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[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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Athanasius68 said:
So now the claim is that Mueller spent the last two years time investigating Manafort for crimes that had nothing to do with whether he was part of a conspiracy with Russia? That Mueller thought the best way to prove the claim is to first establish that he is a liar? I mean, give us a break.
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Absolutely nobody can say that as it is his mandate.

Along with referencing all other crimes he encounters to local law enforcement agencies if they fall outside his jurisdiction. It's the same mandate local law enforcement would have if they knew you or I were being investigated for being spies or Russian trolls running operation campaigns on the US. If the FBI figures out you and I are also running coke operations on our time away as spies, they could show this this to the NYPD or wherever it is we are and we'd likely have the state levy charges against us too.

That's what's happening here. I would advise all of these men to start telling the truth. No time in prison is worth having a person like Donald Trump pledge their loyalty to you. The guy thinks Alex Jones is doing a good job. That guy thinks there are child actors running around performing state massacres. That's nuts.




Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
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Acadia said:
Stunning that some here believe Manafort being Trump's campaign manager was criminal.
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Anything related to Trump has already been deemed as criminal, as Trump committed the crime of beating the appointed one in in the election, and then followed up that crime with another, thwarting the take over of the government and the nation by the entrenched political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy. This is all heresy to them, a crime against them, and cannot go unpunished, else the electorate will doubt the political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy's place in controlling the federal government. Can't have that, in their eyes.

trixare4kids said:
When will some resisters ever get real?
Manafort was found guilty of 8 charges, (five false tax returns, [one count failing to report his foreign accounts. and two counts of bank fraud] none related to Trump, the campaign, or Russian election tampering.
Now Manafort's legal team is suing Mueller, Rosenstein, the justice dept. There is a thread on this. Read it.

Do some here really think Manafort's legal team would be suing IF Manafort really had more to give to Mueller about Trump?
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The Mueller investigation, aka 'Insurance policy', it's sole purpose was to put political pressure on Trump as well as keeping the electorate's focus there, and not on all the collusion between Democrats and the Russians and the Clinton's and the Russians, and the Obama administration's malfeasance before the FISA court, unmasking, using government power and agencies for political ends. In that, the media's been obediently complicit beyond all expectations. You can see even on this forum how beyond all expectations they've succeeded in this.
 
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trixare4kids said:
It only took 27 pages to get to the punchline. Better late than never for a good :lol:
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Round 27. Knockout. Towel thrown. :stars:

Roseann:)
 
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trixare4kids said:
When will some resisters ever get real?
Manafort was found guilty of 8 charges, (five false tax returns, [one count failing to report his foreign accounts. and two counts of bank fraud] none related to Trump, the campaign, or Russian election tampering.
Now Manafort's legal team is suing Mueller, Rosenstein, the justice dept. There is a thread on this. Read it.

Do some here really think Manafort's legal team would be suing IF Manafort really had more to give to Mueller about Trump?
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Who was the source of those millions of dollars that Manafort failed to report? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin. Who did Manafort owe millions to that he could not pay back? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin again. Manaforts lawyers are incompetent clowns and their lawsuit is going nowhere. Gates has already given Mueller what Manafort would not. He's going away for the rest of his life while Gates will get leniency.
 
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Nickyjo said:
All in due time.
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More conjecture...
:roll:
 
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eohrnberger said:
Anything related to Trump has already been deemed as criminal, as Trump committed the crime of beating the appointed one in in the election, and then followed up that crime with another, thwarting the take over of the government and the nation by the entrenched political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy. This is all heresy to them, a crime against them, and cannot go unpunished, else the electorate will doubt the political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy's place in controlling the federal government. Can't have that, in their eyes.



The Mueller investigation, aka 'Insurance policy', it's sole purpose was to put political pressure on Trump as well as keeping the electorate's focus there, and not on all the collusion between Democrats and the Russians and the Clinton's and the Russians, and the Obama administration's malfeasance before the FISA court, unmasking, using government power and agencies for political ends. In that, the media's been obediently complicit beyond all expectations. You can see even on this forum how beyond all expectations they've succeeded in this.
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Uh...You'll need some evidence for these crazy allegations...You have none...This appears to be written by a Russian operative...The failed blame Hillary and Obama defense
 
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Fletch said:
Not at all. The one who should be pissed at Muellers foot dragging are those who believe Trump is a Russian agent. Maybe Mueller is in on the conspiracy and is simply stalling until Trump and Putin finish their work. Ever think of that?
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No because I'm not crazy.
 
