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[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Tangmo said:
Indeed and Trump has appointed judges in great numbers who support vast executive powers under Trump or are outright incompetent or dubious at best -- or worse. It is a conscious and willful campaign by Trump and the Right to disable the government or to make it subservient to Trump. And indications that are prolific over the past two years point to Moscow either influencing Trump or directing him or leading him on. Trump meanwhile pursues his triumph of the will against the Constitution.
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tosca1 said:
:roll:

Where are you getting your fake info that they're outright incompetent, dubious or even worse?
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The ABA doesn't much care for some of Trump's nominees, although it prefers the term "Not Qualified"

Trump Picks More ‘Not Qualified’ Judges

More of Donald Trump’s judicial picks have received “not qualified” ratings from the American Bar Association than did those nominated by his four most-recent predecessors in the first two years of their presidencies, Bloomberg Law research shows.
(. . .)
None of George H.W. Bush or Barack Obama’s appointees over the same period fell into that category.
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Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

holbritter said:
What? Who chose Trump over country?
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Who do you think?

Who are we talking about here?


Context, it's everything.
 
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tosca1 said:
Of course.......that's all you can say. You're stumped. :lol:

That's kinda like, the kid's reduced to simply sticking his tongue out.....because he can't say anything else!
He knows he's licked. :lamo
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tosca1 said:
Lol!

You're not getting it. The general can have all the stars pinned on his chest, but that still doesn't change the fact that what he said was simply his opinion! It may've been timely - but it's very much timely now too, to point out to you that the "jury is still out" regarding Trump!

Anyway, I'm not correcting him. I'm correcting you!

You give him as your evidence - and I'm explaining to you that he's not an evidence!
He's simply another American who's exercising his rights to free expression. That's what he thinks.
He's free to say what he thinks!





Yeah, you see all the stars on his chest - talk about being "starry-eyed." :lol:
But, just because of what or who he is - that doesn't make it automatically a fact!






Your irrational rebuttal puts the stamp of........"JUVENILE" on it. And, that's being kind.






Got that.

We know on whose side the hysterical irrationals tend to be. :lamo
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The Putin-Trump-Fanboys-Collusion are dismissing Pentagon chiefs and theater commanders globally when you dismiss the retired Gen. McCaffrey, Admiral McRaven, Admiral Stravridis, General Thomas and the rest of 'em who are speaking out. These four stars retired speak for the armed forces four-stars active duty and retired who are alarmed by Trump and his campaign against the national security of the United States and against USA national sovereignty. They know the campaign is conscious, deliberate, willful and that it is not isolated from foreign hostile powers.

The four stars of the armed forces active duty and retired have known for a long time that -- as Gen. McCaffrey said early last year -- "Trump is under the sway of Putin" which makes Trump a "threat to the national security." Now as we begin in 2019 the Putin-Trump Fanboyz need to brace themselves. The departure of Jim Mattis from the Pentagon was the final and decisive severing of the traditional and historical civil-military relations in the United States. So hope for the best over there but expect almost the worst you could imagine. I used to think sooner or later if necessary and later if Trump didn't try too much too soon which as we've seen now in his national emergency and talk of martial law he's begun to try. So it's now that I see we've pretty much run out of later.

You people over there make the fatal error of not putting yourself into the mind of your opponent to try to see how we think and what we're thinking, to include the why and the what do we do then contingencies. It's the one thing you guys won't talk about because it's your worst nightmare that you can't face. The denial and refusal to face it means you're doing nothing to minimize or preclude it. In pushing ahead mindlessly instead you're only forcing the good guys into a corner rather than engage them at the table. It's because you guys have no table. Which leaves a bunch of guys to come at you from out of the corner to blindside you.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
Boy you are quick arent you lol. There is a new Trutherism out there and a whole new group of Truthers.
The Collusion Truthers. Maybe you have seen them and heard them. Maybe you are one. But you now have a name.
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tosca1 said:
Hahahahaha Bang-on!

I want to give you a like for that, but can't find your post! hahahahaha
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You guys never could collude right either. :lamo

You guys fingerprints are all over the collusion that sticks out and hangs out in every direction from over there.

Bottom line is that you still don't know you can't pull this off. So we're still looking at some hard falls here. :boom

:stars:
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

holbritter said:
No, I don't believe he is choosing the well being of a foreign nation over our own. Now, does this mean I'm a Trumpette, part of his base, a nazi, etc...??
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But you were convinced of that in July. What unconvinced you?

It seems like such a fair question to me, and I don’t understand why you’re resistant to answering it.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Logician Man said:
What does Hillary Clinton, in any manner, have to do with the thread topic?
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Typical democrat whine: I do not want to discuss facts I did not bring up which contradict my opinions, and I do not want anything mentioned about related or similar democrat corruption. I just want to talk about Trump and how bad I think he is.
 
