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CNN corrects Native American elder and teens in MAGA hats story.

SheWolf said:
Yes, what is your theory that their leaders want them to be shocked? I suppose the offense and revulsion these kids could feel in such situations, pulls them closer to their community and belief structure. They are young, and the group think in them is pretty obvious... they are literally all wearing MAGA gear... but at some point, they are going to smacked in the face once they leave their bubble.

I mean, really, a lot of those religious schools are known to fire pregnant women for not being married, or they fire somebody because of sexual orientation.

Their environment is so sheltered and controlled. Kids like that go ****ing crazy in college.
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I don't know so much that their chaperones WANT them to be shocked but they do KNOW that they will be shocked.
And I daresay that more often than not, the kids don't always know what they're about to be exposed to.
A couple of them here or there might but I doubt most grasp what they're about to witness.

And yes, from personal firsthand family experience, I know how a sheltered kid reacts once they leave the safety of the family bubble and go off on their own. Trust me when I tell that it is often even worse if the kid grew up home schooled in a strict religious environment.
Two nephews of mine are in the ground because after turning eighteen, they went out and just had to "taste it all" the moment they were freed from the ultra-strict upbringing they'd had.
I don't necessarily fault their parents, I don't think their parents realized how that dynamic plays out.
I felt it in my gut and I dreaded it, because I'd already seen small signs of just how ready those kids were to go radical even when they were still at home.
They were good kids, but the pressure on them was enormous.
 
Acadia said:
What a load. The students weren't there to tour the Smithsonians or National Mall, which in and of itself is educational and a great destination. They were there for the March for Life, not to do some anthropological study of the usual crackpots who inhabit the Mall. They happened to cross paths with a few rabidly racist and bigoted black men, and a radical Leftist Native American activist, and an unforeseen confluence of events happened, went viral, got highly cherry-picked, edited and misrepresented by the MSM and caused an avalanche of hate from the Left.
Seriously, go pedal that somewhere else.

And yes, I'm currently in D.C. regularly, not last century like yourself.
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You just confirmed every single thing I just said. That's hilarious. Thank you.
 
nota bene said:
Here's hoping this group is as small as Westboro (only about 50 people).
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The way these groups work is, more often than not, they have an outrageous public message, and they seek out places where it is likely that they will be confronted or better yet, BARRED from doing their thing.

If the former, and it gets too dicey, like if it results in an assault, their attorneys sue for damages.
If the latter, the attorneys sue because the group had its civil rights violated.
For the latter they prefer to set up camp in a location where they know some deep pockets exist.

Westboro made big pots of money suing towns and cities that forbade them from protesting.
It helps that most of the Phelps Family had law degrees.

I suspect the Israelites do it much the same way.
 
Bodhisattva said:
CNN Sucks...
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I have given up hope on CNN. I thought, for a long time that they were journalism's last stand (using the term journalist's lightly for cable news outlets) . I thought their non-stop reporting on Trump was more about Trump continually supplying, juicy, non-stop news to report than a blatant bias such as MSNBC or FOXNews.

Now, I think they are no better than FOXNews or MSNBC.

I have all but stopped watching CNN. I quit watching FOX and MSNBC a looooong time ago. Now, CNN can be added to the journalism hall of shame right beside FOX and MSNBC.

And I bet I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I bet their ratings start showing that too.

****ing sell outs.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You don't comprehend what I wrote.
Maybe you can share where I blamed "the victims".
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I comprehended it just fine. You're blaming the group of kids, or the organizers of the trip, for this happening. Sorry, they are allowed to go to D.C. to do their March for Life activity and they are allowed to meet up at a centralized location to get on the buses. They are allowed to do all this without someone like you coming along and claiming they just did all of this specifically to stir the pot. Further, Convington Catholic is in Kentucky, so they wouldn't have the intimate knowledge of these types of things as someone like you who knew that area well.

You got caught. Just own up to it.
 
