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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Admiral (Ret.) William McRaven said Trump is the first Potus to "openly challenge the idea of a free press."

    McRaven said "This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime."

    Trump throughout has conducted a broad front attack on the First Amendment and the whole of the Constitution itself. This is not a random pursuit. It is conscious, consistent, willful and systematic. Which destroys completely the false claim Trump is witless or unwitting. Trump knows that he is doing. And so do we over here on this side.


    ‘Greatest threat to democracy’: Commander of bin Laden raid slams Trump’s anti-media sentiment

    William H. McRaven, a retired four-star admiral and former Navy SEAL, slammed President Trump’s characterization of the media as “the enemy of the American people,” calling that sentiment the “greatest threat to democracy” he’s ever seen.

    “We must challenge this statement and this sentiment that the news media is the enemy of the American people,” McRaven said, according to the Daily Texan. “This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime.”

    McRaven, who was commander of the secretive Joint Special Operations Command, organized and oversaw the highly risky operation that killed Osama bin Laden almost six years ago.

    “To be a good leader, you have to be a good communicator,” he added. “As a leader, you have to communicate your intent every chance you get, and if you fail to do that, you will pay the consequences.” In a subsequent blog post, McRaven elaborated on the threats he’s seen over six decades, including the Cold War, the Vietnam War and terrorism. “In my sixty years, most of the serious threats to our nation have come from the outside,” he wrote.

    “While at times, these external pressures encouraged some within our government to adopt a barricade mentality — hiding information from the public, acting secretly outside the bounds of the law, and encouraging behavior that had an extralegal feel to it — never has the government openly challenged the idea of a free press.”


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    It indeed isn't so much as the government challenging the idea of a free press as it is the Putin-Trump-Fanboyz who have possession of the government who are campaigning against it. Which means their anti-Constitution assault must be met, countered and defeated by those who are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution -- against all enemies foreign and domestic.
    Trutherism.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Logician Man View Post
    an actual 'national emergency.'
    Curious how that works out, huh.
    Me not responding means it's a waste of my time and/or I don't play stupid games. I read it, eye-rolled, and moved on.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    Indeed and Trump has appointed judges in great numbers who support vast executive powers under Trump or are outright incompetent or dubious at best -- or worse. It is a conscious and willful campaign by Trump and the Right to disable the government or to make it subservient to Trump. And indications that are prolific over the past two years point to Moscow either influencing Trump or directing him or leading him on. Trump meanwhile pursues his triumph of the will against the Constitution.
    Red:
    in the "Russian compromise" context of this thread, I don't know that I'd go so far as to blame the Right, as a whole, for willfully aiming to disable the government in the same way I would Trump. Now, as I write that, if I'm mistaken, the infiltration is far more pervasive than my worse imaginable fears would allow me to posit or ponder. I do hope you're wrong about the Right being party to something of that expansive a nature.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you tell me how many previous US Presidents were investigated for possibly being agents or assets of our main foreign rival?

    And your continual and loud proclamations that the investigations have so far yielded nothing are some of the absolute most blatant falsehoods ever seen on this site. And your continual use of such phrasing only demonstrates clearly just how deep in denial you are.

    When we found out the email chain that set up the Trump Tower meeting, even a noted conservative commentator on FOX - Charles Krauthammer admitted that it was evidence of collusion. But to you that is nothing.

    That is very very sad that you continue to play ostrich and deny the reality that is so painfully obvious to the nation and true patriots.
    Do you realize that the Trump Tower meeting took place nearly 3 years ago. If that is such conclusive proof, where are the charges? You are a Collusion Truther and deserve the same level of scorn and ridicule that 911 Truthers get.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    So now Trump, the lifelong real estate developer who apparently wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and who has been denounced as using the office to make money for himself, really is all about reducing "Western economic primacy"? Sorry to be sarcastic here, but who writes your monologues?

