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[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Tangmo said:
Admiral (Ret.) William McRaven said Trump is the first Potus to "openly challenge the idea of a free press."

McRaven said "This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime."

Trump throughout has conducted a broad front attack on the First Amendment and the whole of the Constitution itself. This is not a random pursuit. It is conscious, consistent, willful and systematic. Which destroys completely the false claim Trump is witless or unwitting. Trump knows that he is doing. And so do we over here on this side.


‘Greatest threat to democracy’: Commander of bin Laden raid slams Trump’s anti-media sentiment

William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, slammed President Trump’s characterization of the media as “the enemy of the American people,” calling that sentiment the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s ever seen.

“We must challenge this statement and this sentiment that the news media is the enemy of the American people,” McRaven said, according to the Daily Texan. “This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime.”

McRaven, who was commander of the secretive Joint Special Operations Command, organized and oversaw the highly risky operation that killed Osama bin Laden almost six years ago.

“To be a good leader, you have to be a good communicator,” he added. “As a leader, you have to communicate your intent every chance you get, and if you fail to do that, you will pay the consequences.” In a subsequent blog post, McRaven elaborated on the threats he’s seen over six decades, including the Cold War, the Vietnam War and terrorism. “In my sixty years, most of the serious threats to our nation have come from the outside,” he wrote.

“While at times, these external pressures encouraged some within our government to adopt a barricade mentality — hiding information from the public, acting secretly outside the bounds of the law, and encouraging behavior that had an extralegal feel to it — never has the government openly challenged the idea of a free press.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ms-trumps-anti-media-sentiment/?noredirect=on


It indeed isn't so much as the government challenging the idea of a free press as it is the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz who have possession of the government who are campaigning against it. Which means their anti-Constitution assault must be met, countered and defeated by those who are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution -- against all enemies foreign and domestic.
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Trutherism.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Tangmo said:
Indeed and Trump has appointed judges in great numbers who support vast executive powers under Trump or are outright incompetent or dubious at best -- or worse. It is a conscious and willful campaign by Trump and the Right to disable the government or to make it subservient to Trump. And indications that are prolific over the past two years point to Moscow either influencing Trump or directing him or leading him on. Trump meanwhile pursues his triumph of the will against the Constitution.
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Red:
in the "Russian compromise" context of this thread, I don't know that I'd go so far as to blame the Right, as a whole, for willfully aiming to disable the government in the same way I would Trump. Now, as I write that, if I'm mistaken, the infiltration is far more pervasive than my worse imaginable fears would allow me to posit or ponder. I do hope you're wrong about the Right being party to something of that expansive a nature.
 
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haymarket said:
Can you tell me how many previous US Presidents were investigated for possibly being agents or assets of our main foreign rival?

And your continual and loud proclamations that the investigations have so far yielded nothing are some of the absolute most blatant falsehoods ever seen on this site. And your continual use of such phrasing only demonstrates clearly just how deep in denial you are.

When we found out the email chain that set up the Trump Tower meeting, even a noted conservative commentator on FOX - Charles Krauthammer admitted that it was evidence of collusion. But to you that is nothing.

That is very very sad that you continue to play ostrich and deny the reality that is so painfully obvious to the nation and true patriots.
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Do you realize that the Trump Tower meeting took place nearly 3 years ago. If that is such conclusive proof, where are the charges? You are a Collusion Truther and deserve the same level of scorn and ridicule that 911 Truthers get.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
So now Trump, the lifelong real estate developer who apparently wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and who has been denounced as using the office to make money for himself, really is all about reducing "Western economic primacy"? Sorry to be sarcastic here, but who writes your monologues?

Moreover, during the Obama Admin:
1. Russia invaded the Ukraine and captured the Crimea. Russia also supported Ukrainian rebels either through the shipment of supplies (military and non military) and possibly through the sending of troops to fight clandestinely aside the rebels.
The Obama Admin refused any lethal aid to the Ukrainian govt.