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holbritter said:
If any of our intelligence agencies have evidence that he is a Russian asset, and they have not arrested and taken him out of the White House immediately, they are the ones not worrying about the well being of our country.
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We do have evidence of it. Why you continue to ignore it, is the question.

News flash holbritter, Trump is immune from indictment, how are they gonna arrest him?
Senate won't remove him, so how are they can remove him via impeachment?

And how are they going to get a record of the deal between Putin and Russia? You think they recorded their own calls and mailed it to the FBI?
You do realize Nixon would have gotten away with his crimes, had he not been stupid enough to tape them right? Unless Trump and Putin are incredibly stupid in terms of recording their deals, there will be no smocking gun...

It's up to us to decide if he is behaving in a way consistent with that narrative, or the narrative that he's.....what hobritter? What counter-narrative explains all the mountain of evidence/facts against Trump that are just in the public? None. Except that he's doing things you "like", apparently.
 
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I don't see how this story is bad for Trump. Its more "evidence" for him that the FBI had it in for him from day -365.
 
HumblePi said:
It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.
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Obviously the investigation turned up nothing. It would be pretty horrendously incompetent to find something and let Trump continue on as president.
 
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Mach said:
We do have evidence of it.
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Evidence of what exactly?

Name this evidence specifically please.
 
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calamity said:
Who do you think?

Who are we talking about here?


Context, it's everything.
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If you're going to reply to my post, the least you could do is answer the question, or relate to it in some way.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Cardinal said:
But you were convinced of that in July. What unconvinced you?

It seems like such a fair question to me, and I don’t understand why you’re resistant to answering it.
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Because I've already answered one of your questions, and you have yet to answer mine.

No, I don't believe he is choosing the well being of a foreign nation over our own. Now, does this mean I'm a Trumpette, part of his base, a nazi, etc...??
 
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holbritter said:
Because I've already answered one of your questions, and you have yet to answer mine.

No, I don't believe he is choosing the well being of a foreign nation over our own. Now, does this mean I'm a Trumpette, part of his base, a nazi, etc...??
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I don't know if you're a "trumpette" and I don't see what that has to do with anything, and that really isn't interesting to me anyway. My interest lies predominantly in why you would go from "convinced" to "unconvinced" between July and now. That specific shift and the reason for it is my interest.
 
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Mach said:
We do have evidence of it. Why you continue to ignore it, is the question.

News flash holbritter, Trump is immune from indictment, how are they gonna arrest him?
Senate won't remove him, so how are they can remove him via impeachment?

And how are they going to get a record of the deal between Putin and Russia? You think they recorded their own calls and mailed it to the FBI?
You do realize Nixon would have gotten away with his crimes, had he not been stupid enough to tape them right? Unless Trump and Putin are incredibly stupid in terms of recording their deals, there will be no smocking gun...

It's up to us to decide if he is behaving in a way consistent with that narrative, or the narrative that he's.....what hobritter? What counter-narrative explains all the mountain of evidence/facts against Trump that are just in the public? None. Except that he's doing things you "like", apparently.
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He is NOT immune from indictment, especially if he is a Russian asset who is secretly collecting and reporting information on the activities, movements, and plans of the US to Russia/Putin.

I'm not saying he's not guilty of ****, so stop pretending that's what I'm doing.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-gr...counterintelligence-threat?platform=hootsuite

The New York Times reported on Jan. 11 that the FBI “began investigating whether President Trump had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests” soon after Trump fired FBI Director James Comey in May 2017. In other words, the FBI opened a counterintelligence investigation on the president.

If the story is accurate, then what the FBI did was unprecedented and possibly—I emphasize possibly, since many relevant facts are not included in the Times reporting—an overstep, or at least imprudent. The reason the FBI step might have been imprudent is that it was premised on an inversion of the normal assumptions of Article II of the Constitution.
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An interesting read that examines a few points of circular logic within the FBI.
 
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marke said:
Typical democrat whine: I do not want to discuss facts I did not bring up which contradict my opinions, and I do not want anything mentioned about related or similar democrat corruption. I just want to talk about Trump and how bad I think he is.
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Typical deflection. I do not want to address the thread topic, so I try to derail it by introducing something that has ZERO to do with the thread topic.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Samhain said:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-gr...counterintelligence-threat?platform=hootsuite



An interesting read that examines a few points of circular logic within the FBI.
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First of it's an opinion about a story really and not a 'story' in itself. The Times story indicated that the FBI had already opened a counter-intelligence investigation into the Russian hacking and interference operation and was investigating 4 Trump campaign associates who had apparently had contacts with Russian operatives. When Trump fired Comey for reasons other than those given in Rosenstein's memo. Which Trump himself said was because of "this thing with Russia". That had effectively kneecapped that investigation by firing the person in charge of that counter-intelligence operation. Given that action and some other encounters with the President had with Comey that he memorialized in written notes about their conversations there was cause for concern that the shutting down or curtailing the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into the Russian interference operation may have the been the intent of that firing.

