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[W:492] F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Wait, are the kids still crying about Comey being fired? Even though it's already been shown that there was no wrong doing when he did so?
Well, that's the desperation of left and to an extent, this who idiotic "resist" group as well.

I'll be here waiting to see if they can actually prove anything this time around. Though I'm not going to hold my breath on this one either.

No wrong doing by who? You need to be more specific.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Red:
A POTUS with Trump's hubris and who knows he's in cahoots with an adversary damn sure would.
  • Look at how monarchical he's been throughout his presidency.
  • Look at how he's directed his rhetoric toward pandering to his base rather than to the country as a whole. His base of conspiracy theorizing and anti-establishment buffoons is large enough to afford him political endurance and let him get away with the BS we've been seeing for three years now.
  • Look at how he's repeatedly attacked the major institutions and bulwarks of our democracy -- the press, the DoJ, the FBI, the intelligence community, the military, and our allies -- yet availed his position to sow seeds of socio-political discord to tear it down.
  • Look at how many people having no subject matter gravitas he's appointed to positions of power.
  • Look at how solicitous Trump's been toward Putin, KJU and Erdogan, despotic strongmen each. And why has Trump met in secret with Putin and KJU? Hell, why did he meet at all with KJU, thus giving that guy stature he otherwise would never have obtained?
  • Consider the odd secrecy Trump has maintained about pretty much everything pertaining to his affairs. When has so much ever been secret
  • Look at all professionals and experts whose input he's rejected and of whom he's declared he knows more than they: generals, mainstream economists, academics, and diplomats.
  • Look at Trump's insistence that his finances are off limits.
  • What have we been hearing and seeing for the past few weeks?
    • Trump's truculence regarding funding major units of the US government, including the DHS, and for what? A frigging wall for which there's absolutely no business case for installing. A wall that he didn't bother to get funded when his party controlled both chambers of Congress, but is now the lynchpin to whether essential units of the government is funded.
    • Is it coincidental that the NYT's article about the FBI investigating whether Trump is a Russian asset appeared literally hours after Trump backed down, somewhat, from his threat to declare extant a fictitious national emergency? I ask because a POTUS obtains vast powers to circumvent Congressional an other oversight units of the government.
  • A POTUS is the one person who obtains access to all of America's security "secrets" and who doesn't undergo a background check.
A POTUS is the one person whose bizarre behavior and remarks, particularly if they have a material degree of popular support, can be gotten away with and framed as politics rather than insurgency.


So now we know the FBI opened an investigation into whether Trump has been acting as a Russian asset. The verb tenses discussants have used, deferentially, imply the investigation to that effect happened and ended, concluding that Trump wasn't. Is that what the FBI concluded? Is the inquiry to that effect indeed over? I don't know. The FBI hasn't commented. Nobody on any Congressional intelligence committee has commented on the matter. We still don't know who that mystery firm is that tried to disregard a subpoena. We have yet to learn what matter pertained to all the redactions in the Flynn sentencing documents. Did the redactions pertain to the counterintelligence inquiry into Trump?


I would invoke Occam's razor here. You attribute much more Machiavellianism to Trump than I do.

I think developmentally he's just a big two-year-old. Now. Mine. No. Waaahhhh. For me, those basic responses explain most of his behavior. Including why he responds most favorably to dictators who can butter him up to his heart's content without having to worry about laws and democratic obligations that leaders such as Macron and Trudeau need to worry about.

