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[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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rjay said:
On top of your point, launching an investigation of this nature against a sitting President has never happened. It would not be a decision taken lightly. The FBI would have gone to Justice, presented their concerns, presented their evidence and would have received the nod to proceed.

This was not one guy with a grudge against Trump. This was many top level professionals pouring over the evidence and making a tough, unprecedented decision. The best we have in those roles were the ones that agreed a counterintelligence investigation was warranted.

They made a tough decision based on compelling evidence, we do not have access to.

I say we trust their judgement and hope they are wrong.
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We don't have to trust their judgement. The article expressly states the FBI was concerned in 2017 that Trump was acting not in the best interest of the USA. We can actually look back and see what Trump was doing in 2017 to warrant such a conclusion. About All I can think of is that Trump back then was pretty vocal that Putin did not seek to interfere in the election and the FBI et. al. who said otherwise were wrong. And he was fairly po'ed with Comey and fired him. Is the FBI concerns just sour grapes?
 
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Fletch said:
You have been calling Trump guilty since before the first pitch was thrown. Hell you called him guilty before the start of spring training. Yet if I ask for evidence from you to back up that nonsense, I am the ignorant and foolish one. lol Thats not how it works. You claim hes guilty. The burden is upon you to back up that accusation not upon me.
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By all means , present the evidence to support your claim.
 
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haymarket said:
Because he was manager of the Trump campaign, had intimate knowledge about the campaign, was present in the infamous Trump Tower meeting, had strong Russian connections, had a history of shady dealings, and could be squeezed like a zit until he popped with information about Trump.
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And what were Manafort's charges as they relate to election tampering and collusion?
Get honest.
Manafort 's charges have nothing to do with Trump at all, nor do they have a thing to do with the tower meeting and do not prove Trump worked with Putin to throw an election.
 
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haymarket said:
Otherwise known as American patriots.
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Your definition of patriotism is way different than mine.
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
He has his own time table and answers to no one. That has Trump and his supporters absolutely terrified!
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Well no, he answers now to Whittaker and in a couple months to Barr.
It's not a question of a timetable. It's a question that he has already prosecuted people in the campaign, or worked out plea deals, in which none of it has to do with collusion or some such crime. The theory that he is going to go back to them and suddenly charge them with such collusion type crimes seems rather ludicrous.
 
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trixare4kids said:
And what were Manafort's charges as they relate to election tampering and collusion?
Get honest.
Manafort 's charges have nothing to do with Trump at all, nor do they have a thing to do with the tower meeting and do not prove Trump worked with Putin to throw an election.
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Again, The goal here is to find out the truth about the Trump and Russian scandal. To do that you squeeze the little fish to give up what they know about the big fish.

Surely you understand how this works? :shock: Right? :roll:
 
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Saladin4 said:
trump's goons had connections to Russia...So did trump......
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Ok
The Russians had a strong interest in influencing the election for trump...Who they think is an idiot...But a useful one...
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Ok.
Some of these goons were open (maybe even sought) Russian operatives to spread false information, hack into the DNC
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This is where I have to stop you. The only real crime that I have seen is the hacking of the DNC and Podesta. I have seen no evidence and I dont think I have heard anyone credibly accuse Trump or anyone associated with him having any role in that.
...trump surely new of this and approved it....
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If the Russians did it, why would they need trumps approval? But yes, I agree. If evidence comes out that Trump was involved in any way with the hacking, then he is toast and he should be. But like I said, Ive not heard anyone make that charge.
That is the very least...trump working as an operative for Russia?.....Who knows? The FBI certainly thought so, and maybe still does...I can guarantee Team Mueller knows...Stay tuned....
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I brought this point up earlier. If Trump is truly an 'operative for Russia' then ever second he remains in office damages this country. There is no time to wait and Mueller is grossly incompetent to take this long to uncover the facts. Trump is starting year 3 as president. If he IS a russian operative and Mueller hasnt uncovered that fact, Mueller should be fired immediately.

But I want to thank you for at least answering the question. You might be the first person to actually do so. I know we dont often agree but i appreciate the honest reply.
 
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trixare4kids said:
Your definition of patriotism is way different than mine.
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But I bet the definition Putin uses is in sync with yours.
 
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HumblePi said:
I'm really enjoying my Fletch silence, anyone else?
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I miss you so... But I am sure the Borg will send a replacement before too long. Maybe your replacement will actually be able to handle a direct question rather than run away. Is there a Borg suggestion line where I can put in such a request? Oops, there I go asking questions again.
 
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NeverTrumpGOP said:
He has his own time table and answers to no one. That has Trump and his supporters absolutely terrified!
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Not at all. The one who should be pissed at Muellers foot dragging are those who believe Trump is a Russian agent. Maybe Mueller is in on the conspiracy and is simply stalling until Trump and Putin finish their work. Ever think of that?
 
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haymarket said:
Of course Manafort was prosecuted because of his involvement in the Trump campaign. That is the point and that is the connection to the campaign.
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Yes. For crimes which have nothing to do with the campaign.
 
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Fletch said:
OkOk.This is where I have to stop you. The only real crime that I have seen is the hacking of the DNC and Podesta. I have seen no evidence and I dont think I have heard anyone credibly accuse Trump or anyone associated with him having any role in that. If the Russians did it, why would they need trumps approval? But yes, I agree. If evidence comes out that Trump was involved in any way with the hacking, then he is toast and he should be. But like I said, Ive not heard anyone make that charge. I brought this point up earlier. If Trump is truly an 'operative for Russia' then ever second he remains in office damages this country. There is no time to wait and Mueller is grossly incompetent to take this long to uncover the facts. Trump is starting year 3 as president. If he IS a russian operative and Mueller hasnt uncovered that fact, Mueller should be fired immediately.

