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Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Moscow project, BuzzFeed report says

Khalix said:
And we should trust Cohen as to confirming the sources? Sorry he’s a liar and trying to reduce his prison sentence.
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You've got it bassackwards. I don't believe you understand how it works. Other sources (plural) will corroborate Cohen's testimony, or not.

In all likelihood, Mueller's team already had the corroborating information from various sources. When Cohen testified that Trump told him to lie to Congress, the information Mueller had proved Cohen's testimony to be credible.
 
Cardinal said:
Well right now the public is listening to or reading these reactions and thinking, "Why doesn't he just deny it?" and are arriving at their own conclusions as a result.
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And I care what those idiots think, why?

FFS! Even Schiff for brains isn't asserting this is true.
 
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Conservative said:
then you understand that Cohen's name is in the topic?
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I see. Let me give you an analogy. Weatherman says that there is going to be bad weather. Ends up being good weather.

Conservative: The weather is a lying sack of crap.

:mrgreen:
 
Mach said:
So you have nothing to refute what I wrote, you can flail in defeat, it's not becoming but that's your call.
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What you stated is inconclusive at best. When the President uses Executive Privilege to hide documents about a subject being investigated, that's makes it really hard to know for sure. Holder was a swine that did everything he could to cover Obama's ass while he was AG.
 
danarhea said:
I see. Let me give you an analogy. Weatherman says that there is going to be bad weather. Ends up being good weather.

Conservative: The weather is a lying sack of crap.

:mrgreen:
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So as the Founder of the Thread do you believe that Cohen was directed to lie to Congress and if so where is the evidence?
 
American said:
What you stated is inconclusive at best.
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471 pages detailing the thorough investigation of the body designed specifically to investigate this sort of thing gives you its conclusion.
You say it's inconclusive at best.

Why do you do it. Was it Hillary's deplorable remark that right wing media blared over and over to you? Still salty about that so you're gonna burn it all down and ruin reputations with nonsense for the next few decades?
 
danarhea said:
As for number 3, it's not illegal to do business with Russia. However, it IS a crime to lie about it to Congress. And, as for number 4, the article is not based on anything Cohen said, but on investigators who claim to have seen emails, as well as other data, including phone recoreds and transcripts. Putting it on Cohen alone is just another pathetic attempt to spin this.

However, I will give you 1 and 2, which is why I began my OP commentary with "if true". At this time, I am taking a wait and see approach. I suspect that I will doing more seeing than waiting.
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It's based on anonymous sources
 
Conservative said:
So as the Founder of the Thread do you believe that Cohen was directed to lie to Congress and if so where is the evidence?
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My first words were "if true". I posted this thread for speculation and fun. Now, for the umpteenth time, Cohen is not the source of the article, but supposedly several sources from inside Trump's organization, who all verify that Cohen changed his testimony AFTER Mueller showed him emails, text messages, and other data, which showed that Cohen had been holding back. Again, the topic here is the emails, text messages, other witnesses, and other information which made Cohen change his mind about what he had previously testified to. Is Cohen a liar? Of course he is, but emails, text messages, and other data don't lie. THOSE are the topic, not Cohen. Again, if true, will will learn of this when Mueller releases his final report. No need to panic and lie about it yet. LOL.
 
bongsaway said:
I honestly don't get trump supporters. He lies in abundance and his supporters then try to convince everyone else what he actually meant when he lied. I have eyes, I have ears, I can actually see our president when he says the things he does, I don't need an interpreter. Then we have the truth, which isn't the truth according to rudy. Even the things that our president lies about and can be proven to be false, trump supporters believe.

How many lies does it take for folks to stop supporting this serial liar?
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If they still support trump at this point of the game, that shows that no amount of lying will ever sway them to depart their leader. There will be two types of trump supporters soon though: the ones who pretend that they never liked trump just didnt want Hillary to win. And those who will turn this all into a giant conspiracy theory. You can easily determine which type of trump supporter will be which, just by talking to them.
 
Fenton said:
It's based on anonymous sources
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There is a hearing before the supreme court today, in which SCOTUS is deciding whether or not a Russian company should turn over it's records to Mueller. As far as the public is concerned, everything is anonymous. Does that mean that today's hearing does not exist? If the Buzzfeed report is true, we will be hearing about it when Mueller issues his final report.
 
Lutherf said:
There is one reason and one reason only that we're being bombarded with these stories today and that is because the Democrats are starting to think Trump may be winning the shutdown standoff. It's been the MO of the Democrats and their media propaganda arm since day one. Every time Trump takes a step up they bombard the airwaves with speculation about horrible "crimes" that he committed or that were committed on his behalf. To date, not one of them has come to be anything close to the way it was advertised but it does serve to distract from anything good he does.