SheWolf said:
Talking about reality smacking somebody in the face, is not advocating physical violence... really. Did you misread what I said, or are you doing this intentionally just to me nuance?
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j-mac said:
So, you didn't post this:

"they are literally all wearing MAGA gear... but at some point, they are going to smacked in the face once they leave their bubble."

I don't see the word 'reality' in there....What I see is a supposed adult fantasizing about smacking a kid in the face because they are wearing a hat...Because you know, you can't spell 'hate' without 'hat'....
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That's a very uncharitable interpretation of what she wrote. It's a common turn of phrase that's metaphorical and, at worse, missed using a word that would make it clearer, but it's not needed. Now, if your point is to highlight her own hypocrisy in interpreting everything related to this incident as the worst way possible against these kids as an object lesson, then have at it. It totally fits and you have just as good of a case calling her out for advocating for violence against these kids as she does against them for behaving inappropriately.
 
apdst said:
They won't be happy until someone gets hurt.
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Won't be long. They are angry and frustrated and all these fake stories not satisfying their blood lust... I have a sick feeling that Covington's little town in KY is going to be ginned up as the next Ferguson.
Wait for it.
 
Fishking said:
I comprehended it just fine. You're blaming the group of kids, or the organizers of the trip, for this happening. Sorry, they are allowed to go to D.C. to do their March for Life activity and they are allowed to meet up at a centralized location to get on the buses. They are allowed to do all this without someone like you coming along and claiming they just did all of this specifically to stir the pot. Further, Convington Catholic is in Kentucky, so they wouldn't have the intimate knowledge of these types of things as someone like you who knew that area well.

You got caught. Just own up to it.
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Or their skin color is wrong or their religious beliefs are wrong or their support of a current President is wrong or their gender is wrong and all those things should inform them to keep away from Washington, D.C., where parents and schools alike have been taking their school-age children without question. Until now.

How many groups have I seen around the mall? So many. Every color. Every age. Each one deserving to be there and see what their tax dollars have made and allowed for.

That this right of passage for so many has been sullied and turned into a sick, viral game of proxy hate is a sad reflection of where our country is right now.
 
Fishking said:
That's a very uncharitable interpretation of what she wrote. It's a common turn of phrase that's metaphorical and, at worse, missed using a word that would make it clearer, but it's not needed. Now, if your point is to highlight her own hypocrisy in interpreting everything related to this incident as the worst way possible against these kids as an object lesson, then have at it. It totally fits and you have just as good of a case calling her out for advocating for violence against these kids as she does against them for behaving inappropriately.
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I am only showing the charity they show me in here....But, hyperbole aside, now I don't think that she was really advocating harm come to the young man, but there are plenty of people out there that are fellow travelers with her point of view that indeed, are....Including someone in here when this story first broke....
 
Living in proximity to Cincinnati will not give you a sense of Washington, D.C. or what you might see or confront there.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Did you watch the same video (the one you posted) as the rest of us did?

Your response seems more confirmation bias than actual confirmation of your narrative.

The kids were reacting in various ways to the beat of the drums; some laughing, some looking around to see what was up, some clapping in time, and yes there were some using the "Tomahawk Chop" which remains popular in many places with either sports clubs with "Indian" names, or fans of those clubs from around the nation. Most weren't doing anything at all except watching.

They were bored from standing around waiting for a bus on a cold day, and they were having fun participating in distractions.

You seem to see what that silly Gillette SJW "Toxic Masculinity" video (which is definitely going to cost them business) want everyone to see, that "boys being boys" in and of itself is a "very bad thing."

Well I saw boys engaged in pep rally chants, clapping, singing along, doing tomahawk chops, etc., but not one single incident of "hate speech," verbal or physical abuse, intentional or unintentional racism, nor anything other than enjoying a show.

