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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Objective Voice said:
Maybe the FBI was going after bigger fish or others involved in criminal activity on U.S. soil. It's not uncommon for law enforcement to let the ploy continue in order to see where or who it leads to.
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I don't buy that at all. What fish is bigger than the US president? Furthermore, how could anyone allow a willing asset continue to be president? Too much at risk. Some low life staffer perhaps, but not the most powerful person in government.

Maybe he's not a willing asset. Maybe he's an unwitting co-conspirator. Either way, it doesn't bode well for a newly elected President to be under investigation either because:

a) he knew what was going on and willing participated;

b) he knew what was going on but turned a blind eye to it;

c) he knew what was going on but gave no concrete direction so as to claim "plausible deniability";

d) he knew what was going on but was being blackmailed thus, failed to come forward with what he knew to federal agents;

e) he didn't know what was going on but should have as the central candidate for his campaign

None of the above would bode well for Pres. Trump if the FBI has evidence on his cooperation with Russian agents/oligarchs and have reason to believe he took no action to stop members of his campaign from working with Russians.

The plot thickens...the story continues.
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At best he is a useful idiot of Putin. Vlad feeds his ego by complimenting him, then tells him what he prefers in treatment of Russia. Trump goes along because his ego has been stroked. He really is very easy to manipulate.

I'm sticking with the idea that Trump is not a willing asset of Russia.
 
Parrish said:
To say that Mueller would not have proof of creditable evidence is against what we are. It's imponderable that an American would question that.
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Mueller isn't above question. It's our duty to question mueller.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Remember everyone, the Republican president who received more Republican Primary votes than any Republican candidate in history, is also the first president in history to be investigated by the FBI on suspicion that he might be working for Russia against American interests.

Let's not forget that the only people on earth that don't believe Trump is an utterly despicable human being are United States Republicans. They are the only ones on earth that don't believe him to be a horrible human being and an embarrassment to the country. So let's just all remember that when students are looking at a history textbook a hundred years from now, it will be noted that Trump, the most utterly despicable man ever to sit in the White House, a man investigated by the FBI because they were worried he was working on behalf of the Russians, nevertheless enjoyed extremely strong support in the Republican base.
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Yes 1st President investigated by the FBI as a possible threat to National Security. They did not make that decision lightly or without good reason.

When Mueller's report, redacted comes out, people will see massive corruption within the Trump Family, real estate deals prior to and after his election, campaign members with Russian contacts.

I do think that Mueller has a few more people that will be charged. And I do not think he is wrapping up the investigation, it will continue well into this year
 
JANFU said:
Yes 1st President investigated by the FBI as a possible threat to National Security. They did not make that decision lightly or without good reason.

When Mueller's report, redacted comes out, people will see massive corruption within the Trump Family, real estate deals prior to and after his election, campaign members with Russian contacts.

I do think that Mueller has a few more people that will be charged. And I do not think he is wrapping up the investigation, it will continue well into this year
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The thing is, it doesn't matter what the Mueller report comes out with about Trump. His cult of supporters will rationalize it no matter what and history will judge them very poorly for it.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The thing is, it doesn't matter what the Mueller report comes out with about Trump. His cult of supporters will rationalize it no matter what and history will judge them very poorly for it.
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Many not all will follow him to the bitter end. Others well it depends upon how much info the public sees. Who else is charged and what they are charged with.

Mueller has used speaking indictments, sending investigations/charges to SDNY and others, those indictments has been our only insight into the investigation

Then we will see if Rs in Congress start to leave the ship in substantial numbers. If or when that begins, Trump is toast
 
When are you liberal geniuses going to learn that opening a criminal investigation into A POTUS without EVIDENCE of a crime is the first steps towards a police state. Buried deep in that article say there is no public evidence that Trump committed a crime. This is shades of Edgar Hoover running the FBI. But most of you are too young to remember him.
 
Exactice said:
What Are you guys reading?


Is this a smoking gun?

It states. FBI opened in Inquiry into Trump and his actions? Discovery is key, They grew suspicious, SO what.... what have they found and what are they hiding or what was the discovery. Its BEEN 2 years Nothing leaked, We know nothing from Mueller that is NOW taking this exact thing to the end?


OOOHHHH FBI opened in inquiry... They were spying on Carter Page, They Had Recordings of Flynn, There was a research firm that created a dossier....... HOW about we just wait to see exactly WHAT mueller has got?