2. The Obama Admin permitted Russian troops to be sent to Syria. This was a geopolitical catastrophe for the USA which has resulted American and Turkish troops fighting Russians, places an ally of Iran on the Medditereanean, and adds another country to the complicated "peace process."

3. And of course, they screwed with the 2016 election.

Obama did not marginalize Putin at all, no siree bob.
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See posts 23 and 29.

Red:
No, that's not what Trump is "all about." Trump is "all about" making money and self-aggrandisement.

Putin is "all about" what you note; I see Trump as but an instrument in making that happen.
 
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Fletch said:
Thats nice, but McCaffrey isnt in a position to know anything. Do you want to know which generals opinions on this would matter? Mattis and Kelley. If Trump was under the influence of Russia, they would know. The fact that they arent saying it exposes you and every other loon liberal on this thread as the new Truthers.
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McCaffrey fought with Mattis and Kelly in Desert Storm.

They know one another well and for a long time. McCaffrey supported Mattis while Mattis was SecDef.

McCaffrey is significant because he originated the 'Left Hook" maneuver in DS that obliterated 25 Iraqi divisions in less than 100 hours. McCaffrey led the Mechanized 25th Infantry Division on the international frontal sweep through the 25 Iraqi divisions.

He commanded US Southern Command as did the then Gen. Kelly as a successor to McCaffrey.

After McCaffrey retired he was faculty at West Point for six years in global security and strategic studies. He knows the generals and admirals active duty and retired who have a high regard of him. McCaffrey is not only in the loop in national security issues, he's at the center of it.
 
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Fletch said:
Do you realize that the Trump Tower meeting took place nearly 3 years ago. If that is such conclusive proof, where are the charges? You are a Collusion Truther and deserve the same level of scorn and ridicule that 911 Truthers get.
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If Trump wasn't president he'd have been indicted already. He's mentioned in sealed indictments of others as "Individual-1."

I am curious to whether you will still stand behind him if the investigation clearly points to Trump being a Russian asset?
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

The timing of the release of this is suspect at best. What is this 'breaking news' telling us? Not anything we didn't know.

I like how they are calling it an 'inquiry' and how it was 'combined' with Mueller's investigation. Soft sell for something else we also knew, Trump WAS the target of an investigation and Mueller lied about it.


Dont' take this as defending Trump, because I'm not. The intention behind the media putting this out at this time is obvious, and I'm surprised so many are falling for it.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Tangmo said:
McCaffrey fought with Mattis and Kelly in Desert Storm.

They know one another well and for a long time. McCaffrey supported Mattis while Mattis was SecDef.

McCaffrey is significant because he originated the 'Left Hook" maneuver in DS that obliterated 25 Iraqi divisions in less than 100 hours. McCaffrey led the Mechanized 25th Infantry Division on the international frontal sweep through the 25 Iraqi divisions.

He commanded US Southern Command as did the then Gen. Kelly as a successor to McCaffrey.

After McCaffrey retired he was faculty at West Point for six years in global security and strategic studies. He knows the generals and admirals active duty and retired who have a high regard of him. McCaffrey is not only in the loop in national security issues, he's at the center of it.
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So what? That doesnt put him in a position to know anything about what is going on in the current administration. Mattis and Kelley have been there from the start. Are you claiming that these two men know that Trump is selling out the US to the Russians and have kept quiet about it?
 
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MTAtech said:
If Trump wasn't president he'd have been indicted already. He's mentioned in sealed indictments of others as "Individual-1."

I am curious to whether you will still stand behind him if the investigation clearly points to Trump being a Russian asset?
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Of course I wont. The problem is that there is zero evidence that points to that. And which sealed indictment that lists him as 'Individual -1' ties him to being a Russian asset?
 
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MTAtech said:
If Trump wasn't president he'd have been indicted already. He's mentioned in sealed indictments of others as "Individual-1."