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Fletch said:
You have been calling Trump guilty since before the first pitch was thrown. Hell you called him guilty before the start of spring training. Yet if I ask for evidence from you to back up that nonsense, I am the ignorant and foolish one. lol Thats not how it works. You claim hes guilty. The burden is upon you to back up that accusation not upon me.
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Hear! Hear! :applaud

Roseann:)
 
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haymarket said:
But I bet the definition Putin uses is in sync with yours.
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What definition would that be? :coffeepap
 
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eohrnberger said:
Anything related to Trump has already been deemed as criminal, as Trump committed the crime of beating the appointed one in in the election, and then followed up that crime with another, thwarting the take over of the government and the nation by the entrenched political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy. This is all heresy to them, a crime against them, and cannot go unpunished, else the electorate will doubt the political elite and entrenched federal bureaucracy's place in controlling the federal government. Can't have that, in their eyes.



The Mueller investigation, aka 'Insurance policy', it's sole purpose was to put political pressure on Trump as well as keeping the electorate's focus there, and not on all the collusion between Democrats and the Russians and the Clinton's and the Russians, and the Obama administration's malfeasance before the FISA court, unmasking, using government power and agencies for political ends. In that, the media's been obediently complicit beyond all expectations. You can see even on this forum how beyond all expectations they've succeeded in this.
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Trump has not been charged with any crime related to beating anyone in any election.

No such crime exists under American laws.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
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iguanaman said:
Who was the source of those millions of dollars that Manafort failed to report? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin. Who did Manafort owe millions to that he could not pay back? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin again. Manaforts lawyers are incompetent clowns and their lawsuit is going nowhere. Gates has already given Mueller what Manafort would not. He's going away for the rest of his life while Gates will get leniency.
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Blah, blah, blah, and more conjecture.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Is it merely a coincidence that you don't know how to read. He plead guilty to the above... He was not found guilty of those charges.
Paul Manafort was found guilty on 8 counts
Manafort was guilty of five counts of subscribing to false income tax returns, one count of failing to report his foreign accounts, and two counts of bank fraud.
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Manafort was guilty of Conspiracy Against the United States

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/tru...fort-pleads-guilty-to-conspiracy-charges.html
The two charges are conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice by witness tampering. The first count relates to a wide array of underlying criminal conduct.
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https://www.vox.com/2018/9/14/17860410/conspiracy-against-the-united-states-paul-manafort-plea
Former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort is officially pleading guilty to an eye-popping charge: “conspiracy against the United States.”
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In order to be charged with conspiracy, there must be underlying crimes committed. You only mentioned the underlying crimes and left out the conspiracy charges, which is what he was actually convicted of.
From the DoJ
https://www.justice.gov/sco
U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr. (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018, to a superseding criminal information filed today in the District of Columbia, which includes conspiracy against the United States (conspiracy to commit money laundering, tax fraud, failing to file Foreign Bank Account Reports and Violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying and misrepresenting to the Department of Justice) and conspiracy to obstruct justice (witness tampering).
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iguanaman said:
Who was the source of those millions of dollars that Manafort failed to report? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin. Who did Manafort owe millions to that he could not pay back? Pro-Russian oligarchs close to Putin again. Manaforts lawyers are incompetent clowns and their lawsuit is going nowhere. Gates has already given Mueller what Manafort would not. He's going away for the rest of his life while Gates will get leniency.
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And the witness tampering charge involved communications between Manafort and a russian intelligence agent
 
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HumblePi said:
Literally, an investigation of this breadth and scope would normally go on for ten years or more. There's just so much there to investigate and so many people and companies implicated. Even if Mueller comes out with a report in March, it may not be the end of the investigation, it may only be the end of the Mueller part of it. The counterintelligence investigation may continue for years to come.
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So basically during Pence's second term, or later.
 
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Hatuey said:
Absolutely nobody can say that as it is his mandate.

Along with referencing all other crimes he encounters to local law enforcement agencies if they fall outside his jurisdiction. It's the same mandate local law enforcement would have if they knew you or I were being investigated for being spies or Russian trolls running operation campaigns on the US. If the FBI figures out you and I are also running coke operations on our time away as spies, they could show this this to the NYPD or wherever it is we are and we'd likely have the state levy charges against us too.

That's what's happening here. I would advise all of these men to start telling the truth. No time in prison is worth having a person like Donald Trump pledge their loyalty to you. The guy thinks Alex Jones is doing a good job. That guy thinks there are child actors running around performing state massacres. That's nuts.




Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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Mueller was appointed to find evidence of collusion. The rest is all secondary stuff.
But someone like Manafort isn't more credible as a witness simply because Mueller also was asked to find out his role, if any, in collusion.