    Moreover, during the Obama Admin:
    1. Russia invaded the Ukraine and captured the Crimea. Russia also supported Ukrainian rebels either through the shipment of supplies (military and non military) and possibly through the sending of troops to fight clandestinely aside the rebels.
    The Obama Admin refused any lethal aid to the Ukrainian govt.

    2. The Obama Admin permitted Russian troops to be sent to Syria. This was a geopolitical catastrophe for the USA which has resulted American and Turkish troops fighting Russians, places an ally of Iran on the Medditereanean, and adds another country to the complicated "peace process."

    3. And of course, they screwed with the 2016 election.

    Obama did not marginalize Putin at all, no siree bob.
    See posts 23 and 29.

    Red:
    No, that's not what Trump is "all about." Trump is "all about" making money and self-aggrandisement.

    Putin is "all about" what you note; I see Trump as but an instrument in making that happen.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Thats nice, but McCaffrey isnt in a position to know anything. Do you want to know which generals opinions on this would matter? Mattis and Kelley. If Trump was under the influence of Russia, they would know. The fact that they arent saying it exposes you and every other loon liberal on this thread as the new Truthers.

    McCaffrey fought with Mattis and Kelly in Desert Storm.

    They know one another well and for a long time. McCaffrey supported Mattis while Mattis was SecDef.

    McCaffrey is significant because he originated the 'Left Hook" maneuver in DS that obliterated 25 Iraqi divisions in less than 100 hours. McCaffrey led the Mechanized 25th Infantry Division on the international frontal sweep through the 25 Iraqi divisions.

    He commanded US Southern Command as did the then Gen. Kelly as a successor to McCaffrey.

    After McCaffrey retired he was faculty at West Point for six years in global security and strategic studies. He knows the generals and admirals active duty and retired who have a high regard of him. McCaffrey is not only in the loop in national security issues, he's at the center of it.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Do you realize that the Trump Tower meeting took place nearly 3 years ago. If that is such conclusive proof, where are the charges? You are a Collusion Truther and deserve the same level of scorn and ridicule that 911 Truthers get.
    If Trump wasn't president he'd have been indicted already. He's mentioned in sealed indictments of others as "Individual-1."

    I am curious to whether you will still stand behind him if the investigation clearly points to Trump being a Russian asset?
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    The timing of the release of this is suspect at best. What is this 'breaking news' telling us? Not anything we didn't know.

    I like how they are calling it an 'inquiry' and how it was 'combined' with Mueller's investigation. Soft sell for something else we also knew, Trump WAS the target of an investigation and Mueller lied about it.


    Dont' take this as defending Trump, because I'm not. The intention behind the media putting this out at this time is obvious, and I'm surprised so many are falling for it.
    Me not responding means it's a waste of my time and/or I don't play stupid games. I read it, eye-rolled, and moved on.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmo View Post
    McCaffrey fought with Mattis and Kelly in Desert Storm.

    They know one another well and for a long time. McCaffrey supported Mattis while Mattis was SecDef.

    McCaffrey is significant because he originated the 'Left Hook" maneuver in DS that obliterated 25 Iraqi divisions in less than 100 hours. McCaffrey led the Mechanized 25th Infantry Division on the international frontal sweep through the 25 Iraqi divisions.

    He commanded US Southern Command as did the then Gen. Kelly as a successor to McCaffrey.

    After McCaffrey retired he was faculty at West Point for six years in global security and strategic studies. He knows the generals and admirals active duty and retired who have a high regard of him. McCaffrey is not only in the loop in national security issues, he's at the center of it.
    So what? That doesnt put him in a position to know anything about what is going on in the current administration. Mattis and Kelley have been there from the start. Are you claiming that these two men know that Trump is selling out the US to the Russians and have kept quiet about it?

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    If Trump wasn't president he'd have been indicted already. He's mentioned in sealed indictments of others as "Individual-1."

    I am curious to whether you will still stand behind him if the investigation clearly points to Trump being a Russian asset?
    Of course I wont. The problem is that there is zero evidence that points to that. And which sealed indictment that lists him as 'Individual -1' ties him to being a Russian asset?

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