or even a consistent and coherent story is just evil.

It would also be hard to complain before he checked out of the hospital. They said his scratches were minor and he had suffered no harm and released him almost immediately. Luckily there is still no sign of chemical use, bleach or otherwise. No container or physical damage. And the string around his neck wasn't too bad or he would have taken it off in less than an hour.

Look, I get that you want to feel morally superior, but you should probably wait to find out what the moral of the story it. The thing he added much later about MAGA country does fit awfully well with his activism against Trump.
 
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Fenton said:
No, I want some evidence that whoever beat him up were white supremacists Trump supporters and not just a couple of gang members trying to rob the guy

Chicago isn't necessary " Trump Country ", who walks around with Bleach and a rope and his attacker's had means he cannot offer up a detailed description


He also didn't inform Chicago PD that they yelled " This is Trump Country " when he was first interviewed. Chicago PD had to call him back and ask if that was said because that's what was being reported

Chicago isn't Trump County but it's plagued with black on black Gand violence, so spare me your manufactured and purely politically motivated concern over violence against minorites because it happens everyday in Chicago.

I and a guarantee millions of other people will wait for confirmation whether you like it or not. We've been burned too many times to extend an ounce of credibility to the media
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Why are you talking about Trump at all? I haven't mentioned him once. I realize there was the thing about MAGA, but I frankly don't know from where that came and I believe it has already been rescinded.

I don't care who assaulted Smollett. Hell, it could be a couple of gay, black men. Whoever did it needs to be condemned and if adjudicated guilty, imprisoned. The attack is bad enough, but if it was in fact a hate crime, then all good people need to be afraid of what that means for our society as a whole. Why is that so impossible for you to acknowledge?
 
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Keridan said:
You are right about one thing. You are not the one to teach about human decency. You also did say that it's wrong to call a liar a liar because you think it's wrong to believe in innocent until proven guilty if women claim to be assaulted. Wanting evidence or even a consistent and coherent story is just evil.

It would also be hard to complain before he checked out of the hospital. They said his scratches were minor and he had suffered no harm and released him almost immediately. Luckily there is still no sign of chemical use, bleach or otherwise. No container or physical damage. And the string around his neck wasn't too bad or he would have taken it off in less than an hour.

Look, I get that you want to feel morally superior, but you should probably wait to find out what the moral of the story it. The thing he added much later about MAGA country does fit awfully well with his activism against Trump.
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Listen. I know this is a complicated mental exercise for you, but try to separate the alleged victim from the unnamed, unidentified, unknown alleged perpetrators. You're babbling about innocent until proven guilty when I have made a very narrow, very focused argument that physical violence, most especially when it is committed based on the racial, gender, or sexuality identity of the victim, is evil and must never be tolerated.

Nothing about that should be controversial for any of you. You're spinning a bunch of bull**** about evidence and Trump because you've been tricked into focusing, as always, on things that don't matter as much the fact that hate crimes happen and they never should - whether or not you believe this particular hate crime happened, which, to me, is inconsequential between you'll deny it happened even if and when it's proved. We've been down this same path many, many times in recent history.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Listen. I know this is a complicated mental exercise for you, but try to separate the alleged victim from the unnamed, unidentified, unknown alleged perpetrators. You're babbling about innocent until proven guilty when I have made a very narrow, very focused argument that physical violence, most especially when it is committed based on the racial, gender, or sexuality identity of the victim, is evil and must never be tolerated.

Nothing about that should be controversial for any of you. You're spinning a bunch of bull**** about evidence and Trump because you've been tricked into focusing, as always, on things that don't matter as much the fact that hate crimes happen and they never should - whether or not you believe this particular hate crime happened, which, to me, is inconsequential between you'll deny it happened even if and when it's proved. We've been down this same path many, many times in recent history.
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It's adorable that you want to put the troubles following logic on me. Listen, I had a thread about this recently. Some of the good points were that when you realize someone has no interest in logical discussion, you are better off dropping it. You are all over the map desperately trying to feel superior and as cute as it is, it's not benefiting anything. Good luck with that and all...
 
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It was too bizarre and sketchy to be believed when first reported and as the facts emerge it’s looking more and more like a lie.
 
Re: Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

MateoMtnClimber said:
Listen. I know this is a complicated mental exercise for you, but try to separate the alleged victim from the unnamed, unidentified, unknown alleged perpetrators. You're babbling about innocent until proven guilty when I have made a very narrow, very focused argument that physical violence, most especially when it is committed based on the racial, gender, or sexuality identity of the victim, is evil and must never be tolerated.