I am curious to whether you will still stand behind him if the investigation clearly points to Trump being a Russian asset?
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If they had any proof Trump was a Russian asset, or real information that pointed that way and kept that secret because the 'timing' wasn't right or the investigation wasn't complete, they are being derelict in not releasing that information and arresting Trump immediately. President or not, that's exactly what should happen if that is true.
 
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Xelor said:
Red:
in the "Russian compromise" context of this thread, I don't know that I'd go so far as to blame the Right, as a whole, for willfully aiming to disable the government in the same way I would Trump. Now, as I write that, if I'm mistaken, the infiltration is far more pervasive than my worse imaginable fears would allow me to posit or ponder. I do hope you're wrong about the Right being party to something of that expansive a nature.
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Your subtlties are appreciated so I respect your comfort zone in this.

Yet what we've seen is that as far as the American Right is concerned Putin is the Conservative's conservative.

The Right as we see here and elsewhere never criticizes Putin much less Trump.

We're dealing with the Right/Republican Party here. The Right is the core of it and the Republican Party which has praised Putin consistently over significant time are the concentric support ring around the core. Together they are a lot of people in the United States. Which helps to recognize why we are where we are and have been since mid 2015 when Trump announced for Potus.

Intervention is what FBI has been pursuing here. The Right/Republicans are now upping their opposition to FBI because of it. That's a lot of people over there.
 
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Fletch said:
Do you realize that the Trump Tower meeting took place nearly 3 years ago. If that is such conclusive proof, where are the charges? You are a Collusion Truther and deserve the same level of scorn and ridicule that 911 Truthers get.
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Again, when you ask questions like that, and you often do, I wonder if the reason for it is pure ignorance of how the system works.... or is it some sort of mental block you have because of your ideological beliefs that prevents you from even accepting how the system works .... or is it something worse that is beyond anyone dealing with because the problem is not outer but inner with you?

You know damn well that the matter is being investigated right this moment.

You know damn well that charges can be filed and most likely will be filed.

Fletch, I do not believe you are ignorant nor uneducated nor stupid. Your many posts here demonstrate you are of at least normal intellectual abilities. So I have to conclude this is willful just as it is willful for an ostrich to stick his head in the sand because you know better.

You know damn well that the most damaging charges - against members of the Trump crime family, will come at the very end of the filings Mueller will make because they will be the ones that could cause Trump to completely lose control and fire him. He wants to make sure everything is done before he risks that.

You also know that if he dare to indict Trump, it will most likely be in the form of a sealed indictment for the same reasons as I just have explained.

Intellectually, you know these things or should know these things because it has been explained more times than Stormy Daniels has shown her breasts.

So stop the ridiculous act. Nobody but the willful delusional are buying it.
 
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haymarket said:
Again, when you ask questions like that, and you often do, I wonder if the reason for it is pure ignorance of how the system works.... or is it some sort of mental block you have because of your ideological beliefs that prevents you from even accepting how the system works .... or is it something worse that is beyond anyone dealing with because the problem is not outer but inner with you?

You know damn well that the matter is being investigated right this moment.

You know damn well that charges can be filed and most likely will be filed.

Fletch, I do not believe you are ignorant nor uneducated nor stupid. Your many posts here demonstrate you are of at least normal intellectual abilities. So I have to conclude this is willful just as it is willful for an ostrich to stick his head in the sand because you know better.

You know damn well that the most damaging charges - against members of the Trump crime family, will come at the very end of the filings Mueller will make because they will be the ones that could cause Trump to completely lose control and fire him. He wants to make sure everything is done before he risks that.

You also know that if he dare to indict Trump, it will most likely be in the form of a sealed indictment for the same reasons as I just have explained.

Intellectually, you know these things or should know these things because it has been explained more times than Stormy Daniels has shown her breasts.

So stop the ridiculous act. Nobody but the willful delusional are buying it.
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Why wasnt Manafort charged with anything in relation to that meeting?
 
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Tangmo said:
The Right can't criticize or critique Putin much less Trump.
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I can, have and will critique Putin on multiple fronts. So much for your dumb theory.
 