The one thing in your list which perked my ears up was, "Look at Trump's insistence that his finances are off limits." Yeah, he might be hiding something there. And there could be some Russian connection he doesn't want revealed. Or it could be how little tax he has paid. Or what kinds of frivolous write-offs he has made. Or how much he has paid himself. Or some kind of criminal behavior he has done in America. Lots of reasons for a shady, careless, impulsive person like Trump to not want his dirty financial laundry hung out to dry where his Bible Belt, belt-tightening base will see what's in it.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Red:
A POTUS with Trump's hubris and who knows he's in cahoots with an adversary damn sure would.
  • Look at how monarchical he's been throughout his presidency.
  • Look at how he's directed his rhetoric toward pandering to his base rather than to the country as a whole. His base of conspiracy theorizing and anti-establishment buffoons is large enough to afford him political endurance and let him get away with the BS we've been seeing for three years now.
  • Look at how he's repeatedly attacked the major institutions and bulwarks of our democracy -- the press, the DoJ, the FBI, the intelligence community, the military, and our allies -- yet availed his position to sow seeds of socio-political discord to tear it down.
  • Look at how many people having no subject matter gravitas he's appointed to positions of power.
  • Look at how solicitous Trump's been toward Putin, KJU and Erdogan, despotic strongmen each. And why has Trump met in secret with Putin and KJU? Hell, why did he meet at all with KJU, thus giving that guy stature he otherwise would never have obtained?
  • Consider the odd secrecy Trump has maintained about pretty much everything pertaining to his affairs. When has so much ever been secret
  • Look at all professionals and experts whose input he's rejected and of whom he's declared he knows more than they: generals, mainstream economists, academics, and diplomats.
  • Look at Trump's insistence that his finances are off limits.
  • What have we been hearing and seeing for the past few weeks?
    • Trump's truculence regarding funding major units of the US government, including the DHS, and for what? A frigging wall for which there's absolutely no business case for installing. A wall that he didn't bother to get funded when his party controlled both chambers of Congress, but is now the lynchpin to whether essential units of the government is funded.
    • Is it coincidental that the NYT's article about the FBI investigating whether Trump is a Russian asset appeared literally hours after Trump backed down, somewhat, from his threat to declare extant a fictitious national emergency? I ask because a POTUS obtains vast powers to circumvent Congressional an other oversight units of the government.
  • A POTUS is the one person who obtains access to all of America's security "secrets" and who doesn't undergo a background check.
A POTUS is the one person whose bizarre behavior and remarks, particularly if they have a material degree of popular support, can be gotten away with and framed as politics rather than insurgency.


So now we know the FBI opened an investigation into whether Trump has been acting as a Russian asset. The verb tenses discussants have used, deferentially, imply the investigation to that effect happened and ended, concluding that Trump wasn't. Is that what the FBI concluded? Is the inquiry to that effect indeed over? I don't know. The FBI hasn't commented. Nobody on any Congressional intelligence committee has commented on the matter. We still don't know who that mystery firm is that tried to disregard a subpoena. We have yet to learn what matter pertained to all the redactions in the Flynn sentencing documents. Did the redactions pertain to the counterintelligence inquiry into Trump?

Maybe I missed it in the flurry of words but, while your post does make the case that Trump is being directed by the Russians, it does not explain why he would openly state that he trusted putin more than the US intelligence agencies
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

I would invoke Occam's razor here. You attribute much more Machiavellianism to Trump than I do.

I think developmentally he's just a big two-year-old. Now. Mine. No. Waaahhhh. For me, those basic responses explain most of his behavior. Including why he responds most favorably to dictators who can butter him up to his heart's content without having to worry about laws and democratic obligations that leaders such as Macron and Trudeau need to worry about.

The one thing in your list which perked my ears up was, "Look at Trump's insistence that his finances are off limits." Yeah, he might be hiding something there. And there could be some Russian connection he doesn't want revealed. Or it could be how little tax he has paid. Or what kinds of frivolous write-offs he has made. Or how much he has paid himself. Or some kind of criminal behavior he has done in America. Lots of reasons for a shady, careless, impulsive person like Trump to not want his dirty financial laundry hung out to dry where his Bible Belt, belt-tightening base will see what's in it.
Let me be clear: to the extent what's afoot is indeed the stuff of spies, operatives, agents, feints, etc., it's very hard to know what is so and what's come to light as part of some sort of misinformation undertaking. One thing's certain, the whole world of intelligence/counterintelligence is about lies, deceits and half-truths.


