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Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency, in Saturday

uptower said:
I don't buy that. They'll tolerate him pretending he won. Fix a few fences and barriers here and there and claim it's as good as his wall. They'll put up with anything because it's about him not the party or the policies. Bear in mind I'm talking only about the hardcore here. To them the wall is what he says it is.

But Trump himself never cared for the wall. It was a prop that sounded good in a stadium full of red hats an gets him a cheer. He's not interested beyond that, because the Trump presidency is about ratings not achievements.

Even Trump must realize by now the wall will take many years - outlasting even a [at this stage very hypothetical] second term. The impetus, the will the push for funds has to keep renewing itself every budget cycle. Without him to rally around the whole thing falls apart anyway. He can barely seem to hold the idea together as it is, resorting to holding a govt shutdown hostage just to get some short term startup cash.
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Is that why he shut the govt down? Rather good cover up for someone that really isnt interested in a wall. No, Trump is a guy that is embarrassed by not accomplishing what he said. Thats an alpha male trait. A beta male is as you describe. I dont see it.
 
Khalix said:
That a funny way to show a person has never cared for the wall.

Considering the political ramifications if the shutdown and 800k people not getting a check.

I think quite seriously that he cares about the wall because it’s costing Americans to much. He’s been the president trying to undo what career politicians have been screwing us with.

To think he doesn’t care seems a bit out there.
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You're assuming he cares. Wrong assumption.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Is that why he shut the govt down? Rather good cover up for someone that really isnt interested in a wall. No, Trump is a guy that is embarrassed by not accomplishing what he said. Thats an alpha male trait. A beta male is as you describe. I dont see it.
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I'm not sure that the unscientific 'alpha/beta' stereotypes favored by sports jocks, snake-oil gurus and online dating coaches really applies here.

Rather what Trump appears to be is a malignant narcissist for whom short term victories over perceived enemies trumps any achievement. Yes he can also be an 'alpha', or at least most definitely see himself as one and his obstinacy as striving toward that goal. But in the end he's driven by short-term fixes and will happily do a half-assed job to get there and pack a hissy fit when it fails.

If he was really such a go-getter he'd have got this project started two years ago when he took office and had the power of a unified congress behind him.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
That argument is a joke given that the entire cost will be charged to the kids/grandkids/unborn.

Please try to be serious, we need more serious people.
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In that's the case we need to get rid of Trump.
 
j-mac said:
This post highlights exactly what is wrong with trying to even talk to today's radical Democrats....NOTHING proposed by the president will be "good enough" even if THEY proposed it first, because it came from Trump...

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Funny that's exactly what we say about today's radical republicans. They get what they want and they still aren't happy. Go figure.
 
SLC said:
Trump put the ball in Nancy's court in front of the American people. The only way Trump wins this is to turn the American people against the Democrats. About 35% of the people are hardcore Dems and will not change. There are about 35% that are hardcore Republicans and will not change the 30% in the middle can be influenced. Trump needs to look at the most vulnerable members of Congress and advertise in their districts and start having the public put pressure on their representatives. Once enough people call their Democrat representative Congress will start pressuring Nancy to make a deal.
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Wrong.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
My thought is that Trump has been exceptionally reasonable during all of this, and now apparently he continues his good behavior, which should be rewarded if we want to see more of it.

There must be fairness in the games otherwise instead of having games this society breaks down in to violence and chaos.

With as mentally ill as we are now and with as much firepower is out there that will really suck.
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AlphaOmega said:
sorta like when you guys said he wouldnt make the debates, then you claimed he will never be the candidate, then you claimed he had no path to victory as you touted the electorals in our faces at 6 pm on election day, then by midnight you were sky crying, and the next morning you were actively debating the removal of the electoral college. Sorta like that prediction?
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He did wimp out of one of the debates and he looked like an idiotic prick trying to debate hillary. How soon you forget.
 
AlphaOmega said:
his base doesnt want it? He won election based on this. If he doesnt seal that border soon, hes a one term president.
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He's already a one term president and will be lucky to finish his term.
 
Chomsky said:
Full article title: Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency, in Saturday speech, official says





Source: (CNN) Trump plans to make Democrats an offer to end shutdown, not declare national emergency, in Saturday speech, official says

Alright, with CNN citing a "senior administration official here - I'm a bit suspect. My suspicion is this will be little of substance in the way of "an offer". It will likely be an "offer" to negotiate in a manner politically advantageous for Trump.

But hey, who knows? If it gets dialogue going, it's a good thing right?

So, what do you think?
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Any dialog or negotiations are a good thing, for sure. I didn't watch or listen to him, but as I understand it, Trump offered to extend DACA for three years. Pelosi said even before Trump made the offer that it was a non-starter. I don't see why she didn't say okay, that's a start. How about 5 or 10 years. If one wanted a dialog or to participate in negotiations, she would make a counter proposal. Apparently, all she wants is to defeat Trump. I suppose one could say Pelosi is striving for unconditional surrender.

I have always said if both sides were willing to compromise, govern as adults instead of spoiled children playing the game of I want all, you nothing, mine, yours, mine yours, no, yes, no, yes. This could have been worked out long before the shutdown started. What we have here is partisan politics at its worst.

Okay, Trump made an offer, the ball is in Pelosi's and Schumer's court now. Either make a counter offer, a counter proposal, put something on the table to be discussed or if what I read is true, it's their turn to own the shutdown. I'd never thought I'd say this, but the obnoxious, name calling bully did try to get something started.

Now who's acting like spoiled four year old kids?
 
AlphaOmega said:
his base doesnt want it? He won election based on this. If he doesnt seal that border soon, hes a one term president.
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It's pretty hard to see a scenario where he wins a second term. He is just trying to keep from being neutered in his first term.
 