What you choose to see is your prerogative. :coffeepap:
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Yeah ok. I am sure that's why the lady said they were acting like a mob, and other witnesses told media they felt unsafe in that crowd. But yeah, you're probably right. They are just a bunch of boys being boys. :2razz:
 
j-mac said:
So, you didn't post this:

"they are literally all wearing MAGA gear... but at some point, they are going to smacked in the face once they leave their bubble."

I don't see the word 'reality' in there....What I see is a supposed adult fantasizing about smacking a kid in the face because they are wearing a hat...Because you know, you can't spell 'hate' without 'hat'....
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I am talking about reality smacking them, once they leave their bubble. I think it's obvious. That's why I said, kids lime that later go nuts in college.
 
SheWolf said:
Yeah ok. I am sure that's why the lady said they were acting like a mob, and other witnesses told media they felt unsafe in that crowd. But yeah, you're probably right. They are just a bunch of boys being boys. :2razz:
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Almost all protest can be considered mobs. If you are surrounded or a MINORITY among a particular group of people that you do NOT agree with it can be intimidating. THATS ALL Interpretation and opinion.

DID any KID break the law. DID a any kid from the small videos say a Bigoted statement or racial statement. THE HAT has absolutely NO bearing or validates the immature actions done by the boy.

The Elder Indian went in the middle of the protest KNOWING that he was a minority and stated he knew they were angry at OTHERS. YET he still went in there.... The boys actions ARE in no where justified. BUT that also does not justify, that just because he WORE a MAGA hat thats how all MAGA supports are and agree with. THE FIRST and foremost is ALWAYS the individual action..... That he stood there like a smart ass kid... Thats it and an old man was banging on a drum

NOTHING to do with racism, or Political affiliation. False Narrative is FALSE narrative is FAKE NEWS.... Call it what it is.
 
Captain America said:
I have given up hope on CNN. I thought, for a long time that they were journalism's last stand (using the term journalist's lightly for cable news outlets) . I thought their non-stop reporting on Trump was more about Trump continually supplying, juicy, non-stop news to report than a blatant bias such as MSNBC or FOXNews.

Now, I think they are no better than FOXNews or MSNBC.

I have all but stopped watching CNN. I quit watching FOX and MSNBC a looooong time ago. Now, CNN can be added to the journalism hall of shame right beside FOX and MSNBC.

And I bet I'm not the only one who thinks this way. I bet their ratings start showing that too.

****ing sell outs.
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I have nothing good to say about network news, except it's probably better than getting news from FB, social media, and Russian bots
 
Deuce said:
You can't talk about greater context without actually watching the video that presents it.
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That's why I did watch the video of the whole thing before talking about it.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't defend the media, but people like you go on and on about MSM and fail to recognize the partisan guilt of Fox News and other forms of media you gobble up non stop.
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Fox News has very rarely, if ever, taken something wholly out of its full context and made it into something it wasn't. They might show footage that doesn't include the whole context, but they don't do it in a way that changes the information if they did include the whole context. And when they get it wrong, they do fess up and correct the wrong information.
 
Fishking said:
I comprehended it just fine. You're blaming the group of kids, or the organizers of the trip, for this happening. Sorry, they are allowed to go to D.C. to do their March for Life activity and they are allowed to meet up at a centralized location to get on the buses. They are allowed to do all this without someone like you coming along and claiming they just did all of this specifically to stir the pot. Further, Convington Catholic is in Kentucky, so they wouldn't have the intimate knowledge of these types of things as someone like you who knew that area well.

You got caught. Just own up to it.
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Actually, he is allowed to make all the claims he is making. He can start a conspiracy theory blog and post videos claiming the founding fathers are lizard people living inside the Earth, waiting join up with the Nazis and Jesus for Armageddon. Just because he is saying stuff you don't like and it's making you uncomfortable, doesn't change the fact that all your posting is your own opinion.

