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[W:21:647]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25962532/maga-teens-indigenous-peoples-march-veteran/



Tons of the hate for those that are from different culture
Has the level of hate like this increased in the US?
Also he is a Vietnam Vet.

Video

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs0m92rHOkG/

This story has now been recanted and the boys did nothing wrong.
it was other people mostly left wing extremists that started the nonsense with them calling them everything under the sun.
so will you issue an apology or continue with your horrible and frankly incorrect claims of hate.

the only people hating were the ones calling them names.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

A culture of hate entitlement and victimization. It's exactly what one would expect.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

:roll: the guy with a drum is his own actor, not a force of nature. He's the one who decided to walk into the crowd and try to take their space. A kid stands still and makes no gesture while smiling, and you declare the guy who initiated that as the good guy, and him the bad guy.


Pathetic.

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Respect your elders is a lesson he has learned
Read my other posts, I also fault the elder.
Stealing space in a public place??
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

A culture of hate entitlement and victimization. It's exactly what one would expect.

You completely changed what I posted. Why?
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

You completely changed what I posted. Why?

I quoted the thread title exactly as it is and explained why.

Were we not supposed to speak to the subject in the thread cap?
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25962532/maga-teens-indigenous-peoples-march-veteran/



Tons of the hate for those that are from different culture
Has the level of hate like this increased in the US?
Also he is a Vietnam Vet.

Video

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bs0m92rHOkG/



It appears that today, hate is the fuel driving America.

50 plus years ago I was arrested for standing still on the edge of a peace protest in Anne Arbor, Michigan. They took us all a few miles away and let us out, knowing it would be dark by the time we walked back. It was done in the name of "national security"

It was the fourth time I had been arrested for standing still, but to be truthful I did have long hair, bell bottoms - illegal I guess in those days.

The police who arrested us hated us and were rather generous with their batons and language - I believe it was where I first heard the term "pansy, faggot, Commie" The hate was palpable. I took a hit across the back when I ask what was my crime?

Today, what I see is that things have gotten much worse, far MORE tribal and while there might not be any "pansy, faggot, commie" shouting, there are more tribes with deeper divisions being driven and magnified, bred and multiplied across social media.

I look at the incident now such a great controversy and the smug, superior teen taking heat for it all, when the culprits where his buddies and their chopping motions and sneering laughter. But no matter, the lines where drawn before the video was shot, wrong or right, black or white, no compromise.....

I am a Christian, but hate organized religion. In my world the Christian way would be to assist the elder in going to where he was headed...then the video would have been that of a right wing Christian boy coming to the aid of an elder.....a gesture negating all else and poking a burnt stick in the group shouting bad words.

Instead, in Trumps America you have more more blemish on your society, one more "wall" of division, one more wound to bleed; added to that somec resentments, grudges, throw in some lies about immigrants and borders and what you have is a simmering war. Consider it on, while we wait for the shooting to start
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

I quoted the thread title exactly as it is and explained why.

Were we not supposed to speak to the subject in the thread cap?

I am required to copy a title without amending it. Those are the BN rules. You amended my post that is BS
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

I am required to copy a title without amending it. Those are the BN rules. You amended my post that is BS

What on earth are you talking about. I copied it exactly as it was, is.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

That's another question I have. Why not just move out of his way? This isn't the first time, and it won't be the last time, in that young man's life that moving out of someone's way is the right thing to do.

If he was so terrified about having his organs harvested, as I was told by cpwill, why do what he did? Why smirk in some old guy's face?

It doesn't appear that the kid was scared of anything, or intimidated, or felt abused. I'm not saying he was wrong. I'm saying that he didn't make an effort to be non-confrontational either. I did catch a few minutes of the news and the videos and I don't understand the tomahawk chops at all. Were they trying to be cute? Funny? Clever? That was pretty obnoxious.

Meh. This is a weird story all around.

Why do you continue to misrepresent what I said, despite me having corrected you on multiple occasions and then at length? Kinda seems like, given your accusations in this thread that others were exaggerating or being dishonest, you'd go to some lengths not to come off similarly.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

It appears that today, hate is the fuel driving America.

50 plus years ago I was arrested for standing still on the edge of a peace protest in Anne Arbor, Michigan. They took us all a few miles away and let us out, knowing it would be dark by the time we walked back. It was done in the name of "national security"

It was the fourth time I had been arrested for standing still, but to be truthful I did have long hair, bell bottoms - illegal I guess in those days.

The police who arrested us hated us and were rather generous with their batons and language - I believe it was where I first heard the term "pansy, faggot, Commie" The hate was palpable. I took a hit across the back when I ask what was my crime?

Today, what I see is that things have gotten much worse, far MORE tribal and while there might not be any "pansy, faggot, commie" shouting, there are more tribes with deeper divisions being driven and magnified, bred and multiplied across social media.