This is "Wag the Dog" in real life.
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And there you go with the truther behavior again.
 
Cardinal said:
One of the first signs that somebody is guilty or lying is they attack the source or the evidence rather than deny the accusation...
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i've said that a million times. it's what mob lawyers do.
 
CaughtInThe said:
i've said that a million times. it's what mob lawyers do.
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Mueller knows how to deal with the Mob. He starts with the little fish and works up to the big fish. That's how he brought down John Gotti.
 
American said:
The Left has no rebuttal except to be galactic hypocrites, who call others out for the unimaginably nefarious deeds they've already done themselves.
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and yet, in a court of law, you can't use the "Well Johnny broke the law too" defense.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
If they still support trump at this point of the game, that shows that no amount of lying will ever sway them to depart their leader. There will be two types of trump supporters soon though: the ones who pretend that they never liked trump just didnt want Hillary to win. And those who will turn this all into a giant conspiracy theory. You can easily determine which type of trump supporter will be which, just by talking to them.
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Donald Trump said over and over that if we voted for Hillary Clinton we would be stuck with a criminal president and I guess he was right. I voted for Hillary and now we are stuck with a criminal president.
 
Conservative said:
That certainly is your biased partisan hatred for Trump opinion that ignores the 8 years of Obama and the lies and distortions that affected EVERY AMERICAN. Nothing Trump supposedly did affects you, your family, or the country. You really need to focus on what is important and certainly not conspiracy theories. Getting rid of Trump affects you how?
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uh. like the first four things Trump did can affect millions...

- Requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emissions leaks
- Rule that limits toxic emissions from industrial facilities
- Rule that prohibits hydrofluorocarbons as replacements for ozone-depleting compounds
- Proposed rule to reduce air pollutants from sewage treatment plants
 
CaughtInThe said:
uh. like the first four things Trump did can affect millions...

- Requirement for oil and gas companies to report methane emissions leaks
- Rule that limits toxic emissions from industrial facilities
- Rule that prohibits hydrofluorocarbons as replacements for ozone-depleting compounds
- Proposed rule to reduce air pollutants from sewage treatment plants
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Do you realize that states have their own EPA dept?

So EPA is important to you, why? Let your state handle it. You going to get China, India and Russia to comply? But what does this have to do with the thread topic
 
danarhea said:
Mueller knows how to deal with the Mob. He starts with the little fish and works up to the big fish. That's how he brought down John Gotti.
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yep. it's why he's taking his time doing this thing the right way and a step at a time. Trump supporters want him to rush (to just get it over with and potentially present his case before it's ready) but i want him to get the facts straight (no matter how much time it takes and who else it affects).

and, after watching how professional he is, i think i want Mueller as our president. i probably won't agree with him on a lot of stuff but to me he's kind of earned the right.
 
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Conservative said:
Do you realize that states have their own EPA dept?

So EPA is important to you, why? Let your state handle it. You going to get China, India and Russia to comply? But what does this have to do with the thread topic
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your post is a total dodge. i guess you realize you are wrong.
 
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holbritter said:
It really is fascinating how people can now believe someone they constantly called a liar previously. If next month he says he lied about lying, would you believe him then as well?

I too will wait for Mueller's report. All these 'news' headlines mean nothing anymore.
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Yes as Trump so clearly stated Cohen is a "rat". Informers ratting on their boss are the bread and butter of organized crime prosecutions so I would not dismiss Cohen testimony so easily. But in this case there is clearly other evidence besides Cohen to back up this claim.
 
Khalix said:
Wish we could but she had her corrupt FBI protecting her.
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You really don't see how ridiculous that makes your "innocent until proven guilty" crap look?

"Innocent unless I need a CT to pretend they're guilty because I don't like them."

And you complain. haha
 
CaughtInThe said:
your post is a total dodge. i guess you realize you are wrong.
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Wrong about what, states having their own EPA? Or wrong about your post having nothing to do with the thread topic? Looks right on both accounts
 
holbritter said:
It really is fascinating how people can now believe someone they constantly called a liar previously.
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If one calls someone a liar, and then they admit under penalty of prison that they lied... one doesn't get to say "I told you so"?

I'm fascinated that you don't see a problem with this person being the President's right hand man. You're claiming he changed? He was a good guy but turned bad? That's what you want us to believe?
 
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