[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

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HumblePi said:

Nobody knows yet. We'll find out soon enough. But, for people such as you who will stand by Trump even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, it really doesn't matter much, does it? Don't even bother following the story about how Trump may have sold out this country. Don't believe anything even if you see a smoking gun in your hand. This country will continue to go on without your help or support.

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If they have evidence Trump is a Russian asset, are you ok with 'we'll find out soon enough'? You guys aren't taking this serious enough. Forget about scoring points for being right, or I told you so. If what you are saying is true, they would, and should, goose step him right out of the White House. What you don't do, is continue to give him access to the top office in the US.

Which leads me to believe they do not have evidence of him being a Russian asset.

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They better put their money where their mouth is and "lock him up" then, shouldn't they?

What little faith I have left in US institutions will go out the window if this creep of them all gets away with this...

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Xelor said:

The only thing dumber than being fooled is denying that one has been fooled.

When a man deceives me once, says the Italian proverb, it is his fault; when twice, it is mine.
-- George Horne and William Jones, The Works of the Right Reverend George Horne, Vol. 3​

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And yet look at how many in the Upper Ranks are self deluded!

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Abbazorkzog said:

They better put their money where their mouth is and "lock him up" then, shouldn't they?

What little faith I have left in US institutions will go out the window if this creep of them all gets away with this...

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Your lack of faith in American Institutions is here because they suck, and you are smart enough to know this, and you are wise enough to know this, which is why it is time for YOU SIR to joint The Rebellion!

For the Kids! If for no other reason!

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HumblePi said:

It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

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How quaint the pre-Helsinki world seems now.

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Athanasius68 said:

What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?

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While Comey did not intend to screw the election Putin had every intention and even better success at it than Comey did in his own inadvertent fumbling.

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Hawkeye10 said:

Your lack of faith in American Institutions is here because they suck, and you are smart enough to know this, and you are wise enough to know this, which is why it is time for YOU SIR to joint The Rebellion!

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Nice try, but you know just as well as anyone who's been here longer than two years that I'm on my own side and don't subscribe to this silly left vs. right red vs blue dog and pony show propped up by the military industrial complex through arms dealers and crooked billionaires...

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Greenbeard said:

How quaint the pre-Helsinki world seems now.

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Time Marches.

The NOT IDIOTS adapt.

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Abbazorkzog said:

Nice try, but you know just as well as anyone who's been here longer than two years that I'm on my own side and don't subscribe to this silly left vs. right red vs blue dog and pony show propped up by the military industrial complex through arms dealers and crooked billionaires...

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It is silly to you only because your education project failed along the road someplace or another.

You gotta respect what IS.

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Tangmo said:

That's your strawman question as a card carrying Putin-Trump Fanboy.

This is a democracy which works in ways that are deliberate, step by step and based in the rule of law.

Given your post(s) as a Putin-Trump sychophant who is unable to criticize either of 'em, I like to think of Kelly and Mattis as undercover guys during the two years when Trump was unchecked by Congress and limited to only some small extent by the courts that Trump has anyway been packing with extremist judges who advocate virtually unlimited executive power under Trump.

People who are unable or unwilling to present any criticism of Trump are either oblivious, in denial, or are involved in collusion.

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Trutherism.

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Athanasius68 said:

That does not answer it. What is the behavior?
Here is another question: Is the unelected leadership of the FBI the arbiters of what is and what is not, American interests?

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When it comes to opening investigations into counter-intelligence, yes

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holbritter said:

A. Of course we did.
B. You're right. I did confuse the two.

Ask yourself why this came out now. What's the purpose? Why is it being called a 'bombshell report' when those accusations were being floated around previously? C'mon and be honest. You don't think this media play is to put pressure and turn any public support for Trump and the shutdown around?

Major outlets lead off with this 'bombshell' report and go right into the shutdown.

I know the timing suits the anti Trump agenda, but if you think it's just coincidence that a nothing report (meaning, nothing he hasn't been accused of before) is suspect....:shrug:

The media plays people like fiddles.

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Thanks for admitting you made a mistake. It's a rare quality.

It came out now because of the Times' investigative reporting. It could have been leaked by one of the many high officials dismissed from the White House. Perhaps Kelly or one of the others leaked it. However, I have nothing but suspicion to base that on.