Red:
The notion that Trump would be handled literally like a child -- instructed at a detailed level and in a "step one, step two, step three" way is beyond reason. Thus my simple razor is that Trump has been Putin's puppet, or more accurately, a Putin's executive officer or factotum. As the latter, I find it plausible that Trump has been given outcomes he's expected to achieve, but he has broad discretion about how he effects their fruition. That is essentially the way things work between, say, a CEO and his/her top lieutenants in a firm. It's also, generally, how a POTUS directs the actions of his various agency heads and departmental secretaries.

Trump, if he's an asset of Putin's, would have been given very high level goals, goals only a POTUS with entrenched political support a bully pulpit and the world's largest "megaphone" can achieve:
  • Foment social discord.
  • Present Russia and Putin in favorable lights; don't cast Russia as an adversary.
  • Get out of Syria.
  • Denigrate pillars of democracy.
  • Use your presidential authority and political popularity to foment distrust of, stifle and discredit the USIC.
  • Do not lose the support of your political base; use that support to suppress opposition from within your party.
  • Oppose and incite animus toward the US among its allies.
  • Occasionally, he may have been given specific instructions: insist on meeting completely alone with Putin; get Putin re-invited to the G8.
Do I think Trump may have conjured the strategy for which the above examples are high level tactics? Do I think Trump has any idea of how those tactics abet the realization of a larger strategy? Hell, no! On both counts.

As such, the "Prince-like" quality you see in my remarks derives not from Trump's conjuration. Moreover, it looks Machiavellian because one predicates Trump's comportment and rhetoric being wholly of his own volition. The instant one disabuses oneself of the assumption that Trump's actions are independently conceived, Trump doesn't look so contrived.

I know the postulate of Trump being Putin's "boy" makes a whole lot of things, most especially the more astounding things Trump's said/done, comprehensible, particularly given Trump's outsized ego.
  • Might the Russians have had "dirt" on Trump well before he commenced his campaign? Sure. Trump's not ever been an "alter boy" of sorts.
  • Might the "dirt" been of no great value until Trump opted to run for POTUS? Absolutely.
    • Having such "dirt," notwithstanding Hillary's strained relationship with Putin, that Russia would back Trump was a no-brainer for them.
  • Could it be that Trump's outlandish assertions, initiatives and claims were proffered by him in recognition of his being compromised and his thinking that if he was ridiculous enough, nobody would actually buy into them and elect him? Given the reporting that Trump never expected to win the election, it's possible.


Blue:
That he does come off that way is why I don't at all see him as the architect, the chess master behind the imprudent and ill-considered stuff he's been saying and doing.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Maybe I missed it in the flurry of words but, while your post does make the case that Trump is being directed by the Russians, it does not explain why he would openly state that he trusted putin more than the US intelligence agencies

Red:
You didn't miss it. I didn't outline a strategy that Russia would have applied in exploiting its upper-hand over Trump. (See post 29 for rough outline of such a strategy.)

That's straightforward enough: he was told to do so, and he followed directions. That's what hubristic folks who've been compromised, and who think the nature of their compromise won't be discovered, do. There wouldn't have been many things he was expressly told to do, but that would have been one such thing.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.
:lol:

Wasn't Trump the target of Mueller's investigations too? Started about the same time he became President? So far, he hasn't proven anything about Trump-Russia collusion.


So, the FBI started the investigation about a year and a half ago. Because of Comey's firing!
(Which is reasonable in my opinion, basing it from Comey's refusal to lay charges on Clinton, and on his handling of that infamous revelations days before the election).


AND?


Investigation is fine. What I want to know is the.......RESULT!


Let's have a big discussion when the FBI (and, Mueller for that matter), had come out and given
the results of their investigations.

The accusation we hear about this "collusion" is old news. Unless any law enforcement agency can prove anything (bring in the NSA too, and the CIA) - all these premature guilty verdicts come out as simple sour-graping.
And, yes......witch-hunting.
 
