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Pelosi asks Trump to reschedule SOTU because of the shutdown

Perotista said:
The answer is Tip O'Neil didn't believe we had the technology to make it work. An old argument was SDI can't stop them all. Reagan countered that even if SDI stopped half, that was still better than none and worth it. In the end, both gave in on some of their demands and worked out a compromise. Not all the funding Reagan wanted, but enough to keep SDI alive and moving forward.

As to damaging Reagan, no. Tip and pretty much most Democrats didn't want to do that. I think at the time, everyone on each side realized a successful presidency mean a successful America. Tip and Ronnie would clash over cuts in domestic spending, defense spending and other issues. A compromise was worked out on each. Tip at one point said about Reagan, "I really dislike his politics, but I really do like the man."

I think today, Democrats to include Schumer and Pelosi definitely hate Trump's politics and hate the man. The feeling is probably mutual. Unlike the Democrats of Tip's and Ronnie's era, once Reagan defeated Carter, they didn't set out to destroy Reagan. They did to Trump.
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Wow, thank you. Now I recall some things from the past. Amazing conversation:)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I wonder if this is reverse psychology. Maybe she wants the SOTU to be televised but was worried Trump would cancel so she recommended it be cancelled first so Trump would do the opposite.

Just speculating out loud as I have no evidence to back that up.
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That's not all you don't have thanks for playing anyway.

Trump is finding out Washington turf is radically different from NY real estate. He's only begun to get grounded in it.
 
Idiometer said:
I hope he does. Any rebuttal will tear him a new one. This is HIS shutdown. He said so himself.

No taxpayer money for Trump's wall. Not now, not ever.
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Yeah no wall, and take down all those walls as their immoral. A line in the sand is much easier for the illegals to cross, in fact all they have to do walk over it. With just a line in the sand they can come accross by the thousands untouched.
 
Pelosi asks Trump to reschedule SOTU because of the shutdown
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good. the last thing he needs is more TV time to lie his ass off. let him take his huckster show on the road.
 
If I was the president I would tell her that I don’t have any interest in her wants. Because she isn’t the president
 
j-mac said:
Trump should tell Pelosi to shove it....Not only is he going to give it, but I hope he stands up there and highlights every childish thing Pelosi and here ilk are doing, or shall I say NOT doing about this shutdown....

Sounds like she is starting to see the American people seeing through her's and Schmucky's BS, and are placing blame where it belongs....ON THEM.
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American people? No you mean the noncitizen
 
Atomic Kid said:
If he does Mueller shall then have to subpoena him to see what other recordings he may have made to see what other 'truths' he can learn from them.
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shrug...

Sure. Mueller could do that...if he doesn't mind being told to go pound sand.
 
Perotista said:
The answer is Tip O'Neil didn't believe we had the technology to make it work. An old argument was SDI can't stop them all. Reagan countered that even if SDI stopped half, that was still better than none and worth it. In the end, both gave in on some of their demands and worked out a compromise. Not all the funding Reagan wanted, but enough to keep SDI alive and moving forward.

As to damaging Reagan, no. Tip and pretty much most Democrats didn't want to do that. I think at the time, everyone on each side realized a successful presidency mean a successful America. Tip and Ronnie would clash over cuts in domestic spending, defense spending and other issues. A compromise was worked out on each. Tip at one point said about Reagan, "I really dislike his politics, but I really do like the man."

I think today, Democrats to include Schumer and Pelosi definitely hate Trump's politics and hate the man. The feeling is probably mutual. Unlike the Democrats of Tip's and Ronnie's era, once Reagan defeated Carter, they didn't set out to destroy Reagan. They did to Trump.
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So basically, Reagan and Gorbachev, when they met at a summit in Iceland, Gorbachev proposed the elimination of a complete class of a class of nuclear missile, only if Reagan agreed to eliminate SDI. Reagan refused and left the summit.
Reagan faced ridicule from the political establishment upon his return.
Reagan held firm.

The result: That forced the Soviet Union to keep up with our technical advancements and that resulted in history.

Reagan took the long-term view.
 
markjs said:
No she doesn't want him spouting nonsense, lying and talking about stuff he doesn't begin to understand. Basically he's not capable of delivering a SOU under IDEAL circumstances. So there's that.:lamo
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No, she knows his Oval Office address increased support for the wall, and Her and Chuck completely screwed the response. She doesn’t want there to be a repeat
 
Acadia said:
Wow, thank you. Now I recall some things from the past. Amazing conversation:)
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Reagan had a Democratically controlled house all 8 years of his presidency. Even so, back then democrats didn't just oppose something only because Reagan proposed it or Reagan didn't veto something only because the Democratic house passed something they wanted. Both Reagan and Tip O'Neal never took politics personal. Neither did Byrd and Baker, the two leaders in the senate. No one set out to destroy the other only because they won an election or were of the other party.