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Xelor said:
Red:
That remark doesn't even address whether Trump be a Russian asset.
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Only if you wish to argue that Trump being tougher on Russia than the previous admin is evidence of his being a Russian spy.
 
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Fletch said:
So what? That doesnt put him in a position to know anything about what is going on in the current administration. Mattis and Kelley have been there from the start. Are you claiming that these two men know that Trump is selling out the US to the Russians and have kept quiet about it?
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Surely you have a 3D model of Trump's ass to give yourself a place to rest your nose.
 
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holbritter said:
If they had any proof Trump was a Russian asset, or real information that pointed that way and kept that secret because the 'timing' wasn't right or the investigation wasn't complete, they are being derelict in not releasing that information and arresting Trump immediately. President or not, that's exactly what should happen if that is true.
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Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.
 
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SMTA said:
Surely you have a 3D model of Trump's ass to give yourself a place to rest your nose.
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Surely there are cartoons on that can keep you occupied while the grownups discuss grownup things.
 
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haymarket said:
Again, when you ask questions like that, and you often do, I wonder if the reason for it is pure ignorance of how the system works.... or is it some sort of mental block you have because of your ideological beliefs that prevents you from even accepting how the system works .... or is it something worse that is beyond anyone dealing with because the problem is not outer but inner with you?

You know damn well that the matter is being investigated right this moment.

You know damn well that charges can be filed and most likely will be filed.

Fletch, I do not believe you are ignorant nor uneducated nor stupid. Your many posts here demonstrate you are of at least normal intellectual abilities. So I have to conclude this is willful just as it is willful for an ostrich to stick his head in the sand because you know better.

You know damn well that the most damaging charges - against members of the Trump crime family, will come at the very end of the filings Mueller will make because they will be the ones that could cause Trump to completely lose control and fire him. He wants to make sure everything is done before he risks that.

You also know that if he dare to indict Trump, it will most likely be in the form of a sealed indictment for the same reasons as I just have explained.

Intellectually, you know these things or should know these things because it has been explained more times than Stormy Daniels has shown her breasts.

So stop the ridiculous act. Nobody but the willful delusional are buying it.
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People think that counterespionage investigations work like "common" crime investigations -- investigate, get evidence, file charges and lickety-split, it's over. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They take however long they take, which could be years, and there's far more involved in conducting and concluding them than there is in a "run of the mill" criminal investigation. One that involves the POTUS, something that's never happened before (AFAIK), it's sure to take longer.

Why anyone thinks such an inquiry having a POTUS as the subject should start and finish with greater alacrity than those that aren't confounded by having a subject who has the powers, discretionary leeway, etc. reflects such a speculator's utter intellectual indolence and situational naivete.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
Only if you wish to argue that Trump being tougher on Russia than the previous admin is evidence of his being a Russian spy.
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Red:

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Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Fletch said:
Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.
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Here we see the origination of the false 'Russian Collusion' narrative, the entrenched political elite and deep state bureaucracy fighting back against a populist president because, it seems, they feel that control of government and political power should be in their sole control.

Yes, high time that the DC swamp and government bureaucracy be drained. Long over due, and most likely going to take more than a single administration, given how entrenched both are.
 
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Fletch said:
Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.
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And if there is any evidence and they are holding back for whatever reason, that shows they care nothing for the US, but for their own agendas. Makes them as guilty as anyone else.
 
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haymarket said:
Can you tell me how many previous US Presidents were investigated for possibly being agents or assets of our main foreign rival?

And your continual and loud proclamations that the investigations have so far yielded nothing are some of the absolute most blatant falsehoods ever seen on this site. And your continual use of such phrasing only demonstrates clearly just how deep in denial you are.

When we found out the email chain that set up the Trump Tower meeting, even a noted conservative commentator on FOX - Charles Krauthammer admitted that it was evidence of collusion. But to you that is nothing.

That is very very sad that you continue to play ostrich and deny the reality that is so painfully obvious to the nation and true patriots.
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What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?
 
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