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Red:
You didn't miss it. I didn't outline a strategy that Russia would have applied in exploiting its upper-hand over Trump. (See post 29 for rough outline of such a strategy.)

That's straightforward enough: he was told to do so, and he followed directions. That's what hubristic folks who've been compromised, and who think the nature of their compromise won't be discovered, do. There wouldn't have been many things he was expressly told to do, but that would have been one such thing.

That actually makes some sense. While it may, on its face, seem counter-intuitive to believe that putin would want Trump to say something that would cause the public to suspect one of their agents to be a russian agent, causing the american people to distrust their leadership does play right into the russians game.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

:lol:

Wasn't Trump the target of Mueller's investigations too? Started about the same time he became President? So far, he hasn't proven anything about Trump-Russia collusion.


So, the FBI started the investigation about a year and a half ago. Because of Comey's firing!
(Which is reasonable in my opinion, basing it from Comey's refusal to lay charges on Clinton, and on his handling of that infamous revelations days before the election).


AND?


Investigation is fine. What I want to know is the.......RESULT!


Let's have a big discussion when the FBI (and, Mueller for that matter), had come out and given
the results of their investigations.

The accusation we hear about this "collusion" is old news. Unless any law enforcement agency can prove anything (bring in the NSA too, and the CIA) - all these premature guilty verdicts come out as simple sour-graping.
And, yes......witch-hunting.


Here is one result and it is plenty enough for me already....


Retired four-star Army general: Trump, 'under the sway of Putin,' threatens national security'

March 17, 2018

A retired four-star Army general said that he thinks President Trump is a “serious threat to US national security” because the president "is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks."

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey tweeted Friday that “it is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin.”

Last month, U.S. Cyber Command chief and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had not received any new authority from Trump to strike at Russian cyber operations. Regarding U.S. efforts to counter the Russian intrusions, Rogers said, “We’re taking steps, but we’re probably not doing enough.”

McCaffrey's remarks were echoed by retired United States Navy Admiral James Stavridis. Asked by MSNBC host Alex Witt for his thoughts on McCaffrey's statement, Stavridis replied: “I know the general well. I have a lot of regard for his opinions, he does not state them loosely.”

“In terms of the current situation with Russia, our president needs to understand that Vladimir Putin is no friend to the United States, that Russia is actively seeking to undermine our nation not only domestically but our foreign policy as well,” he added. “I agree with Gen. McCaffrey that our president does not spend enough time focused on the threat that is emanating from Russia today.”

Meanwhile, tensions between U.S. ally Britain and Russia have reached Cold War-era levels of frostiness.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-putin-threat-us-national-security/434811002/


Gen. McCaffrey is the most decorated soldier to become a four-star general. He is universally respected by and connected to active duty and retired generals and admirals. He is a deliberate and careful man who remains sworn to protect and defend the Constitution.
 
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That actually makes some sense. While it may, on its face, seem counter-intuitive to believe that putin would want Trump to say something that would cause the public to suspect one of their agents to be a russian agent, causing the american people to distrust their leadership does play right into the russians game.

Red:
Yep.

When one considers the matter and its implications in terms of diminishing US-led Western geopolitical and economic primacy and making possible Russia's reemergence on the world stage, a whole lot makes sense. To wit, Putin had been pretty effectively been marginalized during the Obama years. Sure, Russia remained a noteworthy military power, but that's all it was. It had no geopolitical, no diplomatic or economic stature. Under Trump, it's begun to obtain some, and with Trump's marginal support for NATO, Russia's military significance has increased.
 
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Here is one result and it is plenty enough for me already....


Retired four-star Army general: Trump, 'under the sway of Putin,' threatens national security'

March 17, 2018

A retired four-star Army general said that he thinks President Trump is a “serious threat to US national security” because the president "is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks."

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey tweeted Friday that “it is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin.”

Last month, U.S. Cyber Command chief and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had not received any new authority from Trump to strike at Russian cyber operations. Regarding U.S. efforts to counter the Russian intrusions, Rogers said, “We’re taking steps, but we’re probably not doing enough.”

