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Shocking video shows man punching 11-year-old girl in the face during fight outside mall

apdst said:
He didn't attack her.
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Well then, that's a different story than the O/P has purported.
Does anyone have a link other than the O/P's 40 second video?
 
apdst said:
Ok, tell us what you would have done different.
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What I do in pretty much every situation that I may face in real life. Attempt to de escalate the situation and if all else fails remove myself from the situation. I certainly would not attack an unarmed 11 year old so violently that I knocked her out.

That's just nuts.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I saw this a few days ago.

The man should not have hit the kid. He should have walked away or called the police and then walked away.

However, he was assaulted. He had the right to defend himself, but decking a little kid that is not armed is not called for, or acceptable, under any circumstances. With his size difference all he had to do was to stiff arm her to keep her off of him when she attacked him. He has the right to keep her away when she attacked, but not to hit her and knock her out. The size difference makes the action he took to be over the limit of reasonable action.

All that said, what the hell were all those kids doing there, harassing shoppers that were going in and out of the mall? We used to have the same problems around here until the malls and the movie theaters posted rules about unaccompanied minors and got the police to help out. Now, kids have to have a parent with them, or they're not allowed to be on the property. https://www.shopnorthlake.com/youth-supervision-policy/
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Evening Beau, I agree the man should not have cold cocked the kid even though he was being attacked. He should have walked away and called authorities. Now he will have to face the consequences.

What's going on with the youth Beau? Have you noticed the number of 11-14 year old kids killing their parents, grandparents over things as simple as telling them to clean their rooms or being grounded for breaking the rules? I could list multiple cases last year where youth in this country between the ages of 11 and 14 did just that!

Like you I would like to know why all those minors were at the mall unaccompanied by adults engaging in such behavior. Where's their parents?
 
More on the story....

His attorney, Andy Banzhoff, defended Bell, saying he was trying to help a woman who was bring harassed by "a large pack of youths" at the mall. Banzhoff, in the statement issued late Monday, said Bell is undergoing long-term treatment for a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder. Bell felt threatened and regretted using physical force, he said.

On Tuesday, he declined to say if he thought Bell's brain injury and PTSD affected his decision to punch the girl.
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https://www.citizen-times.com/story...le-mall-fight-what-we-know-so-far/2579864002/
 
Serenity said:
What I do in pretty much every situation that I may face in real life. Attempt to de escalate the situation and if all else fails remove myself from the situation. I certainly would not attack an unarmed 11 year old so violently that I knocked her out.

That's just nuts.
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Yeah, ok! They looked like they were ready to be reasoned with. :lamo
 
Napoleon said:
Why? Because kids like this don’t have parents to speak of to teach them those lessons. They obviously haven’t had “the talk” we hear so much about.
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If the self defense claims had any legitimacy, they wouldn't be followed by "but the main thing is to teach a lesson".
 
calamity said:
lol...why am I not surprised you would defend the brute who punched an 11-year old girl in the face?
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lol...why am I not surprised that you would troll the thread, and deliberately lie about me defending a brute who punched an 11 year old girl in the face?


trixare4kids said:
I hope we can all agree that the violent slob who chose to attack an 11 year old girl made the wrong choice.
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vesper said:
Evening Beau, I agree the man should not have cold cocked the kid even though he was being attacked. He should have walked away and called authorities. Now he will have to face the consequences.

What's going on with the youth Beau? Have you noticed the number of 11-14 year old kids killing their parents, grandparents over things as simple as telling them to clean their rooms or being grounded for breaking the rules? I could list multiple cases last year where youth in this country between the ages of 11 and 14 did just that!

Like you I would like to know why all those minors were at the mall unaccompanied by adults engaging in such behavior. Where's their parents?
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We have allowed our kids to be told that they are entitled to everything. No work required, just get whatever you want, act however you want, do whatever you want, and there are no consequences or repercussions because the government will be there to support you and defend you against anyone that makes you follow the rules of a civil society.

Here's a good example, a 16 y/o kid that called the police on her father because he took her phone from her because she locked it and wouldn't let him see what she had been texting and doing on social media: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uRpeu_1547586406

It's our own fault. And, it's just getting worse. We've even elected a few to Congress this time around - AOC for example.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
I watched that video and he was being charged by a fist swinging person who was intent on assaulting him. He was only standing his ground and acting in self-defence because he believed that his life and/or safety was in danger from a person who might have been mentally ill. That so-called "victim" should be eternally grateful that he didn't decide to exercise his 2nd Amendment Rights.

[Written just to save Mr. Trump's supporters the effort of writing it.]
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You know them so well.
 
