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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again, when you ask questions like that, and you often do, I wonder if the reason for it is pure ignorance of how the system works.... or is it some sort of mental block you have because of your ideological beliefs that prevents you from even accepting how the system works .... or is it something worse that is beyond anyone dealing with because the problem is not outer but inner with you?

    You know damn well that the matter is being investigated right this moment.

    You know damn well that charges can be filed and most likely will be filed.

    Fletch, I do not believe you are ignorant nor uneducated nor stupid. Your many posts here demonstrate you are of at least normal intellectual abilities. So I have to conclude this is willful just as it is willful for an ostrich to stick his head in the sand because you know better.

    You know damn well that the most damaging charges - against members of the Trump crime family, will come at the very end of the filings Mueller will make because they will be the ones that could cause Trump to completely lose control and fire him. He wants to make sure everything is done before he risks that.

    You also know that if he dare to indict Trump, it will most likely be in the form of a sealed indictment for the same reasons as I just have explained.

    Intellectually, you know these things or should know these things because it has been explained more times than Stormy Daniels has shown her breasts.

    So stop the ridiculous act. Nobody but the willful delusional are buying it.
    People think that counterespionage investigations work like "common" crime investigations -- investigate, get evidence, file charges and lickety-split, it's over. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They take however long they take, which could be years, and there's far more involved in conducting and concluding them than there is in a "run of the mill" criminal investigation. One that involves the POTUS, something that's never happened before (AFAIK), it's sure to take longer.

    Why anyone thinks such an inquiry having a POTUS as the subject should start and finish with greater alacrity than those that aren't confounded by having a subject who has the powers, discretionary leeway, etc. reflects such a speculator's utter intellectual indolence and situational naivete.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    Only if you wish to argue that Trump being tougher on Russia than the previous admin is evidence of his being a Russian spy.
    Red:

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.
    Here we see the origination of the false 'Russian Collusion' narrative, the entrenched political elite and deep state bureaucracy fighting back against a populist president because, it seems, they feel that control of government and political power should be in their sole control.

    Yes, high time that the DC swamp and government bureaucracy be drained. Long over due, and most likely going to take more than a single administration, given how entrenched both are.
    Covington Catholic, BuzzFeed Cohen story,
    Beyond BuzzFeed: The 10 Worst, Most Embarrassing U.S. Media Failures on the Trump/Russia Story
    Don't believe the lying leftist 'news' (political propaganda) media! #JournalismIsDead

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Exactly. If there is any evidence at all that Trump is an asset for a hostile power it needs to be made known immediately. That no such evidence has materialized shows that it either doesnt exist or the investigators are agents of the same foreign power.
    And if there is any evidence and they are holding back for whatever reason, that shows they care nothing for the US, but for their own agendas. Makes them as guilty as anyone else.
    Me not responding means it's a waste of my time and/or I don't play stupid games. I read it, eye-rolled, and moved on.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you tell me how many previous US Presidents were investigated for possibly being agents or assets of our main foreign rival?

    And your continual and loud proclamations that the investigations have so far yielded nothing are some of the absolute most blatant falsehoods ever seen on this site. And your continual use of such phrasing only demonstrates clearly just how deep in denial you are.

    When we found out the email chain that set up the Trump Tower meeting, even a noted conservative commentator on FOX - Charles Krauthammer admitted that it was evidence of collusion. But to you that is nothing.

    That is very very sad that you continue to play ostrich and deny the reality that is so painfully obvious to the nation and true patriots.
    What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Surely there are cartoons on that can keep you occupied while the grownups discuss grownup things.
    Just needs to copy the one sent to me a short while ago...

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    The timing of the release of this is suspect at best. What is this 'breaking news' telling us? Not anything we didn't know.

    I like how they are calling it an 'inquiry' and how it was 'combined' with Mueller's investigation. Soft sell for something else we also knew, Trump WAS the target of an investigation and Mueller lied about it.


    Dont' take this as defending Trump, because I'm not. The intention behind the media putting this out at this time is obvious, and I'm surprised so many are falling for it.
    A. We didn't know that Swampy was being investigated by the FBI.
    B. What did Mueller lie about? He hasn't said anything at all. Are you confusing Mueller with Comey, who told the Congress that there were no FBI investigations of Trump? Well, according to the Times article, the FBI counterintelligence investigation was started AFTER Comey was fired.

    No, there is no conspiracy here with timing. The house of cards is merely collapsing, little by little.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?
    Your question is answered by merely reading the first paragraph of the Times article:

    WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
    The thought that you still cling to the fantasy that Trump is being persecuted falsely and not finally come around and realize that there are legitimate concerns about his loyalty to this country, is concerning itself.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Surely you have a 3D model of Trump's ass to give yourself a place to rest your nose.
    I think that is sitting alone in your trophy case. Have you given it up?

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Your question is answered by merely reading the first paragraph of the Times article:

    The thought that you still cling to the fantasy that Trump is being persecuted falsely and not finally come around and realize that there are legitimate concerns about his loyalty to this country, is concerning itself.
    That does not answer it. What is the behavior?
    Here is another question: Is the unelected leadership of the FBI the arbiters of what is and what is not, American interests?

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