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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    That does not answer it. What is the behavior?
    Here is another question: Is the unelected leadership of the FBI the arbiters of what is and what is not, American interests?
    When it comes to opening investigations into counter-intelligence, yes
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    I don't have any issue with any investigation.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by holbritter View Post
    A. Of course we did.
    B. You're right. I did confuse the two.

    Ask yourself why this came out now. What's the purpose? Why is it being called a 'bombshell report' when those accusations were being floated around previously? C'mon and be honest. You don't think this media play is to put pressure and turn any public support for Trump and the shutdown around?

    Major outlets lead off with this 'bombshell' report and go right into the shutdown.

    I know the timing suits the anti Trump agenda, but if you think it's just coincidence that a nothing report (meaning, nothing he hasn't been accused of before) is suspect....

    The media plays people like fiddles.
    Thanks for admitting you made a mistake. It's a rare quality.

    It came out now because of the Times' investigative reporting. It could have been leaked by one of the many high officials dismissed from the White House. Perhaps Kelly or one of the others leaked it. However, I have nothing but suspicion to base that on.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    It is silly to you only because your education project failed along the road someplace or another.

    You gotta respect what IS.
    Really getting tired and exasperated with this day-in-day-out self-righteous finger sniffing of trumptards and the rest of your ilk.

    Really. Getting. Tired of it.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Abbazorkzog View Post
    Really getting tired and exasperated with this day-in-day-out self-righteous finger sniffing of trumptards and the rest of your ilk.

    Really. Getting. Tired of it.
    Pursue Truth and deal with all the crap that is involved in doing that....Surely you are good enough to manage even this little pursuing the good......

    Somebody in your life hoped that you would measure up, I am sure of it!
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    Open your eyes and your mind and then speak truth..........That is the only way forwards.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    How quaint the pre-Helsinki world seems now.
    At least 39% of this country was gullible. They just intentionally turned a blind eye because their fear and hatred for immigrants made them so. It seems that believing they would get a a big wall on our southern border to keep brown skinned people out was enough to ignore all the other stuff. The horrible things Trump was doing on a daily basis that destroyed our credibility around the world and alienated our allies didn't matter. Even if this country's democracy was being systematically destroyed from the ground up, they defended it which is even worse then just turning a blind eye. As long as they got their wall, they went along with every evil thing Trump did and they still do despite the increasing evidence of his treason and treachery. The other 61% of us, the real patriots, lived in a constant stage of fear and amazement every day. The apparent envy and admiration Trump has for despotic leaders has always been a window into his intentions. Admiring them and being envious of their power to claim themselves president for life as President Xi of China did or by rigging national elections to remain in power as Putin did was something Donald Trump wanted.

    The fact is, Trump supporters hate us who are against him more than they love Trump.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Nobody knows yet. We'll find out soon enough. But, for people such as you who will stand by Trump even if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue, it really doesn't matter much, does it? Don't even bother following the story about how Trump may have sold out this country. Don't believe anything even if you see a smoking gun in your hand. This country will continue to go on without your help or support.
    Lets say youre right. Trump is really Putins half brother and the two are working hand in hand to destroy America. Does it not bother you that the greatest investigative body in the history of the planet--the FBI and a special council with unlimited power and resources have, after more than two years of investigation, failed to come up with any evidence that Trump is doing this? Trump is entering his third year as a Russian agent leading this country into dictatorship and where is the FBI? Where the hell is Mueller? Why the **** is Mueller wasting time and energy digging through Manaforts piggy bank while Putin and trump mastermind the destruction of our nation? What does Mueller need? A couple more years? Hell, we could all be speaking Russian by then. If you really believe the Trutherism you spew, you should be furious at the investigators. But youre not.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Why wasnt Manafort charged with anything in relation to that meeting?
    They charged him with crimes enough to get him to spill his guts - probably about that meeting, the campaign and lots of other things.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Xelor View Post
    People think that counterespionage investigations work like "common" crime investigations -- investigate, get evidence, file charges and lickety-split, it's over. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They take however long they take, which could be years, and there's far more involved in conducting and concluding them than there is in a "run of the mill" criminal investigation. One that involves the POTUS, something that's never happened before (AFAIK), it's sure to take longer.

    Why anyone thinks such an inquiry having a POTUS as the subject should start and finish with greater alacrity than those that aren't confounded by having a subject who has the powers, discretionary leeway, etc. reflects such a speculator's utter intellectual indolence and situational naivete.
    Very well said.

    Never underestimate the deliberate and willful ignorance of the true believer who simply is protecting themselves against what they view as heresy.
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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Rod Rosenstein is about to retire from the DoJ, but said he will stay on until Trump AG appointee William Barr is confirmed. In the normal course of such confirmations, this would take place in mid-February or early March at the latest. This is important because Assistant AG Rosenstein promised to remain in his DoJ position until he was certain that the Mueller report would be finished. This implies that either the Mueller investigation is almost at an end, or it already has what is needed to either indict or not. Trump and his White House are maneuvering to block either the entire Mueller report or make sure it is highly redacted by using 'executive privilege' as their legal weapon of choice.

    White House beefs up legal team with 17 new attorneys to battle Democrats, Mueller

    White House may try to block release of parts of final Mueller findings

    This will of course lead to a legal battle:

    Schiff: Democrats will subpoena Mueller report if Trump tries to hide it

    During the DoJ Clinton investigation, the Justice Department wrote the rules regarding the release of the findings of a Special Investigator/Counsel.

    1) A confidential report goes to the US Attorney general.

    2) The US Attorney general then sends a report to Congress outlining why the DOJ chose to act or not on the Special Counsel’s findings.

    A very real danger here is SC Mueller recommending to indict Trump, and AG Barr refusing to recommend this course (most likely for political reasons).

    Simply put, things could get very messy in regards to the Mueller Report seeing the light of day.


    We are now in → Day 32 ← of the Donald Trump/Mitch McConnell government shutdown.

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    Re: F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Athanasius68 View Post
    What is the basis for the FBI to open such an investigation? Trump's skepticism of their and other agencies claim that Russia screwed with the election?
    How about an open and public invitation to our chief foreign adversary to give him illegal help in the election for starters?
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