Manafort is a convicted perjurer who has NOT been charged with conspiracy in relation to the 2016 campaign. That matters and that counts should he, or anyone else, be charged.
 
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trixare4kids said:
How does the above change what I wrote above?

Try again.
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In order to be charged with conspiracy, there must be underlying crimes. You only mentioned the underlying crimes and left out the conspiracy charges, which is what he was actually convicted of.

IOW, he was not convicted of the crimes you listed. He was convicted on two counts of conspiracy, one of which was Conspiracy Against the United States

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U.S. v. Paul J. Manafort, Jr. (1:17-cr-201, District of Columbia)

Paul J. Manafort, Jr., of Alexandria, Va., pleaded guilty on September 14, 2018, to a superseding criminal information filed today in the District of Columbia, which includes conspiracy against the United States (conspiracy to commit money laundering, tax fraud, failing to file Foreign Bank Account Reports and Violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act, and lying and misrepresenting to the Department of Justice) and conspiracy to obstruct justice (witness tampering).
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This time I have bolded, underlined, increased the font size, and colored red, the actual charges Manafort plead to. Maybe this time you will actually read it and stop lying about what he was found guilty of

Both charges involved actions he took in concert with russian intelligence agents
 
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Athanasius68 said:
Mueller was appointed to find evidence of collusion. The rest is all secondary stuff.
But someone like Manafort isn't more credible as a witness simply because Mueller also was asked to find out his role, if any, in collusion.

Manafort is a convicted perjurer who has NOT been charged with conspiracy in relation to the 2016 campaign. That matters and that counts should he, or anyone else, be charged.
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Secondary stuff isn't less important because you say so. If the FBI finds a guy like Manafort is running a money laundering ring, they won't look away from the fact that he uses he proceeds to fund propaganda campaigns on behalf of foreign governments.

That's nuts. It would effectively prove that Trump really does want a different system of laws for him and his cohorts. You and I wouldn't be afforded this benefit. He said it himself, if he was in power, Hillary would be in jail. Yet... She isn't. Why do you think that is? Do you think it is because Hillary tried to run a pay for scheme and making millions? Or an uranium one deal that Trump appointees can't prove was as shady as their minions would have us believe on FOX?

Get real. Come back to this planet.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
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Fletch said:
Tell you what, make an actual point and we will discuss it. We both know you wont, and we both know why you wont. You cant. Your skill is trolling, not rational discussion. But go ahead, prove me wrong. Make an intelligent point...
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Tons of actual points on this thread, you are being deliberately obtuse and offering up trolling posts, that is why you have no credibility.
 
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Saladin4 said:
Uh...You'll need some evidence for these crazy allegations...You have none...
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Do you deny the plans of McCabe, Strzok and Page? That they did in fact refer to what became the Mueller investigation as the 'insurance policy'?
Do you deny the fact that during the Obama administration there were suspect unmasking of US citizens under government surveillance?
Do you deny the fact that Bill Clinton gave a speech in Moscow with a payment of $1/2M?
Do you deny the fact that the Steele Dossier was little more than the wild musings from a source the FBI called 'unsuitable'?

Seems there are a lot of facts that you deny because they don't suit your political narrative and partisanship.

This appears to be written by a Russian operative...The failed blame Hillary and Obama defense
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Pretty lame, considering the facts. But you are denying them anyway. Living in ignorance is your choice. I chose not to.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
Yes. For crimes which have nothing to do with the campaign.
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He was prosecuted because of his role in the campaign.
 
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Hatuey said:
Trump has not been charged with any crime related to beating anyone in any election.

No such crime exists under American laws.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
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But an federal government investigation was launched because he might. That's pretty clear.

As to any Russian / Trump collusion, no evidence presented to date, because there is none to present. Pretty thin for such a long running, character assassinating, politically and TDS driven narrative. Don't you think?
 
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eohrnberger said:
Do you deny the plans of McCabe, Strzok and Page? That they did in fact refer to what became the Mueller investigation as the 'insurance policy'?
Do you deny the fact that during the Obama administration there were suspect unmasking of US citizens under government surveillance?
Do you deny the fact that Bill Clinton gave a speech in Moscow with a payment of $1/2M?
Do you deny the fact that the Steele Dossier was little more than the wild musings from a source the FBI called 'unsuitable'?

Seems there are a lot of facts that you deny because they don't suit your political narrative and partisanship.



Pretty lame, considering the facts. But you are denying them anyway. Living in ignorance is your choice. I chose not to.
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The What About What About Obama defense...Epic Fail
 
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