McCaffrey's remarks were echoed by retired United States Navy Admiral James Stavridis. Asked by MSNBC host Alex Witt for his thoughts on McCaffrey's statement, Stavridis replied: “I know the general well. I have a lot of regard for his opinions, he does not state them loosely.”

“In terms of the current situation with Russia, our president needs to understand that Vladimir Putin is no friend to the United States, that Russia is actively seeking to undermine our nation not only domestically but our foreign policy as well,” he added. “I agree with Gen. McCaffrey that our president does not spend enough time focused on the threat that is emanating from Russia today.”

Meanwhile, tensions between U.S. ally Britain and Russia have reached Cold War-era levels of frostiness.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-putin-threat-us-national-security/434811002/


Gen. McCaffrey is the most decorated soldier to become a four-star general. He is universally respected by and connected to active duty and retired generals and admirals. He is a deliberate and careful man who remains sworn to protect and defend the Constitution.

In light of this new "Trump as a Russian asset" reporting, does it strike you as coincidental that:
  • Every highly revered general that Trump initially placed in the WH is now gone?
  • All the seasoned personnel with diplomatic and military experience are gone from the top posts in Trump's Administration?
  • Installed as cabinet secretaries are, in many instances, people having no particular subject matter expertise, and in some instances no leadership skills or noteworthy acumen, germane to the department they lead? (Why is Dr. Carson at HUD instead of HHS, NIH, CMS, or named as surgeon general? Why is Devos a cabinet secretary at all?)
  • The WH is in constant chaos and "crisis"/"reality TV" mode defending against "palace intrigue" rather than remarking upon specific elements of public policy that daily affects people's lives?
I see all that as just part of some concerted plan to create one big ass cluster**** of the US government, and the shutdown is just another part of that plan. Incoherence and incompetence strike me as the defining traits of the Trump Administration and government operations under it.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Here is one result and it is plenty enough for me already....


Retired four-star Army general: Trump, 'under the sway of Putin,' threatens national security'

March 17, 2018

A retired four-star Army general said that he thinks President Trump is a “serious threat to US national security” because the president "is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks."

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey tweeted Friday that “it is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin.”

Last month, U.S. Cyber Command chief and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had not received any new authority from Trump to strike at Russian cyber operations. Regarding U.S. efforts to counter the Russian intrusions, Rogers said, “We’re taking steps, but we’re probably not doing enough.”

McCaffrey's remarks were echoed by retired United States Navy Admiral James Stavridis. Asked by MSNBC host Alex Witt for his thoughts on McCaffrey's statement, Stavridis replied: “I know the general well. I have a lot of regard for his opinions, he does not state them loosely.”

“In terms of the current situation with Russia, our president needs to understand that Vladimir Putin is no friend to the United States, that Russia is actively seeking to undermine our nation not only domestically but our foreign policy as well,” he added. “I agree with Gen. McCaffrey that our president does not spend enough time focused on the threat that is emanating from Russia today.”

Meanwhile, tensions between U.S. ally Britain and Russia have reached Cold War-era levels of frostiness.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-putin-threat-us-national-security/434811002/


Gen. McCaffrey is the most decorated soldier to become a four-star general. He is universally respected by and connected to active duty and retired generals and admirals. He is a deliberate and careful man who remains sworn to protect and defend the Constitution.


Sorry. "THINKS," is not applicable because it's not a fact. That's an opinion.

His stars mean squat. Even if he's a hero, means squat. Even if he's widely respected, means squat.
His stars/heroism/status, doesn't determine the fact.
Even if there's a bunch of them who shares the same view, means squat.


If he has evidence - then, he better provide them. Assumption, isn't an evidence.


The result I mean is one that officially comes from the CONCLUSIVE findings by the investigations.


Conclusive means you've got your answer, you've proved your theory, and there can't be any doubt about it.
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/conclusive



Anyway.....look at the date of your article. That's a year ago.....and so far, nothing has been proven.

