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Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Moscow project, BuzzFeed report says

lurchadams said:
I doubt he'll try that. Lying to congress is a federal crime - there's really no wiggle room on that one.
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Trup only offfered it as a "possiblle option" (which he said was probably the wrong thing to do) but Cohen tokk the bad advice so it's 100% on Cohen and Trump is 150% vindicated. NAILWED you ALL STOOPID LIBRULS! TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF YOU ARGUMENT. MAGA as all **** huh?

You guys have nothing, we have alternative FACTS on our side! Dummies!
 
Airyaman said:
Buzzfeed was already on the edges of reliability. This is a super bombshell story. If they got it wrong, they'll be forever placed in the category of Fake News, next to Gateway Pundit and Infowars.
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I'm already leery of Buzzfeed because of their fizzled Prague stories. Buzzfeed has been trying to break out into respectability for the past two years, and I agree that this is their make-or-break chance. If they eff up this one then this will be their Capone Vault moment. If the story is true then people here will be able to start breaking news MSM threads using buzzfeed as a source.

One (slightly) promising note is that the Washington Post is citing the Buzzfeed article in its "analysis" and "morning mix" sections. True, that's not the same as using it in a regular news article, but this is a lot further than they went with the Prague stories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4fcf2cda002

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...testified-thats-crime/?utm_term=.661aaa7d7285

I'll admit to being confused why this is a bigger news story than when Trump committed campaign fraud by ordering Cohen to pay off Daniels and McDougal. Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator for that. Why is this worser?
 
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Cardinal said:
I'm already leery of Buzzfeed because of their fizzled Prague stories. Buzzfeed has been trying to break out into respectability for the past two years, and I agree that this is their make-or-break chance. If they eff up this one then this will be their Capone Vault moment. If the story is true then people here will be able to start breaking news MSM threads using buzzfeed as a source.

One (slightly) promising note is that the Washington Post is citing the Buzzfeed article in its "analysis" section. True, that's not the same as using it in a regular news article, but this is further than they went with the Prague stories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4fcf2cda002

I'll admit to being confused why this is a bigger news story than when Trump committed campaign fraud by ordering Cohen to pay off Daniels and McDougal. Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator for that. Why is this worser?
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I guess because it is closer to what Nixon did?
 
bongsaway said:
I honestly don't get trump supporters. He lies in abundance and his supporters then try to convince everyone else what he actually meant when he lied. I have eyes, I have ears, I can actually see our president when he says the things he does, I don't need an interpreter. Then we have the truth, which isn't the truth according to rudy. Even the things that our president lies about and can be proven to be false, trump supporters believe.

How many lies does it take for folks to stop supporting this serial liar?
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Well he does stumble upon the truth inadvertently from time to time through no fault of his own, and those rare occasions are what they cling to...
 
Airyaman said:
I guess because it is closer to what Nixon did?
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I understand the importance of precedent, but crimes are crimes. Even Nixon had to set new precedent, and there's no reason why campaign fraud can't be one such new precedent. Both campaign fraud and suborning of perjury have to be charges in an impeachment trial.
 
A relevant question at this point is, will Trump rescind Barr as his nominee choice? And can he do that even if he wanted to?
 
The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents. Cohen then acknowledged those instructions during his interviews with that office.
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Hard evidence is the bombshell here.
 
Cardinal said:
Who wants to bet that after every trump supporter has performed their obligatory dismissal of this story, Giuliani will go on tv and say that there's nothing wrong with trump ordering Cohen to lie to Congress?
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Wait, you man he hasn't yet???
 
Lutherf said:
There is one reason and one reason only that we're being bombarded with these stories today and that is because the Democrats are starting to think Trump may be winning the shutdown standoff. It's been the MO of the Democrats and their media propaganda arm since day one. Every time Trump takes a step up they bombard the airwaves with speculation about horrible "crimes" that he committed or that were committed on his behalf. To date, not one of them has come to be anything close to the way it was advertised but it does serve to distract from anything good he does.

This is "Wag the Dog" in real life.
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That's not even close to reality. The majority of Americans believe that Trump is responsible for this shutdown, mainly because he stated it clearly on camera live in the Oval Office that he is. I bet he regrets doing that.

This breaking news by BuzzFeed is startling for sure, but until it's verified by other sources, I'll withhold my final judgement. But this is not looking good for Trump, Don Jr. or Ivanka.
 
lurchadams said:
I doubt he'll try that. Lying to congress is a federal crime - there's really no wiggle room on that one.
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And yet they lie to us every minute of every day...

Does that seem right to you???
 
GDViking said:
Wait, you man he hasn't yet???
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Yeah he sort of has already. Giuliani’s response to Buzzfeed story: “If you believe Cohen I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.”
 
Has the WH responded yet?
 
Parrish said:
Has the WH responded yet?
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Not to my knowledge, but a non-denial-denial can be expected, I think. Something along the lines of "The accusation is disgusting and Buzzfeed is a joke of a newspaper." In other words, all attack, no denial.
 
markjs said:
Trup only offfered it as a "possiblle option" (which he said was probably the wrong thing to do) but Cohen tokk the bad advice so it's 100% on Cohen and Trump is 150% vindicated. NAILWED you ALL STOOPID LIBRULS! TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF YOU ARGUMENT. MAGA as all **** huh?

You guys have nothing, we have alternative FACTS on our side! Dummies!
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Whoa, dude! Way to channel right-wing nut-baggery! You had me fooled for a second, good job!
 