I look at the incident now such a great controversy and the smug, superior teen taking heat for it all, when the culprits where his buddies and their chopping motions and sneering laughter. But no matter, the lines where drawn before the video was shot, wrong or right, black or white, no compromise.....

I am a Christian, but hate organized religion. In my world the Christian way would be to assist the elder in going to where he was headed...then the video would have been that of a right wing Christian boy coming to the aid of an elder.....a gesture negating all else and poking a burnt stick in the group shouting bad words.

Instead, in Trumps America you have more more blemish on your society, one more "wall" of division, one more wound to bleed; added to that somec resentments, grudges, throw in some lies about immigrants and borders and what you have is a simmering war. Consider it on, while we wait for the shooting to start

I have been saying for years that the US will have major riots that will make the 68 riots pale by comparison.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Why do you continue to misrepresent what I said, despite me having corrected you on multiple occasions and then at length? Kinda seems like, given your accusations in this thread that others were exaggerating or being dishonest, you'd go to some lengths not to come off similarly.

I was never talking about anyone but the HS kids and the Native American. You were talking about harvesting organs. Was that discussed by either the students or the Native American? Yes? No? If it's no, then you were quoting me and not having the same conversation I was.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Since this is just Faux Outrage of the worst sort...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...ive-american-vet-narrative-was-false-n2539332


Shouldn't everyone be more outraged that the news media fed them a load of bullsnot? That these kids were wrongly attacked for something they didn't do? That their parents are having their jobs threatened? That these kids are being Doxxed based on LIES?

That's the real outrage here.

They should be. But they aren't. We are too busy hating each other to stop to think.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

I have been saying for years that the US will have major riots that will make the 68 riots pale by comparison.



I know, and I have been saying it will become a shootin' war, red states vs blue.

There will be blood.

PS you should see and hear the **** that's coming in over the drumming incident....all of a sudden Canadians have this deep respect for natives. (To be fair though we HAVE mad progress after the Truth and Reconciliation Commission)
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

I was never talking about anyone but the HS kids and the Native American. You were talking about harvesting organs. Was that discussed by either the students or the Native American? Yes? No? If it's no, then you were quoting me and not having the same conversation I was.

:) Tres, I'm going to go re-quote my earlier post to you that I've cited for you multiple times, and maybe you can read the words I'm going to bold and put in Red, and then I'll accept your acknowledgement that you misrepresented what I said when you suggest I was referring to the guy banging a drum in their face :)


Given that they seem to have developed the ability to smile and react generally positively in the face of abuse, I would bet they'll be fine.

That the story is about them instead of the actual racist assholes yelling hateful invective at them is as indicative as anything that no one cares about decency or mores, anymore, but rather only and always about attacking The Other.
Banging a drum in a public place is "abuse" now?
:shrug: it can be, but what I was referring to there was the racial epithets, threats, and accusations being hurled at them by the black hebrew israelite (BHI) protestors who were yelling at them that they were racists, bigots, faggots, incest kids, that the black student in the group was going to be killed and have his organs harvested, etc. The kids responded with school chants. Then a guy leads a group into their midst beating a drum, stands there doing that for a few minutes, leaves, and suddenly they are the racists, instead of the actual racists screaming actually racist things. :roll:




You quoted me discussing verbal abuse by the BHI and have been insisting on pretending I was blaming that verbal abuse on the guy banging a drum in their face instead, and have refused for multiple posts, with multiple corrections with citation from me, to shift off of that initial confusion on your part.


At this point, you can either acknowledge that, or you continue on, and be deliberately dishonest in misrepresenting what I said. Which is it gonna be, Tres?
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

We saw this right back in the campaign when they were decking black guys. Put on a MAGA hat, be a d!ck, blame the victim.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

:) Tres, I'm going to go re-quote my earlier post to you that I've cited for you multiple times, and maybe you can read the words I'm going to bold and put in Red, and then I'll accept your acknowledgement that you misrepresented what I said when you suggest I was referring to the guy banging a drum in their face :)







You quoted me discussing verbal abuse by the BHI and have been insisting on pretending I was blaming that verbal abuse on the guy banging a drum in their face instead, and have refused for multiple posts, with multiple corrections with citation from me, to shift off of that initial confusion on your part.


At this point, you can either acknowledge that, or you continue on, and be deliberately dishonest in misrepresenting what I said. Which is it gonna be, Tres?

So you were talking about the abuse from the Black Israelites. I wasn't.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

The ones to be questioned are the chaperones for this group of teens. Regardless who initiated this , the adult chaperones should have stepped in to defused it before it escalated.

The chaperones were probably dealing with the other group of protesters who were spitting at the kids and shouting anti-Catholic hate slurs at them.