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Hawkeye10 said:

It is silly to you only because your education project failed along the road someplace or another.

You gotta respect what IS.

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Really getting tired and exasperated with this day-in-day-out self-righteous finger sniffing of trumptards and the rest of your ilk.

Really. Getting. Tired of it.

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Abbazorkzog said:

Really getting tired and exasperated with this day-in-day-out self-righteous finger sniffing of trumptards and the rest of your ilk.

Really. Getting. Tired of it.

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Pursue Truth and deal with all the crap that is involved in doing that....Surely you are good enough to manage even this little pursuing the good......

Somebody in your life hoped that you would measure up, I am sure of it!

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Greenbeard said:

How quaint the pre-Helsinki world seems now.

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At least 39% of this country was gullible. They just intentionally turned a blind eye because their fear and hatred for immigrants made them so. It seems that believing they would get a a big wall on our southern border to keep brown skinned people out was enough to ignore all the other stuff. The horrible things Trump was doing on a daily basis that destroyed our credibility around the world and alienated our allies didn't matter. Even if this country's democracy was being systematically destroyed from the ground up, they defended it which is even worse then just turning a blind eye. As long as they got their wall, they went along with every evil thing Trump did and they still do despite the increasing evidence of his treason and treachery. The other 61% of us, the real patriots, lived in a constant stage of fear and amazement every day. The apparent envy and admiration Trump has for despotic leaders has always been a window into his intentions. Admiring them and being envious of their power to claim themselves president for life as President Xi of China did or by rigging national elections to remain in power as Putin did was something Donald Trump wanted.

The fact is, Trump supporters hate us who are against him more than they love Trump.

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HumblePi said:

Nobody knows yet. We'll find out soon enough. But, for people such as you who will stand by Trump even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, it really doesn't matter much, does it? Don't even bother following the story about how Trump may have sold out this country. Don't believe anything even if you see a smoking gun in your hand. This country will continue to go on without your help or support.

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Lets say youre right. Trump is really Putins half brother and the two are working hand in hand to destroy America. Does it not bother you that the greatest investigative body in the history of the planet--the FBI and a special council with unlimited power and resources have, after more than two years of investigation, failed to come up with any evidence that Trump is doing this? Trump is entering his third year as a Russian agent leading this country into dictatorship and where is the FBI? Where the hell is Mueller? Why the **** is Mueller wasting time and energy digging through Manaforts piggy bank while Putin and trump mastermind the destruction of our nation? What does Mueller need? A couple more years? Hell, we could all be speaking Russian by then. If you really believe the Trutherism you spew, you should be furious at the investigators. But youre not.

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Fletch said:

Why wasnt Manafort charged with anything in relation to that meeting?

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They charged him with crimes enough to get him to spill his guts - probably about that meeting, the campaign and lots of other things.

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Xelor said:

People think that counterespionage investigations work like "common" crime investigations -- investigate, get evidence, file charges and lickety-split, it's over. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They take however long they take, which could be years, and there's far more involved in conducting and concluding them than there is in a "run of the mill" criminal investigation. One that involves the POTUS, something that's never happened before (AFAIK), it's sure to take longer.

Why anyone thinks such an inquiry having a POTUS as the subject should start and finish with greater alacrity than those that aren't confounded by having a subject who has the powers, discretionary leeway, etc. reflects such a speculator's utter intellectual indolence and situational naivete.

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Very well said.

Never underestimate the deliberate and willful ignorance of the true believer who simply is protecting themselves against what they view as heresy.

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Rod Rosenstein is about to retire from the DoJ, but said he will stay on until Trump AG appointee William Barr is confirmed. In the normal course of such confirmations, this would take place in mid-February or early March at the latest. This is important because Assistant AG Rosenstein promised to remain in his DoJ position until he was certain that the Mueller report would be finished. This implies that either the Mueller investigation is almost at an end, or it already has what is needed to either indict or not. Trump and his White House are maneuvering to block either the entire Mueller report or make sure it is highly redacted by using 'executive privilege' as their legal weapon of choice.

White House beefs up legal team with 17 new attorneys to battle Democrats, Mueller

White House may try to block release of parts of final Mueller findings

This will of course lead to a legal battle:

Schiff: Democrats will subpoena Mueller report if Trump tries to hide it

During the DoJ Clinton investigation, the Justice Department wrote the rules regarding the release of the findings of a Special Investigator/Counsel.