Furthermore.....Russia isn't the only threat when it comes to cyber-attacks!
I found this one:


President Trump relaxes US cyber-attacks rules

Specific details of what the new rules will be are classified information.

One official said the US was taking "an offensive step forward".

The US administration is under pressure to deal with cyber-threats, amid growing concerns that state-sponsored hacks could hit critical infrastructure.

Prof Alan Woodward, a computer scientist at the University of Surrey, told the BBC: "We are in a era when certain governments are acting aggressively in cyber-space, and that is rightly condemned by governments such as that in the US.

"To respond in kind is not necessarily the way to de-escalate the situation."

He added: "You wouldn't allow a pre-emptive physical attack without thorough analysis and approval at the highest levels, so why would cyber-attacks be any different?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-45208776
 
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Sorry. "THINKS," is not applicable because it's not a fact. That's an opinion.
His stars mean squat. Even if he's a hero, means squat. Even if he's widely respected, means squat.
His stars/heroism/status, doesn't determine the fact.
If he has evidence - then, he better provide them. Assumption, isn't an evidence.


The result I mean is one that officially comes from the CONCLUSIVE findings by the investigations.


General retired McCaffrey made his timely and applicable statements during the current and ongoing investigations that began early in 2017 if not before then and that will present their findings coming soon. Your arbitrary, summary and disrespectful dismissal of Gen. McCaffrey qualifies you as a Putin-Trump Fanboy which means your credibility is zero. This is so because you're siding with Trump who sided with Putin in dismissing US intelligence agencies. Indeed your dismissal of Gen. McCaffrey puts the face of Putin on it. The time is upon us to know who is on which side.
 
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In light of this new "Trump as a Russian asset" reporting, does it strike you as coincidental that:
  • Every highly revered general that Trump initially placed in the WH is now gone?
  • All the seasoned personnel with diplomatic and military experience are gone from the top posts in Trump's Administration?
  • Installed as cabinet secretaries are, in many instances, people having no particular subject matter expertise, and in some instances no leadership skills or noteworthy acumen, germane to the department they lead? (Why is Dr. Carson at HUD instead of HHS, NIH, CMS, or named as surgeon general? Why is Devos a cabinet secretary at all?)
  • The WH is in constant chaos and "crisis"/"reality TV" mode defending against "palace intrigue" rather than remarking upon specific elements of public policy that daily affects people's lives?
I see all that as just part of some concerted plan to create one big ass cluster**** of the US government, and the shutdown is just another part of that plan. Incoherence and incompetence strike me as the defining traits of the Trump Administration and government operations under it.

Indeed and Trump has appointed judges in great numbers who support vast executive powers under Trump or are outright incompetent or dubious at best -- or worse. It is a conscious and willful campaign by Trump and the Right to disable the government or to make it subservient to Trump. And indications that are prolific over the past two years point to Moscow either influencing Trump or directing him or leading him on. Trump meanwhile pursues his triumph of the will against the Constitution.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

Of course it is easy to believe agents like Strzok and other deluded worshipers of the wicked witch and followers of the deluded leftists Comey, McCabe and others launched nonsense investigations based on hate rather than evidence. They were determined to do anything, legal or illegal, to bring Trump down for impure personal reasons. Schiff and his pack of corrupt democrat dogs want to impeach Trump on the basis of democrat propagated lies and rumors since they have not yet been able to come up with anything better for themselves than that.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Of course it is easy to believe agents like Strzok and other deluded worshipers of the wicked witch and followers of the deluded leftists Comey, McCabe and others launched nonsense investigations based on hate rather than evidence. They were determined to do anything, legal or illegal, to bring Trump down for impure personal reasons. Schiff and his pack of corrupt democrat dogs want to impeach Trump on the basis of democrat propagated lies and rumors since they have not yet been able to come up with anything better for themselves than that.