If you don't like it, leave the thread. You have choices, but you don't have a right to not be offended
 
Fishking said:
That's a very uncharitable interpretation of what she wrote. It's a common turn of phrase that's metaphorical and, at worse, missed using a word that would make it clearer, but it's not needed. Now, if your point is to highlight her own hypocrisy in interpreting everything related to this incident as the worst way possible against these kids as an object lesson, then have at it. It totally fits and you have just as good of a case calling her out for advocating for violence against these kids as she does against them for behaving inappropriately.
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I don't advocate violence... :roll:

I also don't hate people. That's just right wing projection
 
j-mac said:
I am only showing the charity they show me in here....But, hyperbole aside, now I don't think that she was really advocating harm come to the young man, but there are plenty of people out there that are fellow travelers with her point of view that indeed, are....Including someone in here when this story first broke....
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Yup...100% fair to do with how they're accusing the kids or other posters here of such horrible wrongdoing.
 
SheWolf said:
I am talking about reality smacking them, once they leave their bubble. I think it's obvious. That's why I said, kids lime that later go nuts in college.
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If you watch the video the Black Isrealites LITERALLY call ALL the white kids school shooters and then scream THIS MAN IS OUR LEADER!!! and then send the Native American leader into the kids. I swear to God its actually in the video.
 
Exactice said:
Almost all protest can be considered mobs. If you are surrounded or a MINORITY among a particular group of people that you do NOT agree with it can be intimidating. THATS ALL Interpretation and opinion.

DID any KID break the law. DID a any kid from the small videos say a Bigoted statement or racial statement. THE HAT has absolutely NO bearing or validates the immature actions done by the boy.

The Elder Indian went in the middle of the protest KNOWING that he was a minority and stated he knew they were angry at OTHERS. YET he still went in there.... The boys actions ARE in no where justified. BUT that also does not justify, that just because he WORE a MAGA hat thats how all MAGA supports are and agree with. THE FIRST and foremost is ALWAYS the individual action..... That he stood there like a smart ass kid... Thats it and an old man was banging on a drum

NOTHING to do with racism, or Political affiliation. False Narrative is FALSE narrative is FAKE NEWS.... Call it what it is.
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Nobody broke laws. After stating that fact, you went on to attack on party in the whole thing.

Trumpers are trying to project hate and violence on me. My posts have been pretty clear that I stand for two of tge three groups in this to come reconciliation and forgives.

The American public is giving them all death threats.

This entire story encapsulates how screwed up, sick, and tribal America is. I literally talked of forgiveness many times with KingFish, but he accuses me of hate. That says it all right there, and he is a Trump supporter as far as I know.

America is becoming deranged and pathetic, and it's not all the media's fault
 
Everybody calm down. There was no media conspiracy left or right here, just a three-way clusterfest incident, probably impossible to report on without offending two of the parties. We are like the Indian (Asian Indian) parable of the blind men feeling the elephant, each describing a different animal or thing.

And all of us have acted like jerks from time to time.
 
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I havent read through this entire thread, but has any liberal actually stepped forward to admit that they were were wrong about these kids and to apologize?
 
SheWolf said:
Actually, he is allowed to make all the claims he is making. He can start a conspiracy theory blog and post videos claiming the founding fathers are lizard people living inside the Earth, waiting join up with the Nazis and Jesus for Armageddon. Just because he is saying stuff you don't like and it's making you uncomfortable, doesn't change the fact that all your posting is your own opinion.

If you don't like it, leave the thread. You have choices, but you don't have a right to not be offended
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Ah...just when I thought you were coming around to being more reasonable you post this steaming pile of trash. I never said he wasn't allowed to post w/e nonsense he wants. I'm 100% fine with that. I'm just pointing out he's wrong. Flat out wrong. It's OK though...he's allowed to be continually wrong, just like you are. It doesn't make me uncomfortable. It makes me feel two things, wonder at how someone could be so divorced from reality or frustrated knowing that ya'll actually know you're wrong but continuing regardless because you've invested too much into your position and aren't mature enough to admit you're wrong.
 
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