A group of school kids are taken to the Lincoln Memorial as part of a sightseeing school outing - and came under extreme harassment and bullying attack, which the leftwing press and media cheered and outright tried to destroy the teenager - as do many Democrats - who refused to yield or respond in anger.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Can there really be any doubt anymore that those red MAGA hats have replaced white robes and hoods as the new symbol of white nationalism? That was an absolutely disgusting display. Unlike those privileged white kids those native Americans are the original Americans and will always be more American than any of them will ever be.

You're Native American?

Tell me, now many refugees has the Navajo Nation allowed to live on the land of their nation?

Explain why you support their exercising absolute housing discrimination against anyone unless they pro-actively decide that person is allowed to be a citizen of their nation living on their land, usually based upon race and/or family ancestry?

Let's discuss the Oklahoma Cherokee deciding that blacks who are ancestral Cherokee because their ancestors were their black slaves were retroactively denied tribal membership and a share of tribal income - literally forcibly evicting 2800 of them specifically because they are black, some who were born on that Cherokee reservation and going back for generations?

Do tell us of the Navajo Nation's "closed border" policy towards their land and their citizens.

Name ANY Democrat who wouldn't go absolutely berserk if the USA imposed the immigration and housing restrictions that nearly all Native American tribes have towards their nations' land?

Nor were they the first "Americans." They were not Americans at all nor wanted to be.
 
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So you were talking about the abuse from the Black Israelites. I wasn't.

It is clear you have no criticism of them shouting bigoted hate slurs at the school kids.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

It appears that today, hate is the fuel driving America.

50 plus years ago I was arrested for standing still on the edge of a peace protest in Anne Arbor, Michigan. They took us all a few miles away and let us out, knowing it would be dark by the time we walked back. It was done in the name of "national security"

It was the fourth time I had been arrested for standing still, but to be truthful I did have long hair, bell bottoms - illegal I guess in those days.

The police who arrested us hated us and were rather generous with their batons and language - I believe it was where I first heard the term "pansy, faggot, Commie" The hate was palpable. I took a hit across the back when I ask what was my crime?

Today, what I see is that things have gotten much worse, far MORE tribal and while there might not be any "pansy, faggot, commie" shouting, there are more tribes with deeper divisions being driven and magnified, bred and multiplied across social media.

I look at the incident now such a great controversy and the smug, superior teen taking heat for it all, when the culprits where his buddies and their chopping motions and sneering laughter. But no matter, the lines where drawn before the video was shot, wrong or right, black or white, no compromise.....

I am a Christian, but hate organized religion. In my world the Christian way would be to assist the elder in going to where he was headed...then the video would have been that of a right wing Christian boy coming to the aid of an elder.....a gesture negating all else and poking a burnt stick in the group shouting bad words.

Instead, in Trumps America you have more more blemish on your society, one more "wall" of division, one more wound to bleed; added to that somec resentments, grudges, throw in some lies about immigrants and borders and what you have is a simmering war. Consider it on, while we wait for the shooting to start

From your experiences you conclude that no criticism should be made of calls for violence against school kids doing nothing but being on a school field trip, nor a word of criticism at the bigoted hate slurs shouted at them and the agitator with a group of men trying to shove thru them - all justified because they are Catholics wearing MAGA hats and were smiling rather than shout back counter hate slurs?

The contortions to try to twist the truth to attack school kids on a field trip who did exactly nothing wrong is shocking - and it why I so often claim the NEW Democratic Party is no different now than Nazism in the mid 1930s Germany - the exact same fascism - and exactly along racial and political divisions - with the same calls for violence and intimidation against anyone who does not submit to their political dogma and agenda. I see no difference whatsoever.

It's a bunch of crap posting about helping the elderly on his path. The 64 year old agitator admits he specifically fixated on that teen, when he could have gone around him at any time.
 
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WTH? I watched your video link and another video posted on Twitter. In both videos there was no one mobbing the Indian.

The kids were there first.

It shows the Indians walking into the group of kids.

In the video it shows clearly that the group of kids even separated to allow a path for the Indians to walk up the steps to do their ceremonial thing.

Instead of going around the boy in which he was given plenty of room he continued to stand in front of the kid chanting and pounding his drum which signaled the man was insisting the boy to move instead of him walking around him where there was more than ample room to do so.


This story is BS.

Atually, the OP article isn't wrong. I doesn't tell the full story of how things transpired, but it's not wrong in what it reported.

Mr. Phillips did walk in front of the crowd of students from Covington Cathonlic HS, but he positioned himself between the students and the five Black men who said they were part of an organization who call themselves the Black Hebrew Israelites. Two of the men filmed the events that were taking place around them while also record the three speakers of their group. This small band of men stood a few feet away from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial espousing their version of Biblical scripture and cultural/human history. Unfortunately, their words were also at times hateful, aggressive, threatening, demeaning and antagonistic. Occasionally, they would interact with passers-by and exchange in dialog, but they mostly confronted people who they believed weren't true "followers of God and Christ".