But I want to thank you for at least answering the question. You might be the first person to actually do so. I know we dont often agree but i appreciate the honest reply.
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Terrific point. Yet there are so many never-Trumpers out there who truly believe that if Mueller can squeeze just one more person, they'll have evidence.
The fact that Mueller's investigation has gone on this long tells me they don't have high crimes.
 
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haymarket said:
Again, The goal here is to find out the truth about the Trump and Russian scandal. To do that you squeeze the little fish to give up what they know about the big fish.

Surely you understand how this works? :shock: Right? :roll:
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You question is dumb.
Time for some Trump resisters to learn they can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
While it has been proven Manafort committed some crimes, none have been found to be connected to Trump or his campaign.
 
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sangha said:
And conspiracy against the US for a conspiracy that involved russian agents
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I don't know how else it can be said, so I'll try it in caps:

NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN.
 
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trixare4kids said:
You question is dumb.
Time for some Trump resisters to learn they can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.
While it has been proven Manafort committed some crimes, none have been found to be connected to Trump or his campaign.
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Stunning that some here believe Manafort being Trump's campaign manager was criminal.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
I don't know how else it can be said, so I'll try it in caps:

NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CAMPAIGN.
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Yes, the campaign mgr had nothing to do with the campaign :roll:
 
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jimbo said:
And when will this proof be publicly revealed? Seems like 2 years ought to be enough time.
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Literally, an investigation of this breadth and scope would normally go on for ten years or more. There's just so much there to investigate and so many people and companies implicated. Even if Mueller comes out with a report in March, it may not be the end of the investigation, it may only be the end of the Mueller part of it. The counterintelligence investigation may continue for years to come.
 
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When will some resisters ever get real?
Manafort was found guilty of 8 charges, (five false tax returns, [one count failing to report his foreign accounts. and two counts of bank fraud] none related to Trump, the campaign, or Russian election tampering.
Now Manafort's legal team is suing Mueller, Rosenstein, the justice dept. There is a thread on this. Read it.

Do some here really think Manafort's legal team would be suing IF Manafort really had more to give to Mueller about Trump?
 
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trixare4kids said:
When will some resisters ever get real?
Manafort was found guilty of 8 charges, (five false tax returns, [one count failing to report his foreign accounts. and two counts of bank fraud] none related to Trump, the campaign, or Russian election tampering.
Now Manafort's legal team is suing Mueller, Rosenstein, the justice dept. There is a thread on this. Read it.

Do some here really think Manafort's legal team would be suing IF Manafort really had more to give to Mueller about Trump?
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Manafort was found guilty of two counts of Conspiracy Against the United States, for a conspiracy that involved russian agents.

It must be a coincidence that you left those out
 
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Acadia said:
Stunning that some here believe Manafort being Trump's campaign manager was criminal.
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Yes, it is stunning because delusional thinking has now replaced common sense.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
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I'm going to trust the FBI on this , rather than some slobbering partisan trump supporters
 
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sangha said:
Manafort was found guilty of two counts of Conspiracy Against the United States, for a conspiracy that involved russian agents.

It must be a coincidence that you left those out
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Is it merely a coincidence that you don't know how to read. He plead guilty to the above... He was not found guilty of those charges.
Paul Manafort was found guilty on 8 counts
Manafort was guilty of five counts of subscribing to false income tax returns, one count of failing to report his foreign accounts, and two counts of bank fraud.
 
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haymarket said:
How long did that Benghazi investigation last?
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More time was spent investigating Benghazi than was spent investigating 9/11. Of course, the right doesn't understand the differences between the Benghazi and the Mueller investigation and there are significant differences. The Benghazi Select Committee investigation was a congressional probe, while Mueller is a Justice Department-appointed special counsel who is leading a criminal investigation. Trey Gowdy, who chaired the Benghazi Select Committee for more than two years, joined told Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to "finish it the hell up!" :lol:

But the final proof of the pudding so to speak are the results of course. What was the result of the two year long Benghazi investigation? Absolutely nothing, "no evidence of wrongdoing". What has come out so far from the Mueller criminal investigation? 75 combined criminal charges, 33 people and companies indicted, That group is composed of five former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including now all five former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty. There's been 5 guilty pleas and one person sentenced.

One other thing for Trump supporters to keep in mind when complaining that the Mueller probe has been going on for far too long, the Whitewater investigation went on for 4 years and produced nothing.
 
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Fletch said:
OkOk.This is where I have to stop you. The only real crime that I have seen is the hacking of the DNC and Podesta. I have seen no evidence and I dont think I have heard anyone credibly accuse Trump or anyone associated with him having any role in that. If the Russians did it, why would they need trumps approval? But yes, I agree. If evidence comes out that Trump was involved in any way with the hacking, then he is toast and he should be. But like I said, Ive not heard anyone make that charge. I brought this point up earlier. If Trump is truly an 'operative for Russia' then ever second he remains in office damages this country. There is no time to wait and Mueller is grossly incompetent to take this long to uncover the facts. Trump is starting year 3 as president. If he IS a russian operative and Mueller hasnt uncovered that fact, Mueller should be fired immediately.

But I want to thank you for at least answering the question. You might be the first person to actually do so. I know we dont often agree but i appreciate the honest reply.
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It is very honest......trump a Russian operative?...That takes it to whole new level, and that would require some strong evidence I haven't seen or heard....Still Hard to believe some in trump's camp didn't openly seek Russian interference, which they clearly provided....and used that information to their benefit...Equally hard to believe trump didn't know it of it to some degree....
 
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