Perotista said:
Any dialog or negotiations are a good thing, for sure. I didn't watch or listen to him, but as I understand it, Trump offered to extend DACA for three years. Pelosi said even before Trump made the offer that it was a non-starter. I don't see why she didn't say okay, that's a start. How about 5 or 10 years. If one wanted a dialog or to participate in negotiations, she would make a counter proposal. Apparently, all she wants is to defeat Trump. I suppose one could say Pelosi is striving for unconditional surrender.

I have always said if both sides were willing to compromise, govern as adults instead of spoiled children playing the game of I want all, you nothing, mine, yours, mine yours, no, yes, no, yes. This could have been worked out long before the shutdown started. What we have here is partisan politics at its worst.

Okay, Trump made an offer, the ball is in Pelosi's and Schumer's court now. Either make a counter offer, a counter proposal, put something on the table to be discussed or if what I read is true, it's their turn to own the shutdown. I'd never thought I'd say this, but the obnoxious, name calling bully did try to get something started.

Now who's acting like spoiled four year old kids?
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It's not that simple, if it were, the deal would have been done and a new spending bill passed last month. There's too many 'future' bills down the road that are going to suffer the same kind of stale-mates because the required funding for a border wall will never cease and neither will the disputes every time it comes up for a new vote. Same thing with the Dreamers, they're going to remain in a perpetual state of limbo until something is settled. If Trump could completely abandon his wish for a wall that's not needed and would be a herculean task to complete to say the least, then a new spending bill could happen swiftly. Unfortunately for this country, our president has too many whisperers that are controlling his every decision and they aren't in the best interest of everyone in this country, they're only for some.
 
SLC said:
I wasn't aware Trump had 60 votes in the Senate during the first 2 years. The House did pass a bill that had border funding but the Dems blocked by Schumer in the Senate. Give me a break.
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Senate had GOP majority - do the math. How tough can it be.
 
Acadia said:
There is no question Pelosi's moral turpitude allows her to hurt people without compunction. The question is- how long will the rest of the Dems hold her party line, ignore the suffering of their constituents and believe that destroying Trump serves the country and their best interests.
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Maybe because it does??
 
Acadia said:
Oh, that's rich coming from someone who I'm guessing loved Obama...who negotiated with an entire terrorist state.
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But you're completely ok with Trump being completely owned by a terrorist state?? WOW
 
Perotista said:
Any dialog or negotiations are a good thing, for sure. I didn't watch or listen to him, but as I understand it, Trump offered to extend DACA for three years. Pelosi said even before Trump made the offer that it was a non-starter. I don't see why she didn't say okay, that's a start. How about 5 or 10 years. If one wanted a dialog or to participate in negotiations, she would make a counter proposal. Apparently, all she wants is to defeat Trump. I suppose one could say Pelosi is striving for unconditional surrender.

I have always said if both sides were willing to compromise, govern as adults instead of spoiled children playing the game of I want all, you nothing, mine, yours, mine yours, no, yes, no, yes. This could have been worked out long before the shutdown started. What we have here is partisan politics at its worst.

Okay, Trump made an offer, the ball is in Pelosi's and Schumer's court now. Either make a counter offer, a counter proposal, put something on the table to be discussed or if what I read is true, it's their turn to own the shutdown. I'd never thought I'd say this, but the obnoxious, name calling bully did try to get something started.

Now who's acting like spoiled four year old kids?
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I agree with a lot of your assessment.

Pelosi has dropped herself down to his level now. So next he will follow suit and take his ball and bat home.

Meanwhile 800,000 federal workers go without their paycheck while this little drama plays out.

This whole "The Wall" was not researched and laid out correctly from the start. Mainly because Trump is lazy and just used to spouting off sound bites that he believes make him sound presidential.

That initial blunder of saying Mexico would pay for it and now having to backtrack it tarnished the whole proposal. Am glad he finally admitted it wouldn't be a 2,000 mile wall which is ludicrous.


Then to add the tantrum of shutting down the government is beyond helpful to anyone. It is almost like there are no adults in the room.

Eventually there is going to be pressure on the political leaders to just get this solved. And then we will wait for the next temper tantrum and another government shutdown.
 
Khalix said:
The Dems are just as guilty as Trump in this. Sure he owns the shut down. But the Dems own the length of it.
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You make no sense. if Trump owns the shut down he owns it for its full length. He knows what to do to end it and doesn't.
 
Taylor said:
What are you talking about?? Are you really trying to assert that parties in the minority don't take positions, can't write legislation, can't create plans to deal with issues??
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Parties in the minority can't dictate terms any more than majority parties can. Trump is not a politician, he's a wannabe dictator. His only skill at deal making consists of twisting arms and breaking kneecaps. That's why the elite hated him so much. He is totally incompatible with his job and if wasn't for Putin bailing him out he would be a broken man by now. He burns bridges faster than any man on Earth. I'm surprised he hasn't turned you off by now. I thought women were turned off by creeps?
 
Its time to impeach Pelosi.
 
jghiretire said:
You're assuming he cares. Wrong assumption.
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You’re sssuming he doesn’t. So if mine is wrong so is yours. Because realky neither are confirmed and just opinion.
 
upsideguy said:
It's pretty hard to see a scenario where he wins a second term. He is just trying to keep from being neutered in his first term.
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I guess you forget about his election. Wasn’t there no way he was going to win?

Keep on under estimating him.

iguanaman said:
You make no sense. if Trump owns the shut down he owns it for its full length. He knows what to do to end it and doesn't.
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No. He may have have started out owning it. But I think we are seeing chuck and Nancy snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The longer they don’t come to the table the more it looks like they own it. I think many see Trump going out of his way to make a deal. You can’t say the sane about the democrats
 
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