Nothing about that should be controversial for any of you. You're spinning a bunch of bull**** about evidence and Trump because you've been tricked into focusing, as always, on things that don't matter as much the fact that hate crimes happen and they never should - whether or not you believe this particular hate crime happened, which, to me, is inconsequential between you'll deny it happened even if and when it's proved. We've been down this same path many, many times in recent history.
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Let me try something I read about in a book....


Your feelings of anger, frustration and despair are a perfectly valid response to a situation such as the one described by Smollett. It would be inhuman of someone to hear such a story and not have a strong emotional response. Likewise, your feelings of frustration regarding the responses to your comments are also valid. It's a horrible thing to be forced into a life where you aren't understood and your personhood is generally dismissed, especially by people to whom you are clearly intellectually and emotionally superior. I just want to let you know that, through this difficult time, I fully support you and your responses to these unrequested stimuli.
 
Re: Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime

As I posted in the other thread on the same subject

To recap:

TMZ initially claimed Smollett was physically assaulted by two white males shouting "this is MAGA country" and anti-gay and racial slurs, and that they doused him with bleach and put a noose around his neck.

Chicago Police initially denied the "MAGA" claim based on their initial interview. Smollett only added that detail in a second interview, after it had already been widely reported.

Police spokesmen also said that since the assailants were wearing ski masks and gloves, their race and gender are unknown to Smollett.

When police officers arrived at the residence, Smollett was still wearing the rope around his neck 45 minutes after the incident, was reluctant to provide a statement, and asked for their body cameras to be turned off.

Police have been unable to obtain any video evidence of the assailants or their vehicle.

Smollett clearly has a long-standing axe to grind with President Trump.

Given recent incidents, it would seem prudent to allow law enforcement authorities to investigate the matter before leaping to conclusions or pushing highly charged political claims.

But this incident has already been politicized, and it's unlikely that prudence and caution are going to prevail until more facts are known.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/shifting-stories-cloud-claims-of-alleged-hate-crime-attack-targeting-empire-actor-jussie-smollett/



It should also be noted that Smollett has expressed animus toward President Trump going back years before he announced his campaign for the presidency:

I think someone should kick Donald Trumps ass... That's all.
— Jussie Smollett (@JussieSmollett) December 15, 2011

Earlier this month, he tweeted out this racially tinged invective targeting Trump:

Shut the hell up you bitch ass nigga. You will continue to run this country further into the ground and risk lives every time you breathe. You’re not the president. Just a dumpster full of hate. FOH. Sick to my stomach that literal **** currently represents America to the world. https://t.co/qoNWllmZIm
— Jussie Smollett (@JussieSmollett) January 12, 2018
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Your post is disgusting and subhuman. I bet you call female victims of sexual assault lying sluts too.
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I'm sorry but I'm grown up and no longer believe in unicorns and fairy tales.


If you want to fly off the handle over some fantastic story, it's not like that would be a surprise.
 
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And I'll predict that IF they do not find any corroborating evidence, the police will just drop it. If they tried to cast aspersions on the story, they will be accused of homophobia and racism.

The story will remain as truth to many, as it confirms their beliefs of current times, unless they find video evidence of him doing it to himself. And even if video evidence does show he did it to himself, many will still believe the original story anyway.
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Why are you talking about Trump at all? I haven't mentioned him once. I realize there was the thing about MAGA, but I frankly don't know from where that came and I believe it has already been rescinded.

I don't care who assaulted Smollett. Hell, it could be a couple of gay, black men. Whoever did it needs to be condemned and if adjudicated guilty, imprisoned. The attack is bad enough, but if it was in fact a hate crime, then all good people need to be afraid of what that means for our society as a whole. Why is that so impossible for you to acknowledge?
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It is interesting that this one case of assault seems so much more important to you than the 500+ murders which occur in Chicago every year.
 
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Common Sense 1 said:
As I posted in the other thread on the same subject

To recap:

TMZ initially claimed Smollett was physically assaulted by two white males shouting "this is MAGA country" and anti-gay and racial slurs, and that they doused him with bleach and put a noose around his neck.

Chicago Police initially denied the "MAGA" claim based on their initial interview. Smollett only added that detail in a second interview, after it had already been widely reported.

Police spokesmen also said that since the assailants were wearing ski masks and gloves, their race and gender are unknown to Smollett.

When police officers arrived at the residence, Smollett was still wearing the rope around his neck 45 minutes after the incident, was reluctant to provide a statement, and asked for their body cameras to be turned off.

