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Trump to Support DACA Protections for More Wall Funding

Fishking said:
Question, when you buy a house or car, do you pay for it?
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Yes on the car but we borrowed money for the house. If you're suggesting that we'll advance the money to Mexico in the form of a loan, great, get that note signed and recorded! Or pass the legislation that also guarantees funding from Mexico over a defined period.
 
JacksinPA said:
Walls don't work as we've seen the tunneling activity in the past few days. They are technology from the Dark Ages. The Mongols still got past the Great Wall of China.

And a wall from the Gulf of Mexico to San Diego will cost a lot more than 5.?B. And it will be in the courts for years over ranchers fighting eminent domain as they are cut off from their land & the water of the Rio Grande.

Read Erwin Rommel on rules of desert warfare: any obstacle can be outflanked. See

https://books.google.com/books?id=7fHnCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&...rommel rules of desert warfare flabnk&f=false
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Walls work so well, even the incompetent Communists managed a wall with a near perfect record.

Israel’s wall is almost perfect.

Hungary’s flesh eating razor wire hell has stopped illegal invaders.

Steny Hoyer admitted walls work, and are not immoral.

Experts in our government agencies have stated walls are successful.
 
Fishking said:
You can post the video a million times and you'll still be wrong. You already admitted as much by dodging. Run off until you come up with something better.
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i'm not wrong. the video shows Trump claiming that Mexico will pay for the wall and that Americans will not pay.
 
Fishking said:
Mexico can still be made to pay for it, even if it's paid by us initially. I didn't think that was hard to understand. In 2016 $69 billion was sent to Mexico from the U.S. A wall would reduce the number of people crossing over, and therefor reduce the number of people coming in and sending our capital out of the country to Mexico. That alone would equate to < money for Mexico and < money for the U.S.

That's just one of many ways. Another way is the cancellation of production plants being sent to Mexico and keeping it in the states. That's more $$ here and less $$ there, so there is another way. Goods can be taxed, passage can be taxed, ect.
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As they say, if this is easy, Trump and the GOP need to quit talking about it and Just Do It!
 
Helix said:
i thought that Mexico was paying for the wall.
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I’ll make a trade.**

For every hare-brained Leftist Scheme that has failed miserably to meet projections, we will cancel them all... in exchange for no wall (but putting down a permanent army on the border.)*

You do realize, there is not one hare-brained Socialist Scheme that has come close to its predictions? It’s why we are 220 TRILLION in the hole.

PS. The wall will pay for itself, and as Trump noted, the new USMCA deal will fund it.

*More expensive.

**Problem is, you can never trust Leftists. They promised border security 32-years ago... and look at the mess they’ve allowed to happen.

5 Billion is 1/10th of 1% of the federal budget. We spend 31-times that on the illegal invaders. The wall will help solve that waste of taxpayer money.
 
Fishking said:
Mexico can still be made to pay for it, even if it's paid by us initially. I didn't think that was hard to understand. In 2016 $69 billion was sent to Mexico from the U.S. A wall would reduce the number of people crossing over, and therefor reduce the number of people coming in and sending our capital out of the country to Mexico. That alone would equate to < money for Mexico and < money for the U.S.

That's just one of many ways. Another way is the cancellation of production plants being sent to Mexico and keeping it in the states. That's more $$ here and less $$ there, so there is another way. Goods can be taxed, passage can be taxed, ect.
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Not sure where you come up with your numbers...but we actually only provide 320 million in any sort of aid to Mexico.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ico-wall-trump-specialists-backfire/97103024/
 
zimmer said:
I’ll make a trade.**

For every hare-brained Leftist Scheme that has failed miserably to meet projections, we will cancel them all... in exchange for no wall (but putting down a permanent army on the border.)*

You do realize, there is not one hare-brained Socialist Scheme that has come close to its predictions? It’s why we are 220 TRILLION in the hole.

PS. The wall will pay for itself, and as Trump noted, the new USMCA deal will fund it.

*More expensive.

**Problem is, you can never trust Leftists. They promised border security 32-years ago... and look at the mess they’ve allowed to happen.
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So, cancel schools, highways and hospitals...anything else you want to cancel? Oh yeh, police, ambulances, firefighters, don't need that either right?
 
Dems continue their shutdown. Pelosi and Schumer prove that they are not interested in compromise or getting 800k people back to work.
they have already come out and rejected the offer that trump made.

They now have no claim on helping DACA recipients.

Once again we see that neither Schumer or Pelosi have the intelligence to govern.
 
zimmer said:
I’ll make a trade.**

For every hare-brained Leftist Scheme that has failed miserably to meet projections, we will cancel them all... in exchange for no wall (but putting down a permanent army on the border.)*

You do realize, there is not one hare-brained Socialist Scheme that has come close to its predictions? It’s why we are 220 TRILLION in the hole.

PS. The wall will pay for itself, and as Trump noted, the new USMCA deal will fund it.

*More expensive.

**Problem is, you can never trust Leftists. They promised border security 32-years ago... and look at the mess they’ve allowed to happen.
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i won't make a trade. the orange fool said that Mexico will pay for the wall. that's the deal.
 
trixare4kids said:
Are you saying Trump's base want the wall because of ego?
Trump's merely attempting to deliver on his campaign promises to them, sort of like Obama delivered on fixing healthcare. Did you say Obama's ego healthcare was useless?