No, complete fantasy bull**** as usual. They don't even open such investigattions without STRONG evidence. Evidence we don't yet know, but some strong evidence. So you're lying to yourself because of your love for King TangFace.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Given that he has repeatedly worked in a manner consistent with an asset, it is not surprising. Still, the chief law enforcement agency in America opened a counterintelligence investigation into the President whom they worried was betraying America.


Just stop and think about how incredible that concept is.

In many other nations this would be cause enough for Dear Leader to be frog marched right out of his office.

Here, it is not even reason enough for most Republicans to pause and think of the implications of his possible treason.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

I didn't read this article.

Does it say that the investigation was not opened until AFTER Comey was fired?

If yes, it's a lie from front to back and top to bottom. Also side to side, but, that seems to be implied...
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Red:
Yep.

When one considers the matter and its implications in terms of diminishing US-led Western geopolitical and economic primacy and making possible Russia's reemergence on the world stage, a whole lot makes sense. To wit, Putin had been pretty effectively been marginalized during the Obama years. Sure, Russia remained a noteworthy military power, but that's all it was. It had no geopolitical, no diplomatic or economic stature. Under Trump, it's begun to obtain some, and with Trump's marginal support for NATO, Russia's military significance has increased.

So now Trump, the lifelong real estate developer who apparently wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and who has been denounced as using the office to make money for himself, really is all about reducing "Western economic primacy"? Sorry to be sarcastic here, but who writes your monologues?

Moreover, during the Obama Admin:
1. Russia invaded the Ukraine and captured the Crimea. Russia also supported Ukrainian rebels either through the shipment of supplies (military and non military) and possibly through the sending of troops to fight clandestinely aside the rebels.
The Obama Admin refused any lethal aid to the Ukrainian govt.

2. The Obama Admin permitted Russian troops to be sent to Syria. This was a geopolitical catastrophe for the USA which has resulted American and Turkish troops fighting Russians, places an ally of Iran on the Medditereanean, and adds another country to the complicated "peace process."

3. And of course, they screwed with the 2016 election.

Obama did not marginalize Putin at all, no siree bob.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

I sense Baghdad Bob here.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

It seems that the FBI opened up an investigation into Donald Trump and possible collusion with Russia out of concerns that this could be a security concern for the U.S.

F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html

Following President Trump’s firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, the bureau grew increasingly concerned about whether the president’s actions constituted anti-American activity.CreditSarah Silbiger/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

The investigation the F.B.I. opened into Mr. Trump also had a criminal aspect, which has long been publicly known: whether his firing of Mr. Comey constituted obstruction of justice.

And what did this investigation uncover?
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

In many other nations this would be cause enough for Dear Leader to be frog marched right out of his office.

Here, it is not even reason enough for most Republicans to pause and think of the implications of his possible treason.

You can open an investigation into anything. The only thing that matters is what that investigation uncovers. So far, it has uncovered nothing. How do we know that? Because Trump is still in office. But Collusion Truthers like yourself will never be convinced by reason.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Maybe I missed it in the flurry of words but, while your post does make the case that Trump is being directed by the Russians, it does not explain why he would openly state that he trusted putin more than the US intelligence agencies

From the grooveyard of forgotten favorites:
"Bush lied, troops died"
Many people were singing this song but a decade and so ago. It's from the claim that USA intelligence agencies were not just wrong about Saddam having WMD'S, but it was done deliberately so as to cause a justification for the USA to invade Iraq and steal all their oil. Heck, there was even the claim USA intelligence was in cahoots with their British counterparts.
Trump, a lifelong Northeast guy, would have drunk from that well...
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Admiral (Ret.) William McRaven said Trump is the first Potus to "openly challenge the idea of a free press."

McRaven said "This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime."

Trump throughout has conducted a broad front attack on the First Amendment and the whole of the Constitution itself. This is not a random pursuit. It is conscious, consistent, willful and systematic. Which destroys completely the false claim Trump is witless or unwitting. Trump knows that he is doing. And so do we over here on this side.