1) A confidential report goes to the US Attorney general.

2) The US Attorney general then sends a report to Congress outlining why the DOJ chose to act or not on the Special Counsel’s findings.

A very real danger here is SC Mueller recommending to indict Trump, and AG Barr refusing to recommend this course (most likely for political reasons).

Simply put, things could get very messy in regards to the Mueller Report seeing the light of day.

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Athanasius68 said:

What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?

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How about an open and public invitation to our chief foreign adversary to give him illegal help in the election for starters?

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Fletch said:

Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.

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You just did it again.

Again, when you make such statements or ask questions like that, and you often do, I wonder if the reason for it is pure ignorance of how the system works.... or is it some sort of mental block you have because of your ideological beliefs that prevents you from even accepting how the system works .... or is it something worse that is beyond anyone dealing with because the problem is not outer but inner with you?

You know damn well that the matter is being investigated right this moment.

You know damn well that charges can be filed and most likely will be filed.

Fletch, I do not believe you are ignorant nor uneducated nor stupid. Your many posts here demonstrate you are of at least normal intellectual abilities. So I have to conclude this is willful just as it is willful for an ostrich to stick his head in the sand because you know better.

You know damn well that the most damaging charges - against members of the Trump crime family, will come at the very end of the filings Mueller will make because they will be the ones that could cause Trump to completely lose control and fire him. He wants to make sure everything is done before he risks that.

You also know that if he dare to indict Trump, it will most likely be in the form of a sealed indictment for the same reasons as I just have explained.

Intellectually, you know these things or should know these things because it has been explained more times than Stormy Daniels has shown her breasts.

So stop the ridiculous act. Nobody but the willful delusional are buying it.

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Fletch said:

Lets say youre right. Trump is really Putins half brother and the two are working hand in hand to destroy America. Does it not bother you that the greatest investigative body in the history of the planet--the FBI and a special council with unlimited power and resources have, after more than two years of investigation, failed to come up with any evidence that Trump is doing this? Trump is entering his third year as a Russian agent leading this country into dictatorship and where is the FBI? Where the hell is Mueller? Why the **** is Mueller wasting time and energy digging through Manaforts piggy bank while Putin and trump mastermind the destruction of our nation? What does Mueller need? A couple more years? Hell, we could all be speaking Russian by then. If you really believe the Trutherism you spew, you should be furious at the investigators. But youre not.

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You just lied in your feeble attempt to make a point. Just a reminder, the Mueller investigation was initiated because James Comey was fired by Trump who admitted firing him 'because of this Russia thing'. Nevertheless, there was already an existing counterintelligence investigation ongoing before Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel. In case you didn't get the memo, the consensus is that Mueller's investigation will be complete by mid-March. But if it's not, he has until June to do it. That's when the extension of the grand jury expires.

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haymarket said:

They charged him with crimes enough to get him to spill his guts - probably about that meeting, the campaign and lots of other things.

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But if you are so positive the the Trump Tower meeting was proof of guilt, what is Mueller waiting for? It was nearly 3 years ago. We know what happened. Weve known for 2 years. As I said to Humblepi, Trump is beginning his third year. If he is really the Putin agent you believe him to be, you should be furious that Mueller has not made the case yet. Every second that goes by the peril to our democracy grows. You should be furious with Mueller, yet you arent. All you say is 'be patient.' If what you say were true, we would have no time for 'patience.' If Mueller has any evidence at all that Trump is engaged in treasonous activities with Putin he needs to turn over what he has to congress or the press or the AG right now. Right ****ing now.

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HumblePi said:

You just lied in your feeble attempt to make a point. Just a reminder, the Mueller investigation was initiated because James Comey was fired by Trump who admitted firing him 'because of this Russia thing'. Nevertheless, there was already an existing counterintelligence investigation ongoing before Robert Mueller was appointed as special counsel. In case you didn't get the memo, the consensus is that Mueller's investigation will be complete by mid-March. But if it's not, he has until June to do it. That's when the extension of the grand jury expires.

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Im sorry, what was my lie? And why did you bother to respond yet completely ignore the substance of my post?

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sangha said:

When it comes to opening investigations into counter-intelligence, yes

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No. As president Trump is allowed to set foreign policy.
What was Trump doing that caused such alarm?