GDViking said:
And yet they lie to us every minute of every day...

Does that seem right to you???
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No, it doesn't seem, "right" but believe it or not, just lying to the American people as president is not a crime. Lying to congress is.
 
Cardinal said:
I'm already leery of Buzzfeed because of their fizzled Prague stories. Buzzfeed has been trying to break out into respectability for the past two years, and I agree that this is their make-or-break chance. If they eff up this one then this will be their Capone Vault moment. If the story is true then people here will be able to start breaking news MSM threads using buzzfeed as a source.

One (slightly) promising note is that the Washington Post is citing the Buzzfeed article in its "analysis" and "morning mix" sections. True, that's not the same as using it in a regular news article, but this is a lot further than they went with the Prague stories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...e-trump/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d4fcf2cda002

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...testified-thats-crime/?utm_term=.661aaa7d7285

I'll admit to being confused why this is a bigger news story than when Trump committed campaign fraud by ordering Cohen to pay off Daniels and McDougal. Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator for that. Why is this worser?
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I think this is worse because it is a very clear violation with absolutely no grey area that even a very good lawyer( who will not touch trump with a 200 foot pole) let alone Julianne and the rest of trumps ambulance chaser clowns can dispute...
 
Meanwhile, over at Fox News...

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All too plausible headlines in 2019:

Nytimes: TRUMP IMPEACHED FOR 68 CRIMES, INCLUDING MASS MURDER AND BEING UNREGISTERED FOREIGN AGENT FOR RUSSIA, TURKEY, SAUDI ARABIA

Fox News: HILLARY CLINTON BOONDONGLE; WAS PLUTONIUM ONE PLOT TO MURDER RICH PEOPLE AND FEED THEM TO GEORGE SOROS?
 
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Cardinal said:
I'll admit to being confused why this is a bigger news story than when Trump committed campaign fraud by ordering Cohen to pay off Daniels and McDougal. Trump is already an unindicted co-conspirator for that. Why is this worser?
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I think the campaign finance charge is on less firm ground, and the association of FEC civil "violations", vs criminal, weakens its gravity further. The lie about it being "about Melanie finding out", introduces reasonable doubt.

Asking someone to lie to Congress, is fairly straightforward in being a serious crime, and it fits squarely into the larger Trump/Russia narrative, and has a mountain of other evidence to back it as being intentional. Of course, if it's just Cohen's word, that would be weak. If there is plenty of corroborating evidence, then it's looking serious.
 
lurchadams said:
No, it doesn't seem, "right" but believe it or not, just lying to the American people as president is not a crime. Lying to congress is.
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Article 8 of House Articles of Impeachment:

making or causing to be made false or misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving the people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation had been conducted with respect to allegations of misconduct on the part of personnel of the executive branch of the United States and personnel of the Committee for the Re-election of the President, and that there was no involvement of such personnel in such misconduct
 
Airyaman said:
Buzzfeed was already on the edges of reliability. This is a super bombshell story. If they got it wrong, they'll be forever placed in the category of Fake News, next to Gateway Pundit and Infowars.
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True, but you know what is telling? No one heard this story and acted shocked...this is exactly the kind of behavior we all expect from Individual 1.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I dont care...Trump was the client, the lawyer was the Officer of the Court....the tail does not wag the dog and if it does it is the dogs fault.
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No, you don't understand. It's literally a crime to do that. Even if you're directing a lawyer to do it.
 
Deuce said:
No, you don't understand. It's literally a crime to do that. Even if you're directing a lawyer to do it.
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No, ordering somebody to commit a crime is not a crime. This is why there has never been a successful conviction of a mob boss in all of history.
 
Mach said:
I think the campaign finance charge is on less firm ground, and the association of FEC civil "violations", vs criminal, weakens its gravity further. The lie about it being "about Melanie finding out", introduces reasonable doubt.

Asking someone to lie to Congress, is fairly straightforward in being a serious crime, and it fits squarely into the larger Trump/Russia narrative, and has a mountain of other evidence to back it as being intentional. Of course, if it's just Cohen's word, that would be weak. If there is plenty of corroborating evidence, then it's looking serious.
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From what I've read, campaign finance charge is a virtual slam dunk and civil charges is how the right went after and got Clinton

to be required to testify. That's what one could call...right wing gravity. Plus it wasn't Cohen who spilled the beans.
 
Mach said:
I think the campaign finance charge is on less firm ground, and the association of FEC civil "violations", vs criminal, weakens its gravity further. The lie about it being "about Melanie finding out", introduces reasonable doubt.

Asking someone to lie to Congress, is fairly straightforward in being a serious crime, and it fits squarely into the larger Trump/Russia narrative, and has a mountain of other evidence to back it as being intentional. Of course, if it's just Cohen's word, that would be weak. If there is plenty of corroborating evidence, then it's looking serious.
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BuzzFeed says that they just didn't rely on Cohen's testimony. And then there's Weiselberg and other documents relating to the Russian deal.
 
Verax said:
Hard evidence is the bombshell here.
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Yeah, if Buzzfeed's sources are accurate, that's really the end of the road for President Donald Trump.

Which is about the craziest sentence I've ever written in my life.

Cardinal said:
A relevant question at this point is, will Trump rescind Barr as his nominee choice? And can he do that even if he wanted to?
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Yeah he can dump anyone at any time, really.
 
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