‘Greatest threat to democracy’: Commander of bin Laden raid slams Trump’s anti-media sentiment

William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, slammed President Trump’s characterization of the media as “the enemy of the American people,” calling that sentiment the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s ever seen.

“We must challenge this statement and this sentiment that the news media is the enemy of the American people,” McRaven said, according to the Daily Texan. “This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime.”

McRaven, who was commander of the secretive Joint Special Operations Command, organized and oversaw the highly risky operation that killed Osama bin Laden almost six years ago.

“To be a good leader, you have to be a good communicator,” he added. “As a leader, you have to communicate your intent every chance you get, and if you fail to do that, you will pay the consequences.” In a subsequent blog post, McRaven elaborated on the threats he’s seen over six decades, including the Cold War, the Vietnam War and terrorism. “In my sixty years, most of the serious threats to our nation have come from the outside,” he wrote.

“While at times, these external pressures encouraged some within our government to adopt a barricade mentality — hiding information from the public, acting secretly outside the bounds of the law, and encouraging behavior that had an extralegal feel to it — never has the government openly challenged the idea of a free press.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ms-trumps-anti-media-sentiment/?noredirect=on


It indeed isn't so much as the government challenging the idea of a free press as it is the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz who have possession of the government who are campaigning against it. Which means their anti-Constitution assault must be met, countered and defeated by those who are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution -- against all enemies foreign and domestic.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Here is one result and it is plenty enough for me already....


Retired four-star Army general: Trump, 'under the sway of Putin,' threatens national security'

March 17, 2018

A retired four-star Army general said that he thinks President Trump is a “serious threat to US national security” because the president "is refusing to protect vital US interests from active Russian attacks."

Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey tweeted Friday that “it is apparent that he is for some unknown reason under the sway of (Russian President Vladimir) Putin.”

Last month, U.S. Cyber Command chief and National Security Agency Director Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he had not received any new authority from Trump to strike at Russian cyber operations. Regarding U.S. efforts to counter the Russian intrusions, Rogers said, “We’re taking steps, but we’re probably not doing enough.”

McCaffrey's remarks were echoed by retired United States Navy Admiral James Stavridis. Asked by MSNBC host Alex Witt for his thoughts on McCaffrey's statement, Stavridis replied: “I know the general well. I have a lot of regard for his opinions, he does not state them loosely.”

“In terms of the current situation with Russia, our president needs to understand that Vladimir Putin is no friend to the United States, that Russia is actively seeking to undermine our nation not only domestically but our foreign policy as well,” he added. “I agree with Gen. McCaffrey that our president does not spend enough time focused on the threat that is emanating from Russia today.”

Meanwhile, tensions between U.S. ally Britain and Russia have reached Cold War-era levels of frostiness.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-putin-threat-us-national-security/434811002/


Gen. McCaffrey is the most decorated soldier to become a four-star general. He is universally respected by and connected to active duty and retired generals and admirals. He is a deliberate and careful man who remains sworn to protect and defend the Constitution.

Thats nice, but McCaffrey isnt in a position to know anything. Do you want to know which generals opinions on this would matter? Mattis and Kelley. If Trump was under the influence of Russia, they would know. The fact that they arent saying it exposes you and every other loon liberal on this thread as the new Truthers.
 
Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

You can open an investigation into anything. The only thing that matters is what that investigation uncovers. So far, it has uncovered nothing. How do we know that? Because Trump is still in office. But Collusion Truthers like yourself will never be convinced by reason.

Can you tell me how many previous US Presidents were investigated for possibly being agents or assets of our main foreign rival?

And your continual and loud proclamations that the investigations have so far yielded nothing are some of the absolute most blatant falsehoods ever seen on this site. And your continual use of such phrasing only demonstrates clearly just how deep in denial you are.

When we found out the email chain that set up the Trump Tower meeting, even a noted conservative commentator on FOX - Charles Krauthammer admitted that it was evidence of collusion. But to you that is nothing.

That is very very sad that you continue to play ostrich and deny the reality that is so painfully obvious to the nation and true patriots.
 
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