CitizenBasehead said:
Sure there was follow-through with the punch but even with the video playing at normal speed the punch slower then ****. It looks like a small girl getting knocked down by a love tap to me.
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I box and it looks like he decked her to me.
 
Here's more detail:

"Police in North Carolina aren’t releasing details about the arrest of a man accused of pushing and punching an 11-year-old girl during a fight outside a mall.

According to the Asheville Citizen-Times, police said 51-year-old David Steven Bell of Black Mountain is charged with assault on a female under the age of 12 and two counts of assault on a female. Police spokeswoman Christina Hallingse said two 13-year-old girls said Bell pushed them as well, leading to charges of assault on a female.

All victims at the time of the incident refused transport to a hospital.

The charges come after an altercation outside Asheville Mall just before 7 p.m. last Saturday.

Video footage widely shared on social media shows a man pushing a child. When the child approaches the man, he punches her in the face, knocking her to the sidewalk. Graphic video of the altercation has been viewed thousands of times on YouTube.

The video has drawn widespread outrage against Bell, listed in an incident report at 6 feet, 5 inches tall and 250 pounds, for assaulting the child.

Some online accused Bell of racism. The video was shared by civil rights activist Shaun King.

Asheville attorney Andy Banzhoff defended Bell to the Asheville Citizen-Times, saying his client was trying to help a woman he thought was being harassed by "a large pack of youths."

Banzhoff said Bell escorted the woman through an exit and the kids followed, blocking him from leaving and yelling threatening remarks.

Banzhoff admitted that Bell struck the child in the video "with a closed fist."

He said Bell is undergoing long-term treatment for a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder, and regretted using physical force.

Banzhoff said Bell and his family were praying for healing for "those impacted by this unfortunate incident."

The attorney also appeared to defend against accusations of racism.

"His actions were not motivated by any animus towards the persons in that group. Mr. Bell's belief is that all persons are created equal and that we are all children of God," a statement read, in part."

Definitely not an appropriate reaction. But I like to have the details.
 
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Gondwanaland said:
She didn't even jump at im. She moved toward him. If that's all it effing takes, one could be out in the streets of new york punching every person in sight. Good grief, you're sick in the head.
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First I'd like to say he should not have punched her. But she did run at him with her fists clinched. He punched her before she could punch him. But honestly a 6'5" 250 lb guy isn't really going to feel a punch a 11 year old can throw. He should have walked away. There was a white woman an young child in the start of the video was that his family? Were they being threatened.
 
apdst said:
1.)No, picking a fight and getting raped are miles apart.
2.)That girl made a concious decision to rush the dude.
3.)She was running in there to get some and she got it.
4.) Stop acting like she's an innocent victim
5.) who was just minding her own business.
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1.) yes because i didnt say they are the same i exposed the victim blaming
2.) "rush the dude" HAHAHAHAHA
the girl made a conscious decision to wear that skirt and make out with the guy and go up to his room
see still more victim blaming and there is still only one crime against the guy
3.) you keep setting the rape/victim blaming example up perfectly . . thank you for continuing to prove my point
4.) legally she factually IS the innocent victim unless you have more facts that changes that
5.) who said she was minding her own business . . look i get it, when people cant defend a position people often make stuff up and use strawmen but they wont work. Has always your post fails :shrug:
 
Beaudreaux said:
We have allowed our kids to be told that they are entitled to everything. No work required, just get whatever you want, act however you want, do whatever you want, and there are no consequences or repercussions because the government will be there to support you and defend you against anyone that makes you follow the rules of a civil society.

Here's a good example, a 16 y/o kid that called the police on her father because he took her phone from her because she locked it and wouldn't let him see what she had been texting and doing on social media: https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uRpeu_1547586406

It's our own fault. And, it's just getting worse. We've even elected a few to Congress this time around - AOC for example.
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I agree it is getting much worse Beau but I refuse to take fault for it as what I have supported in the politics would not have promoted such behavior. My spouse and I raised our children in the way they should go and they are raising our 6 grandchildren in the same way and by what I am seeing these grandkids along with our children will be a blessing to society.
We did our part. Now it is time for others to step up to the plate and do theirs.
 
Just from what's in the video I see a whole lot of wrong going on from all of them.

Those girls were behaving like a bunch of violent thugs. I suspect the guy said something to trigger them but that does not excuse their behavior.

I saw nothing to justify him shoving her like he did and that is technically assault.

However when she got up she charged him with raised fists and at that point she got what she deserved.

Everyone should be charged if they have any sense they should then just drop the charges against each other and mark it up as a lesson learned.

