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$11 toothpaste: Immigrants pay big for basics at private ICE lock-ups

ludin said:
so prove he has done either of those.
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If you're going to move the goalpost, you can play with yourself. That I called you out on yet another round of typically false statements does not grant you the power to change the subject of the thread. The subject of the thread is for-profit prisons massively ripping off anyone they can and, relatedly, Trumpists' entirely predictable behavior in cheering on pointless cruelty.



TU Curmudgeon said:
From Reuters

$11 toothpaste: Immigrants pay big for basics at private ICE lock-ups

NEW YORK/SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Detained in a California lockup with hundreds of other immigrants seeking asylum, Duglas Cruz faced a choice.

He could content himself with a jailhouse diet that he said left him perpetually hungry. Or he could labor in the prison’s kitchen to earn money to buy extra food at the commissary.

Cruz went to work. But his $1-a-day salary at the privately run Adelanto Detention Facility did not stretch far.

A can of commissary tuna sold for $3.25. That is more than four times the price at a Target store near the small desert town of Adelanto, about two hours northeast of Los Angeles. Cruz stuck with ramen noodles at 58 cents a package, double the Target price. A miniature deodorant stick, at $3.35 and more than three days’ wages, was an impossible luxury, he said.

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Well, who didn't expect that people who run prisons for profit would do whatever is necessary to make as big a profit as possible?

Besides, it was his own choice to take the job at the wages offered - he didn't have to - so he really can't complain.

Right?
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The state of American prisons is deplorable, whether you're an immigrant or a citizen. The only way to make us look half decent is by comparing us to Honduras (see post above) because if you compared us to any of our western allies you would understand why the world's major human rights organizations, including the UN, have found us to be sorely lacking. That's what the private prison system does to our humanity.

Yeah... don't commit a crime if you don't want to suffer the consequences, but we should also be setting a goal of prisoners exiting the system better than when they entered so that recidivism rate is lowered. That can't happen under the private model though because a revolving door policy is good for business. :shrug:
 
Mr Person said:
If you're going to move the goalpost, you can play with yourself. That I called you out on yet another round of typically false statements does not grant you the power to change the subject of the thread. The subject of the thread is for-profit prisons massively ripping off anyone they can and, relatedly, Trumpists' entirely predictable behavior in cheering on pointless cruelty.
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There is no moving the goal posts. he is there because he came here illegally. he can easily say i want to go back home and not worry about it.
however since he is in prison or detainment he is given 3 meals a day along with other personal products. if he wants more than what he is given then
well that is on him.

these products have higher costs than what goes to the typical grocery store. hence the higher price.
breaking the law has consequences.
 
ludin said:
more than likely he didn't go to a port of entry. he crossed illegally like the majority of them are doing.
again if he doesn't like the free stuff he is given then that is his choice.

he could easily go back to his own country work and buy whatever he wants.
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where does it say that if you aren't at a point of entry, you can't apply for asylum? It in fact, says, at port of entry OR within the US up to 1 year from date of entry.
 
ludin said:
There is no moving the goal posts. he is there because he came here illegally. he can easily say i want to go back home and not worry about it.
however since he is in prison or detainment he is given 3 meals a day along with other personal products. if he wants more than what he is given then
well that is on him.

these products have higher costs than what goes to the typical grocery store. hence the higher price.
breaking the law has consequences.
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they are rarely given 3 meals a day, it varies between 1 and 2.
 
apdst said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw2rCck4WHMxCKo2Eve2yZHm&ust=1548003494770976
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Linked article does not refer to "world's BEST healthcare system".

apdst said:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw2rCck4WHMxCKo2Eve2yZHm&ust=1548003494770976
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Linked article does not refer to "world's BEST healthcare system"

You might want to try

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

or

MEASURING OVERALL HEALTH SYSTEM PERFORMANCE FOR 191 COUNTRIES

for data that is actually relevant.

PS - It is with great shame that I have to admit that Canada just barely makes the list in the first linked article and that it only ranks as #27 in the second linked article. Obviously the two studies use different criteria. The US, of course, is ranked as #1 in both - right?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Linked article does not refer to "world's BEST healthcare system".



Linked article does not refer to "world's BEST healthcare system"

You might want to try

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

or

MEASURING OVERALL HEALTH SYSTEM PERFORMANCE FOR 191 COUNTRIES

for data that is actually relevant.

PS - It is with great shame that I have to admit that Canada just barely makes the list in the first linked article and that it only ranks as #27 in the second linked article. Obviously the two studies use different criteria. The US, of course, is ranked as #1 in both - right?
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Why do 50,000 Canadians a year come to The United Staes for healthcare?
 
apdst said:
Why do 50,000 Canadians a year come to The United Staes for healthcare?
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Because they have the money to pay to get something that they want.

Obviously you didn't read either of the two articles. Those articles deal with the healthcare SYSTEMS of many countries and rank them. Which SYSTEM ranks closer to #1 - the Canadian one or the American one?

PS - Did you know that there are no actual statistics on how many Canadians leave Canada for medical treatment or on where they go to receive it or on what treatments they receive or on why they went where they did to get what they got?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Because they have the money to pay to get something that they want.

Obviously you didn't read either of the two articles. Those articles deal with the healthcare SYSTEMS of many countries and rank them. Which SYSTEM ranks closer to #1 - the Canadian one or the American one?

PS - Did you know that there are no actual statistics on how many Canadians leave Canada for medical treatment or on where they go to receive it or on what treatments they receive or on why they went where they did to get what they got?
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More like, they pay to get something better.
 
the more i read about the issue, the more i support banning private prisons of any kind. too much of a conflict of interest.
 
apdst said:
More like, they pay to get something better.
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Thank you for your usual lucid and well informed opinion.

Did you know that one (for example) heart bypass operation that is 100% successful is indistinguishable from another regardless of which country they are performed in.

PS - Since there are no actual statistics on how many Canadians leave Canada for medical treatment or on where they go to receive it or on what treatments they receive or on why they went where they did to get what they got, would you please be so kind as to provide a link to the reputable source from which you got the data to reach the conclusion which I have to admit is as well founded as the vast majority of your conclusions are?
 
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