About 1 hour into filming, a crowd of white people - mostly students from Covington Catholic HS - began to gather. This was most certainly due to the aggressive and demeaning tone the five black men took towards the students, many of whom were wearing MAGA hats. The crowd soon surrounded the five black men but remained non-threatening (physically). Heated words were exchanged. That's when Mr. Phillips approached the students (around the 1:08-12 mark) and positioned himself along with a few of his followers between the students and the black men. Except for a brief verbal exchange between one of the Native American Indians who accompanied Mr. Phillips and one student, no one confronted anyone else. The students did begin to chant, but it was a common chant one would commonly hear at any high school or college sporting event. We all know the chant - it sounds like an Indian war cry.

This article from the Courier-Journal links to two videos that show exactly what happened. The long version of the video (1:46:00) is mainly from the perspective of the five Black Hebrew Israelite men, whereas, the shorter video (9:40) shows what transpired between Mr. Phillips, Mr. Sandmann and the Covington Catholic HS students. Mr. Phillips says he approached the students because he believed they were becoming agitated with the black men and he didn't want to see things spawn out of control Mr. Sandmann says he stood there calmly even discouraging one of his school mates from confronting Mr. Phillips. Both claim they prayed for peace in hopes that the situation didn't spiral out of control. Why can't we accept that both men acted in good faith?
 
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The thread is under review.

There was an in-thread placed at #21, which has been largely ignored. Posts made before this warning are still subject to moderation.

In the meantime, knock off the personal comments/baiting/trolling and stick to the topic.
 
Re: [W:21]Teens in MAGA Hats Harassed a Native American Vietnam Veteran

Atually, the OP article isn't wrong. I doesn't tell the full story of how things transpired, but it's not wrong in what it reported.

Mr. Phillips did walk in front of the crowd of students from Covington Cathonlic HS, but he positioned himself between the students and the five Black men who said they were part of an organization who call themselves the Black Hebrew Israelites. Two of the men filmed the events that were taking place around them while also record the three speakers of their group. This small band of men stood a few feet away from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial espousing their version of Biblical scripture and cultural/human history. Unfortunately, their words were also at times hateful, aggressive, threatening, demeaning and antagonistic. Occasionally, they would interact with passers-by and exchange in dialog, but they mostly confronted people who they believed weren't true "followers of God and Christ".

About 1 hour into filming, a crowd of white people - mostly students from Covington Catholic HS - began to gather. This was most certainly due to the aggressive and demeaning tone the five black men took towards the students, many of whom were wearing MAGA hats. The crowd soon surrounded the five black men but remained non-threatening (physically). Heated words were exchanged. That's when Mr. Phillips approached the students (around the 1:08-12 mark) and positioned himself along with a few of his followers between the students and the black men. Except for a brief verbal exchange between one of the Native American Indians who accompanied Mr. Phillips and one student, no one confronted anyone else. The students did begin to chant, but it was a common chant one would commonly hear at any high school or college sporting event. We all know the chant - it sounds like an Indian war cry.

This article from the Courier-Journal links to two videos that show exactly what happened. The long version of the video (1:46:00) is mainly from the perspective of the five Black Hebrew Israelite men, whereas, the shorter video (9:40) shows what transpired between Mr. Phillips, Mr. Sandmann and the Covington Catholic HS students. Mr. Phillips says he approached the students because he believed they were becoming agitated with the black men and he didn't want to see things spawn out of control Mr. Sandmann says he stood there calmly even discouraging one of his school mates from confronting Mr. Phillips. Both claim they prayed for peace in hopes that the situation didn't spiral out of control. Why can't we accept that both men acted in good faith?

By the statements of Mr. Phillips afterwards and that he put himself nose to nose against the teenager literally against him staring at him, not the black Israelites - nor at any times since has he said one word against those men for shouting hate bigoted slurs at the kids. Nor does the video show the teens and children becoming agitated. In addition, it is known by his history he injects himself into setting with students deliberately to harass them, even if having to climb over a fence onto school property to do so - then claims himself a victim and that he feared for his life.

This time, he brought along a camera man to release a highly edited short clip of it to again claim he is a victim and feared for his life - totally deleting he is who made the aggressive approach - and we know know his motive was personal economic profit - because he literally is asking for money online for what he did. He's a real scumball.
 
The MSM is trying to walk back the story, while careful to still mostly blame school kids and not daring to criticize the instigator. It must be frustrating to learn there is footage of the entire incident that exposed the horrific attacks they were publishing worldwide against that teenager.
 
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