MAN you guys want every reason to hate on this guy... I am NOT sticking UP for Trump as if MUELLER has FACTUAL Evidence and formal charges him then hes got to go. BUT at this time NO ONE KNOWS CRAP and you guys are taking this "crap" To a whole nother level.

Twist everything in any ways shape or form, there are NO formal accusations yet, there are NO formal charges.... calm your nerves......
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Those disgusted with Trump have good reason to be.
But this is not about that.
From early in his campaign repeated denials of any contacts with Russians.
Now we know the campaign had multiple Russian contacts, Mantafort passed critical polling data to a Russian operative.

Then we have the 1st investigation into a sitting President as a possible threat to US National Security

Some, not you, have stated this was done by Trump haters, corruption within the FBI. I disagree

For the FBI to even consider such an investigation is history making, for them to proceed with this, they had access to information we do not
 
JANFU said:
Those disgusted with Trump have good reason to be.
But this is not about that.
From early in his campaign repeated denials of any contacts with Russians.
Now we know the campaign had multiple Russian contacts, Mantafort passed critical polling data to a Russian operative.

Then we have the 1st investigation into a sitting President as a possible threat to US National Security

Some, not you, have stated this was done by Trump haters, corruption within the FBI. I disagree

For the FBI to even consider such an investigation is history making, for them to proceed with this, they had access to information we do not
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Janfu let me ask you a couple of questions. The FBI is not supposed to single out political targets then investigate them in a effort to find a crime without first having credible evidence of a crime to start the investigation. What credible evidence of a crime did the FBI have to start a criminal investigation of Trump? If you cannot answer that question then do you not find it disturbing? Would you want the FBI starting a large scale multi million dollar investigation of you without first having credible evidence of wrong doing?
 
JANFU said:
Those disgusted with Trump have good reason to be.
But this is not about that.
From early in his campaign repeated denials of any contacts with Russians.
Now we know the campaign had multiple Russian contacts, Mantafort passed critical polling data to a Russian operative.

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I'm guessing you missed the correction to the NYT's article.

“Correction: January 9, 2019,” it said, “A previous version of this article misidentified the people to whom Paul Manafort wanted a Russian associate to send polling data. Mr. Manafort wanted the data sent to two Ukrainian oligarchs, Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov, not to Oleg V. Deripaska, a Russian oligarch close to the Kremlin.”
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At this point you don't KNOW anything you suspect but you don't know. What we know is the NYT now admits they didn't have their facts straight in the article.

It is also not clear from the reports what the “data” was. The Times acknowledged in their story that “most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign.” So its not clear that this data was "critical data" or was passed to a Russian oligarch
 
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SLC said:
Janfu let me ask you a couple of questions. The FBI is not supposed to single out political targets then investigate them in a effort to find a crime without first having credible evidence of a crime to start the investigation.
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Cart before the horse question.

What credible evidence of a crime did the FBI have to start a criminal investigation of Trump? If you cannot answer that question then do you not find it disturbing? Would you want the FBI starting a large scale multi million dollar investigation of you without first having credible evidence of wrong doing?
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It is clear that you believe the FBI is completely corrupted.

I do not know what evidence they had. Neither do you. For a Party that before Trump strongly supported the FBI, DOJ, rule of law to suddenly turn on those performing the investigation, have sacrificed Party over morals

I am waiting for Mueller's report. Thing is many portions of the report will be redacted and sealed for decades
 
SLC said:
I'm guessing you missed the correction to the NYT's article.



At this point you don't KNOW anything you suspect but you don't know. What we know is the NYT now admits they didn't have their facts straight in the article.

It is also not clear from the reports what the “data” was. The Times acknowledged in their story that “most of the data was public, but some of it was developed by a private polling firm working for the campaign.” So its not clear that this data was "critical data" or was passed to a Russian oligarch
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Why would he do that? I smell corruption
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The thing is, it doesn't matter what the Mueller report comes out with about Trump. His cult of supporters will rationalize it no matter what and history will judge them very poorly for it.
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I expect many to say "Collusion" is not a crime...If trump is doing it.....No doubt the Russians are smiling how easy it was to infiltrate America...With so many willing dupes
 
SLC said:
Janfu let me ask you a couple of questions. The FBI is not supposed to single out political targets then investigate them in a effort to find a crime without first having credible evidence of a crime to start the investigation. What credible evidence of a crime did the FBI have to start a criminal investigation of Trump? If you cannot answer that question then do you not find it disturbing? Would you want the FBI starting a large scale multi million dollar investigation of you without first having credible evidence of wrong doing?
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Yep. Can’t start an investigation without credible evidence.