Police have been unable to obtain any video evidence of the assailants or their vehicle.

Smollett clearly has a long-standing axe to grind with President Trump.

Given recent incidents, it would seem prudent to allow law enforcement authorities to investigate the matter before leaping to conclusions or pushing highly charged political claims.

But this incident has already been politicized, and it's unlikely that prudence and caution are going to prevail until more facts are known.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/shifting-stories-cloud-claims-of-alleged-hate-crime-attack-targeting-empire-actor-jussie-smollett/



It should also be noted that Smollett has expressed animus toward President Trump going back years before he announced his campaign for the presidency:

I think someone should kick Donald Trumps ass... That's all.
— Jussie Smollett (@JussieSmollett) December 15, 2011

Earlier this month, he tweeted out this racially tinged invective targeting Trump:

Shut the hell up you bitch ass nigga. You will continue to run this country further into the ground and risk lives every time you breathe. You’re not the president. Just a dumpster full of hate. FOH. Sick to my stomach that literal **** currently represents America to the world. https://t.co/qoNWllmZIm
— Jussie Smollett (@JussieSmollett) January 12, 2018
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Predictable.


And just like the Covington incident, there's probably going to be a whole bunch of butthurt liberals who are going to pull their hair our and sob uncontrollably that another one of their bs narratives fell apart.


It's just so sad and pathetic what lengths the Left will go to to try and hurt Trump.
 
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Fenton said:
So waiting for evidence or confirmation is ignoring discrimination ?

People are right to be suspicious giving all of the times these incidents have turned out to be hoaxes.
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Since when has that ever stopped you from posting?
 
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dobieg said:
It is interesting that this one case of assault seems so much more important to you than the 500+ murders which occur in Chicago every year.
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To be fair here, those folks are dead and not convenient to a narrative! This man is both black and gay and he had scratches on his face! He was in the hospital for almost an hour (presumably only some of that was the waiting room) as they tried to find evidence of the "mystery chemical"! This is serious business! He could have bled whole drops!
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Your post is disgusting and subhuman. I bet you call female victims of sexual assault lying sluts too.
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I tried again to look at it from your viewpoint by putting on my, "biggest weenie in the universe" hat but I still fail to understand why you're getting so emotional over some fantastic story of assault when you never seem to so much as raise an eyebrow to the rampant black on black murders that occur daily in this same city.


Why would it be any worse to you if an assault or murder was black on black, white on black or black on white? Does the color of ones skin dictate the severity of the crime? Does their sexual orientation?
 
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Keridan said:
To be fair here, those folks are dead and not convenient to a narrative! This man is both black and gay and he had scratches on his face! He was in the hospital for almost an hour (presumably only some of that was the waiting room) as they tried to find evidence of the "mystery chemical"! This is serious business! He could have bled whole drops!
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lol

I love that type of snarky humor.
 
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homophobic slurs," according to police.
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I've said this in other forums and I'll say it here...It makes sense to stay in the closet.
This is a good example in coming out and receiving mental and physical backlashes as a result. If you stay in,no harm will come. If you decided to come out you are asking for it.
No matter rich or poor...stay safe,stay in.
 
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Keridan said:
To be fair here, those folks are dead and not convenient to a narrative! This man is both black and gay and he had scratches on his face! He was in the hospital for almost an hour (presumably only some of that was the waiting room) as they tried to find evidence of the "mystery chemical"! This is serious business! He could have bled whole drops!
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And lets not forget! Not only is he a “hate crime” victim..he’s also a victim of gross medical incompetence for being released from the hospital still covered in an unknown chemical substance and with a noose still around his neck! What a night!
 
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PTF said:
I've said this in other forums and I'll say it here...It makes sense to stay in the closet.
This is a good example in coming out and receiving mental and physical backlashes as a result. If you stay in,no harm will come. If you decided to come out you are asking for it.
No matter rich or poor...stay safe,stay in.
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Why should anyone have to hide who they are.


Seems simply un-American.
 
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SLC said:
I hope they catch the offenders and throw the book at them. I hope he has a speedy recovery. I'm wishing him the best.
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Starting to look like the offender is... Jussie Smollett.
 
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Napoleon said:
And lets not forget! Not only is he a “hate crime” victim..he’s also a victim of gross medical incompetence for being released from the hospital still covered in an unknown chemical substance and with a noose still around his neck! What a night!
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I'm waiting for the inevitable bs apology he'll be forced to give shortly followed by even more slobbering all over him by liberals who will somehow still make him out as the victim.
 
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