Not all things ran smoothly all the time. There were some huge political battles, but none of the animosity of today. Washington D.C. was still a civil place. Debate politics, issues all day long, then have a beer with each other at night. My, how times have changed.
 
Acadia said:
So basically, Reagan and Gorbachev, when they met at a summit in Iceland, Gorbachev proposed the elimination of a complete class of a class of nuclear missile, only if Reagan agreed to eliminate SDI. Reagan refused and left the summit.
Reagan faced ridicule from the political establishment upon his return.
Reagan held firm.

The result: That forced the Soviet Union to keep up with our technical advancements and that resulted in history.

Reagan took the long-term view.
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Yes, pretty much. I think this explains what was accomplished in Iceland.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2006_09/Lookingback
 
TheRepublican said:
If I was the president I would tell her that I don’t have any interest in her wants. Because she isn’t the president
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And Trump isn't king, and Pelosi controls what goes on, or doesn't, on the floor of the House. Trump is not entitled to an invite to speak in the room the House Speaker controls, same way Pelosi isn't entitled to give an address from the lawn of the White House or the Oval office.
 
upsideguy said:
That sounds like a good plan: double down on the hissy fit. You have a career as a political adviser.

Speaking of down...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2593

...and when Trump was talking about 3% economic growth, was there a "-" in front of the "3"?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...utdown-jamie-dimon-next-recession/2580766002/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/us/politics/government-shutdown-economy.html

Um, "Economic contraction"? Isn't that a deep recession.

This is not a winner for Trump. He better find himself and exit and take it.
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Ouch. Even Rasmussen has a -12 point spread on his approval rating, and that's usually the go to by his supporters since the spread is often considerably less.
 
JasperL said:
Trump will have to suck it up and recognize that he's not the only one with power in D.C.
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Which is all this is really about. You don't care about people having to work a long day, or security concerns, you just want to stick it to the President.
 
Taylor said:
Which is all this is really about. You don't care about people having to work a long day, or security concerns, you just want to stick it to the President.
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Checking Trump is not sticking it to him.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
No, she knows his Oval Office address increased support for the wall, and Her and Chuck completely screwed the response. She doesn’t want there to be a repeat
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When you have to LIE right out the gate, welll, we know you have no point! BUt those brown folks are SOOOOOO skarrrryyyy huh?
 
markjs said:
When you have to LIE right out the gate, welll, we know you have no point! BUt those brown folks are SOOOOOO skarrrryyyy huh?
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ABC news poll saw support for the wall climb from 32 to 42 percent. Ten point rise on one speech.

If you think brown folks are scary you should seek some counseling, that’s pretty racist. I do not believe that, why do you?


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EMNofSeattle said:
ABC news poll saw support for the wall climb from 32 to 42 percent. Ten point rise on one speech.

If you think brown folks are scary you should seek some counseling, that’s pretty racist. I do not believe that, why do you?


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Yeah you do, you're just too much of a ***** to admit it. EVERYONE seees that!:2rofll:
 
Taylor said:
Which is all this is really about. You don't care about people having to work a long day, or security concerns, you just want to stick it to the President.
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First of all, you removed the context:

Why is it petty? He can give the address from the WH if he wants, or from Fox News studios, maybe on Fox and Friends! Your argument for it being petty is it's not what POTUS wants to do. Poor baby.... If he wants his big, adoring audience to clap for him in person, totally unnecessary for him to deliver his SOTU address, Trump will have to suck it up and recognize that he's not the only one with power in D.C.
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I'm not the whiny man child who shut down government because some morons on Fox and Friends made fun of me. That's on Trump. And nothing Pelosi is doing interferes with anything but Trump getting his adoring audience with roughly half of it giving him the applause he covets more than anything else in this life.

If it was up to me, no one would be worrying about their paychecks, because I don't agree with shutting down government and putting 800,000 people's financial security at risk for something I really didn't care about the LAST TWO YEARS when the GOP had the House. It's weird how Pelosi takes over and the requests overnight turn into a GIVE ME MY PRECIOUS WALL OR ELSE I'LL SHUT IT ALL DOWN!!! demand.... :confused:
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Possession of testicles is not an argument, nor is you posting a different poll evidence of lying. I posted a poll conducted by a reputable media outlet.
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NO< you CLAIMED a poll you did not post, afaik = LYING.

Is is my fault non white people scare you so? Is is my problem you are so full of fear? No.
 
markjs said:
You are you are just such a wimp your self esteem depends on not admitting it. TYpical anti immigrant conservative. Prolly the kind of guy who feels 45% more insecure every foot you are away from your gun?:roll:
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No, not at all. If I was 45% more insecure away from my gun every foot and hated brown people I wouldnt have visited countries 6000 miles away in Latin America while unarmed Try again.

You are really weird and making assumptions about people you know nothing about

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