What was the evidence?

You never know unless you are charged. And those charges will be in Miller’s report.

Glad to know you’re not disturbed by the basic fact that the FBI had very credible evidence to suspect a sitting president was working for the Russians.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/politics/fbi-trump-russia-inquiry.html


quoted extract: WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.

Jesus- Not sure what to say.
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One word for this: coup attempt.
 
JANFU said:
Cart before the horse question.
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That is not an answer to my questions. Try again. I would like an honest answer from you.



It is clear that you believe the FBI is completely corrupted.
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Yes I do and the EVIDENCE supports that belief. Comey, the IG blasted him, Rosenstein blasted him he was fired. McCabe, Fired, Strzok removed from Mueller investigation demoted and later fired. Page removed from Mueller investigation quit before being fired. The FBI was wire tapping Carter Page and used the Russian dossier and it was sign off to the FISA court judge as verified when clearly it was not. McCabe said there would have been no FISA warrant without the Russian dossier. So Comey , Yates. and Rosenstein all lied to a Federal FISA court judge. Its time to CRIMINALLY investigate the investigators.



I do not know what evidence they had. Neither do you.
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They didn't have anything other than an unverified dossier. That was the start of this whole mess. That is why they illegally surveilled Carter Page McCabe admitted it.

For a Party that before Trump strongly supported the FBI, DOJ, rule of law to suddenly turn on those performing the investigation, have sacrificed Party over morals
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I'm not sure at what you are getting at but . I believe the problem with the FBI was a problem of a few high up politically motivated members of the FBI who took the unprecedented step of removing an investigation of Hillary from the field office and conducting it in Washington DC at the highest and most politically motivated offices of the FBI. I don't believe most of the agents in the FBI are corrupt just a few at the top that the evidence points to.

I am waiting for Mueller's report. Thing is many portions of the report will be redacted and sealed for decades
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It doesn't sound like you are waiting for the report it sounds like you have already made up your mind.

I strongly suspect that if the Mueller report finds wrong doing by Trump it will have nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential campaign. Don't you think if they had anything on Trump they would have already taken it to Congress and pursued impeachment by now Trump's first term is already half way over. They are still looking for a crime on Trump.
 
SLC said:
When are you liberal geniuses going to learn that opening a criminal investigation into A POTUS without EVIDENCE of a crime is the first steps towards a police state. Buried deep in that article say there is no public evidence that Trump committed a crime. This is shades of Edgar Hoover running the FBI. But most of you are too young to remember him.
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FFS, Trump is dirty. Only an idiot would suggest otherwise.
 
Top Cat said:
FFS, Trump is dirty. Only an idiot would suggest otherwise.
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I know; right?

There is not only a paper trail, a speech trail, a tweet trail, a Helsinki trail, a pull out of Syria trail, and now a make America Weak with a month-long shutdown trail.

There is also an interview with Lester Holt leading us right to the dip ****'s guilt.

Putin certainly got his money's worth with this useful idiot.
 
JANFU said:
Cart before the horse question.



It is clear that you believe the FBI is completely corrupted.

I do not know what evidence they had. Neither do you. For a Party that before Trump strongly supported the FBI, DOJ, rule of law to suddenly turn on those performing the investigation, have sacrificed Party over morals

I am waiting for Mueller's report. Thing is many portions of the report will be redacted and sealed for decades
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This investigation proves that there's massive corruption within the FBI.
 
apdst said:
This investigation proves that there's massive corruption within the FBI.
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:roll: :lamo

No. It proves the guy you voted for is a massive spy.
 
calamity said:
:roll: :lamo

No. It proves the guy you voted for is a massive spy.
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Just when we thought the Left couldn't get any more idiotic.

It's nearly impossible for a sitting president to be a spy.
 
apdst said:
Just when we thought the Left couldn't get any more idiotic.

It's nearly impossible for a sitting president to be a spy.
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Just because stupid people voted for a spy does not mean he isn't still a spy.
 
calamity said:
Just because stupid people voted for a spy does not mean he isn't still a spy.
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Only stupid people think that a sitting president could be a spy. That notion is supremely idiotic.

The president has supreme classification authority. He can share any information with any country he chooses and the FBI has zero authority to say anything about it.
 
apdst said:
Just when we thought the Left couldn't get any more idiotic.

It's nearly impossible for a sitting president to be a spy.
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Nearly.

But turning over Israeli intelligence assets to the Russians in the Oval Office sure skirts the definition, amirite?
 
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