Presidents make promises...elections have consequences.
Trump should not open the government until he gets what this country deserves; better border enforcement.

I support his efforts 100%.
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better border enforcement by suspending DHS's budget?
 
ClaraD said:
we have one, how well is it working?
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In the places that it was built correctly pretty good.
the massive flux of people we have seen were because of obama and his come on in policy
which was 100% against the law.
 
ludin said:
In the places that it was built correctly pretty good.
the massive flux of people we have seen were because of obama and his come on in policy
which was 100% against the law.
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you haven't ever been to the border....that is clear. It actually is a miserable failure...the only thing it is very good at is causing flooding.
 
I think I'll believe every border patrol officer, agent, Chief, Mayor and Sheriff who has worked the border for years over a keyboard-warrior Trump hater. To a person, they've said barriers work and they desperately need more.
Those who do nothing but contradict these hard-working folks as they sit on their ample rear ends and spew mistruths all day should perhaps shadow them for a month or so, and then tell us what it's really like down there.
 
Acadia said:
I think I'll believe every border patrol officer, agent, Chief, Mayor and Sheriff who has worked the border for years over a keyboard-warrior Trump hater. To a person, they've said barriers work and they desperately need more.
Those who do nothing but contradict these hard-working folks as they sit on their ample rear ends and spew mistruths all day should perhaps shadow them for a month or so, and then tell us what it's really like down there.
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actually, they don't say that....nor does anyone else in South Texas or Southern Cali

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/...-wall-immigration-trump-senate-democrats.html
 
ludin said:
Dems continue their shutdown. Pelosi and Schumer prove that they are not interested in compromise or getting 800k people back to work.
they have already come out and rejected the offer that trump made.

They now have no claim on helping DACA recipients.
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The Kushner/Mulvaney idea of the BRIDGES Act (Graham/Durbin) is only a 3 year temporary Dreamer protection. A wall is for decades.

They didn't even discuss this with Democrats.

Trump and McConnell need to open up government and sit down to real negotiations, not this Kushner/Mulvaney crappola.
 
JasperL said:
Yes on the car but we borrowed money for the house. If you're suggesting that we'll advance the money to Mexico in the form of a loan, great, get that note signed and recorded! Or pass the legislation that also guarantees funding from Mexico over a defined period.
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Not everything is paid for upfront. There are many ways to extract the money later.
 
Helix said:
i'm not wrong. the video shows Trump claiming that Mexico will pay for the wall and that Americans will not pay.
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That can still happen. I've already presented the method in which it can be done. You know this which is why you continue to dodge the question posed. Why do you continue to post when you've already admitted to being wrong?
 
ClaraD said:
Not sure where you come up with your numbers...but we actually only provide 320 million in any sort of aid to Mexico.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ico-wall-trump-specialists-backfire/97103024/
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That wasn't aid. That was money sent to Mexico by Mexicans working in the U.S. They make their money here and send it home.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...the-u-s-are-sending-home-more-money-than-ever

Migrants from Latin America and the Caribbean are sending more money to their families back home than ever before.

These annual "remittances" — as they're called by analysts — topped $69 billion in 2016, according to central bank data compiled in a new report by the Inter-American Dialogue, a Washington, D.C.-based think-tank. The money has been a lifeline for the national economies of many countries in the region since at least the 1990s, when Manuel Orozco, a political scientist who authored the report, first began tracking remittances.
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JacksinPA said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-support-daca-protections-for-more-wall-funding-11547920247

The president is scheduled to make an announcement on the budget impasse at 4 p.m.

WASHINGTON—President Trump is planning on Saturday to support protections from deportation for some undocumented immigrants in the U.S. in exchange for $5.7 billion to build the southern border wall, said White House officials familiar with the decision.

Mr. Trump is scheduled to make his announcement at 4 pm. Aides cautioned that the announcement has already been delayed once by an hour, and that the president may still change his approach.
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Interesting ploy but I don't see it going too far with the Dems.
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Let's flashback to about a year ago...

Schumer pulls back offer of $25 billion for Trump’s wall as immigration fight continues

Top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer on Tuesday pulled back an offer of $25 billion for President Donald Trump’s long-promised southern border wall, as lawmakers scrambled to figure out how to push a deal to protect 700,000 or more so-called Dreamer immigrants from deportation.​

You trumpettes out there still think trump is fighting for a wall? :lol:
 
Fishking said:
Walls work. Stop lying. We already have plenty of data on that.
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Tell that to the Chinese that took 2,000 years to build theirs but it still didn't stop the hordes of Mongols from invading them.
 
Deuce said:
No, Trump wanted it because of ego, and it was a useful talking point to dupe people with.
His base wants it because they are stupid and scared.
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That's just ridiculous.
He wants the wall/steel slants/more fencing where needed etc., just like Obama wanted his signature healthcare bill.
Both made promises to their base.

The ONLY reason the Dems. are stuck on stupid and are not negotiating is because they don't want Trump to have the win going into 2020.
People who won't admit this are those with the "ego" problem.
 
HumblePi said:
Tell that to the Chinese that took 2,000 years to build theirs but it still didn't stop the hordes of Mongols from invading them.
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Walls are very low tech, circa 7th century CE. You can go under them, over them or around them. Makes no difference for the determined.
 
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