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[W:141]******Razor burn: Gillette ad stirs online uproar

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ecofarm said:
Social nihilism selectively enforced.
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Perhaps you can explain how this is so? because my conclusion is that this is not so, and that you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
Perhaps you can explain how this is so? because my conclusion is that this is not so, and that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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You're engaging in social nihilism and anyone but the most ignorant of children is aware one does so selectively.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
Are you going to buy their products?
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No. Dollar shave club makes a much more superior product with a much better deal. Why go with gillete at all? Obviously, they've been getting hammered in the market, which is why they're going this route. They don't care about women. They just pretend to because they know liberals will buy....until they find out it's all a ruse.
 
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ecofarm said:
You're engaging in social nihilism and anyone but the most ignorant of children is aware one does so selectively.
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do tell, how am I engaging in social nihilism? I think my post was pretty universal.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
do tell, how am I engaging in social nihilism? I think my post was pretty universal.
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Look up the word? That universality claim is a load of crap. That should be obvious.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
The message of treating everyone regardless of race, religion, sex and sexual orientation equally and with respect is still to be respected.
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An ironic message from a company which sells gendered products.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
No. Dollar shave club makes a much more superior product with a much better deal. Why go with gillete at all? Obviously, they've been getting hammered in the market, which is why they're going this route. They don't care about women. They just pretend to because they know liberals will buy....until they find out it's all a ruse.
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Neither companies products apply to me as I shave with vintage double edge razors from the 1920's through the 60's with double edge blades that run $10.00 for a pack of 100. Dollar shave club's products can't hold a candle in quality or value to a 1930's replated Gillette razor. Hell even contemporary German razors by Merkur are superior. And regardless I still respect their message.
 
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TheGoverness said:
I get why people are annoyed at it. I don't like it when a company preaches ethical responsibility. But some people have gone way over the top with the criticism. Like it's 'anti-white' or whatever: what? That makes no sense.
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I just realized the potential anti-white thing yesterday when looking up a scene that I was discussing in a different thread. I doubt it's anti-white (really), just that they didn't want to be accused of being racist.

If you watch the commercial, all the bad actions are done by white people. All of the black individuals are either the victim of a white person, trying to stop a white person from acting poorly or acting in a good manner / calling out the bad activity.
 
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j-mac said:
So, what say you? Love it? Hate it? Either way they are bound to make money off it....

The ad...

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I listened to this, and I was not offended. I just find it rich when cynical profit-seeking companies pretend to take moral stances and give themselves plaudits. It's right up there with a used car salesman walking up to you on the lot telling you "I'm not here to sell you car. I am here to be your friend and show you how you can live your life as a moral individual." Perhaps they do believe this is a moral stance to take. I would be far more impressed if their stances were not in the comfortable majority.

I prefer buying products from companies than provide quality goods without heaping on dollops of sanctimony like lukewarm day-old mashed potatoes. Thank goodness for Harry's Razors.
 
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Felis Leo said:
I listened to this, and I was not offended. I just find it rich when cynical profit-seeking companies pretend to take moral stances and give themselves plaudits. It's right up there with a used car salesman walking up to you on the lot telling you "I'm not here to sell you car. I am here to be your friend and show you how you can live your life as a moral individual." Perhaps they do believe this is a moral stance to take. I would be far more impressed if their stances were not in the comfortable majority.

I prefer buying products from companies than provide quality goods without heaping on dollops of sanctimony like lukewarm day-old mashed potatoes. Thank goodness for Harry's Razors.
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They could use their advertising dollars any way they want. They could have continued with the same old stuff. When any company takes their advertising dollars and puts them to social use, that should be applauded. One cannot condemn them for doing nothing out of one side of ones mouth and condemn them for doing something out the other.
 
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ecofarm said:
Look up the word? That universality claim is a load of crap. That should be obvious.
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Why is it crap? I asked for all of us agree, considering how much people go crazy anytime the owner of Chick Fil A says anything.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
Why is it crap? I asked for all of us agree, considering how much people go crazy anytime the owner of Chick Fil A says anything.
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It's crap because you support messages of your choice no matter where they come from. So does everyone. Be real.
 
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HenryChinaski said:
Neither companies products apply to me as I shave with vintage double edge razors from the 1920's through the 60's with double edge blades that run $10.00 for a pack of 100. Dollar shave club's products can't hold a candle in quality or value to a 1930's replated Gillette razor. Hell even contemporary German razors by Merkur are superior. And regardless I still respect their message.
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So, just to be clear, you're fine with corporate businessmen lecturing morality to the masses. I mean...it's not like it's a new thing, but just so we're clear. You're not the one with liberal position. There are MANY conservative business who, I think, would flourish in environment where people respond to controversial moral virtue signalling. Careful what you ask for.
 