James Baker, then FBI General Counsel articulated in closed door testimony to Congress how this heightened concerns about national security and the President.

n his congressional testimony, Baker said that he did not discuss with Comey the possibility that Russia had influenced his firing. But Baker met with a group of roughly a half-dozen officials, including McCabe and possibly Strzok and Page, to discuss it.

"Not only would it be an issue of obstructing an investigation, but the obstruction itself would hurt our ability to figure out what the Russians had done, and that is what would be the threat to national security," Baker told lawmakers, according to an excerpt from the transcript first reported by the Times and confirmed by CNN.
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There is also another interesting take on the Times story put out earlier by Lawfare.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell

"What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion? On the New York Times’s Latest Bombshell"
 
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Atomic Kid said:
First of it's an opinion about a story really and not a 'story' in itself. The Times story indicated that the FBI had already opened a counter-intelligence investigation into the Russian hacking and interference operation and was investigating 4 Trump campaign associates who had apparently had contacts with Russian operatives. When Trump fired Comey for reasons other than those given in Rosenstein's memo. Which Trump himself said was because of "this thing with Russia". That had effectively kneecapped that investigation by firing the person in charge of that counter-intelligence operation. Given that action and some other encounters with the President had with Comey that he memorialized in written notes about their conversations there was cause for concern that the shutting down or curtailing the FBI's counter-intelligence investigation into the Russian interference operation may have the been the intent of that firing.

James Baker, then FBI General Counsel articulated in closed door testimony to Congress how this heightened concerns about national security and the President.



There is also another interesting take on the Times story put out earlier by Lawfare.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-if-obstruction-was-collusion-new-york-timess-latest-bombshell

"What if the Obstruction Was the Collusion? On the New York Times’s Latest Bombshell"
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So we have McCabe, Strzok and Page all in on discussions to investigate the president. Where have I heard those names before?
 
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Fletch said:
So we have McCabe, Strzok and Page all in on discussions to investigate the president. Where have I heard those names before?
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Yeah that's what you do when you work in the FBI. You investigate stuff. What did you think it is that they do. Hold bake sales or something?
 
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Atomic Kid said:
Yeah that's what you do when you work in the FBI. You investigate stuff. What did you think it is that they do. Hold bake sales or something?
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You missed the point. Intentionally.
 
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Fletch said:
You missed the point. Intentionally.
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You had a point for me to miss?
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Samhain said:
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-gr...counterintelligence-threat?platform=hootsuite



An interesting read that examines a few points of circular logic within the FBI.
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This report is inaccurate. The FBI began a counterintelligence investigation long before the firing of James Comey. They began the counterterintelligence investigation starting with George Papadopoulos and Paul Manafort when he was campaign chairman. Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller to head the investigation after the Comey firing and this is where two investigations converged.

Where is Trump on the continuum or period of time during this counterintelligence investigation? Was he a 'useful idiot', was he an 'asset' or maybe he's an 'agent', actually doing Russia's bidding? That's precisely what they're trying to find out.

Anyone in the FBI honestly can't do anyting within the Department of Justice that doesn't have ten layers of review. It's not like the U.S. Attorney's office where agents are kind of on their own, start up an investigation and poof..it's that simple. At the DOJ, it involves multiple signature-signature-copy-signature, in yellow, in green, in blue and in red and everybody has to sign off step by step. Imagine what it takes to open a counterintelligence investigation of the president of the United States? If they were wrong, they were dead. But the counterintelligence investigation opened and the counterintelligence investigation proceeded and it expanded and ultimately it all fell into the lap of Robert Mueller. Keep in mind that Robert Mueller was retired, he has grandchildren, he has also gone through prostate cancer, but he came back and he did it for the right reason.
 
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Atomic Kid said:
You had a point for me to miss?
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Dishonest people rarely have a point, they just make a bunch of vague statements to accuse others of wrong doing, without ever being specific enough to have to admit they were wrong. Typical Trump supporter tactic.
 
sangha said:
That actually makes some sense. While it may, on its face, seem counter-intuitive to believe that putin would want Trump to say something that would cause the public to suspect one of their agents to be a russian agent, causing the american people to distrust their leadership does play right into the russians game.

Xelor said:
Red:
Yep.

When one considers the matter and its implications in terms of diminishing US-led Western geopolitical and economic primacy and making possible Russia's reemergence on the world stage, a whole lot makes sense. To wit, Putin had been pretty effectively been marginalized during the Obama years. Sure, Russia remained a noteworthy military power, but that's all it was. It had no geopolitical, no diplomatic or economic stature. Under Trump, it's begun to obtain some, and with Trump's marginal support for NATO, Russia's military significance has increased.
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Blue:
Jesus H. Christ! Only yesterday I mentioned the "blue" bit and today out comes this: Trump reportedly said he wanted to pull the US from NATO multiple times last year. How can one doubt that man is anything but a Russian asset/agent, pawn, maybe clandestine operative, whatever?
 
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