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Incredulous said:
Here's more detail:

"Police in North Carolina aren’t releasing details about the arrest of a man accused of pushing and punching an 11-year-old girl during a fight outside a mall.

According to the Asheville Citizen-Times, police said 51-year-old David Steven Bell of Black Mountain is charged with assault on a female under the age of 12 and two counts of assault on a female. Police spokeswoman Christina Hallingse said two 13-year-old girls said Bell pushed them as well, leading to charges of assault on a female.

All victims at the time of the incident refused transport to a hospital.

The charges come after an altercation outside Asheville Mall just before 7 p.m. last Saturday.

Video footage widely shared on social media shows a man pushing a child. When the child approaches the man, he punches her in the face, knocking her to the sidewalk. Graphic video of the altercation has been viewed thousands of times on YouTube.

The video has drawn widespread outrage against Bell, listed in an incident report at 6 feet, 5 inches tall and 250 pounds, for assaulting the child.

Some online accused Bell of racism. The video was shared by civil rights activist Shaun King.

Asheville attorney Andy Banzhoff defended Bell to the Asheville Citizen-Times, saying his client was trying to help a woman he thought was being harassed by "a large pack of youths."

Banzhoff said Bell escorted the woman through an exit and the kids followed, blocking him from leaving and yelling threatening remarks.

Banzhoff admitted that Bell struck the child in the video "with a closed fist."

He said Bell is undergoing long-term treatment for a traumatic brain injury and post-traumatic stress disorder, and regretted using physical force.

Banzhoff said Bell and his family were praying for healing for "those impacted by this unfortunate incident."

The attorney also appeared to defend against accusations of racism.

"His actions were not motivated by any animus towards the persons in that group. Mr. Bell's belief is that all persons are created equal and that we are all children of God," a statement read, in part."

Definitely not an appropriate reaction. But I like to have the details.
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every single one of those were posted already and dont change anything
 
PirateMk1 said:
If its breaking the law so be it. Dont care. The example would be set and those hellions would be hesitant to pull something so foolish again. Which is the point. Why was the law not there to break them up? Where was security for the mall? The point being the "children" should not have been there accosting people in the first place.
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That's another law suit in itself. That guy may sue the mall for not providing proper security

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AGENT J said:
:alertWARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO:alert
https://www.wtae.com/article/shocki...IPGou3rsjzCUqO6k1RsjLZvykbDaMJnn9hOyXR3l7HU10

back up links:
https://myfox8.com/2019/01/16/video-captures-man-hitting-child-in-nc-mall-fight/
https://abc11.com/man-accused-of-punching-girl-in-face-outside-asheville-mall-/5089034/
https://www.kcci.com/article/shocki...n-the-face-during-fight-outside-mall/25914382
https://www.greensboro.com/news/nor...cle_d895b702-4ee0-515c-a35d-278b3e415bf7.html

i searched a lot of links but theres nothing i found that justifies the response in the video. He is 6'5" 250lbs and he knocks out an 11yr old girl.
unless some REALLY special info comes out I hope they throw the book at this dude.
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Of course I would have attacked the guy and try to stop him or beat his ass after the fact but the fact remains what the f*** is she attacking a guy who just shoved her like that... she's charging him like... what the hell is that
 
AGENT J said:
agreed but again thats not what we have currently....
hell it could even tip the scales for me if i had my baby in a stroller behind me and the approaching little girl said somethign like "im going to kill and curb stomp that baby right now" then by all means defend your baby but like you said we just dont have any of that tipping the scales
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She isnt a little girl she is a violent thug who got exactly what she deserved

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HenryChinaski said:
What the **** is wrong with you? there is no excuse ever for what this POS did.
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Depends where they hitting him before where they throwing things at his face were they attacking him he has a right to defend himself maybe that was a little extreme but we don't know what happened before that I would say she didn't deserve that and he went overboard but she is charging him after she had just gotten shoved down and what is he supposed to do I guess he could have pushed her again but maybe this already happened a few times
 
Fishking said:
Nope....nothing there showed anything more than an older and much stronger grown adult losing control of temper.
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He seemed to be very much in control to me.

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Bodhisattva said:
Of course I would have attacked the guy and try to stop him or beat his ass after the fact but the fact remains what the f*** is she attacking a guy who just shoved her like that... she's charging him like... what the hell is that
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oh I agree . . his shove of the girl is enough of a behavioral example to deem him a nutjob so that was a poor decision for sure . . .
she probably assumed that a 6'5" grown as man is not going to commit a crime and just haymaker an 11 year old girl . . she assumed wrong
 
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