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ecofarm said:
They could use their advertising dollars any way they want. They could have continued with the same old stuff. When any company takes their advertising dollars and puts them to social use, that should be applauded. One cannot condemn them for doing nothing out of one side of ones mouth and condemn them for doing something out the other.
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Well, let me be clear, ecofarm: I do not think this is anything more than mere sanctimony. If you are someone who equates opinions with virtue, then I am sure this ad deserves all the plaudits in the world from you. If it works to get you to buy Gillette razors because you believe Gillette is on the side of the angels by merely parroting your beliefs back at you, that is good for you. Gillette gets your money, you get your razors and shaving cream. Win win.

But I do not believe simply having the correct opinions or making self-righteous moral statements in the pursuit of profit makes one moral. It is taking affirmative actions every day that help other people which makes one a moral, decent human being.
 
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Felis Leo said:
Well, let me be clear, ecofarm: I do not think this is anything more than mere sanctimony. If you are someone who equates opinions with virtue, then I am sure this ad deserves all the plaudits in the world from you. If it works to get you to buy Gillette razors because you believe Gillette is on the side of the angels by merely parroting your beliefs back at you, that is good for you.
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A rather unflattering strawman.

But I do not believe simply having the correct opinions or making self-righteous moral statements in the pursuit of profit makes one moral.
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Strawman.

It is taking affirmative actions every day that help other people which makes one a moral, decent human being.
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Platitude.
 
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ecofarm said:
A rather unflattering strawman.
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Note that I said "if." If you do not equate opinion with virtue, then this does not apply to you.

ecofarm said:
Strawman.
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Again, if.

ecofarm said:
Platitude.
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Is it? Is it moral belief via pronouncement* that makes one moral? Or is it moral action? Please tell me, ecofarm.

*Especially a pronouncement for the purpose of advertising goods and services for pecuniary gain.
 
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Napoleon said:
An ironic message from a company which sells gendered products.
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QUESTION: Is their slogan still "Best a man can get."? Those ****ing sexist pigs are hypocrites for putting out such a commercial.
 
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Felis Leo said:
Note that I said "if." If you do not equate opinion with virtue, then this does not apply to you.
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My claim holds, exactly. It's a strawman and that you imply it could apply to me is unflattering. No weaseling changes any of that.

Again, if.
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I made no claim of that strawman being unflattering. It didn't appear to refer directly to me or possible ("if") to me.

Is it? Is it moral belief via pronouncement* that makes one moral? Or is it moral action? You tell me, ecofarm.
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Have you ever met anyone, anywhere, that believed a pronouncement of oneself established fact?

No, you haven't. Admit it. You're proposing and opposing a position you've never seen. That's a strawman.
 
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American said:
So you buy into the stereotype enough to believe that it's mostly true enough to require a commercial.
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If you don't see yourself in that commercial, you are all good.

If you do see yourself in that commercial, re-evaluate yourself.

It's really quite easy. :shrug:
 
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Felis Leo said:
I listened to this, and I was not offended. I just find it rich when cynical profit-seeking companies pretend to take moral stances and give themselves plaudits. It's right up there with a used car salesman walking up to you on the lot telling you "I'm not here to sell you car. I am here to be your friend and show you how you can live your life as a moral individual." Perhaps they do believe this is a moral stance to take. I would be far more impressed if their stances were not in the comfortable majority.

I prefer buying products from companies than provide quality goods without heaping on dollops of sanctimony like lukewarm day-old mashed potatoes. Thank goodness for Harry's Razors.
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Are there any large companies that do not do that?

Harrys Razors has a Social Mission page on their website

https://www.harrys.com/en/us/social-mission

Masculinity is evolving in real time.We strive to support guys where they are, rather than where someone tells them to be. We spend a lot of time on the topic of masculinity here at Harry’s, and recently interviewed 5,000 guys across the U.S. to find out what really matters to them. Turns out it’s honesty over sports. Openness over stoicism. Explore the full results of our survey here. You might be surprised. Or not.
LEARN MORE
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Felis Leo said:
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In your previous reply, you appeared to object to my characterization of one of your positions as a platitude. I didn't deal with that above and it seems that can be a separate point. So, to wrap that up...

If one looks up the word platitude on google, one will find this:
It is taking affirmative actions every day that help other people which makes one a moral, decent human being.
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To be clear, that's not circular logic. That's making fun.
 
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