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F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

Exactice said:
You just said I was in a Coma. what does that even mean.

The President has NOT been investigate as from my understanding, Comey has declined to stated he is the TARGET and so has Mueller.... To be investigated you must the Target if I am misunderstanding.

I have paid LOTS of attention. So please tell me. WHAT crime or predicate has indicated collusion, plot or coordination with TRUMP and RUSSIA. Was there a money exchange? Was there a secret meeting? Was there a email WHAT actual indication of collusion/coordination/plot/ploy.

WE KNOW NOTHING its all ACCUSATIONS and Speculations.

Again I say. IF national security was threatened and they have CREDIBLE evidence TRUMP should NEVER have been sworn in on DAY 1... YES or NO? so if there is ANY truth to the accusations it needs to be public ASAP to remove him from the office ASAP.
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Not money was exchanged during the election that we know of, however Putin owns most of trumps very extensive debt as he bailed him out from foreclosure to duetchbank.

Yes there was a meeting in trump tower where a thing of value was offered and accepted (the stolen DNC emails).
And yes Don Jrs emails proved the campaign coordinated the timing of the release of those e-mail leaks.

The are just some of the things that are public, easily enough to impeach, however with the length of the investigation and the level of cooperating witnesses, it is only logical to assume we are only viewing the very smallest tip of the iceberg...
 
GDViking said:
I will agree with you that he never should have been sworn in, however we are in unprecedented territory and any professional will dot their I's and cross their T"s before accusing someone in his position.

Also by taking their time they are not only building a case, they are learning how Russia has been infiltrating our elections, and recruiting assets.
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I agree! as per my response to PoliSciXtina..... These timelines and accusations dont line up.

FBI knew or didnt know.... either way it was failure to report or failure to act. American Citizens Deserve the Truth.

WAS there in fact a predict PRIOR to the 2016 Election.

Was there ADDITIONAL Predicts to sustain the pre Election

Is there and factual basis NOW existing still. WHY has the American people NOT known of anything IF in fact it has a concern of NATIONAL security.

Direct TREASON by a President HIGHLY DOUBT would be something do delay 2+ years in the house and senate of treason if there was FACTUAL evidence prior or into the 2016 election.
 
Rexedgar said:
All this chatter about Trump declaring a “national emergency” is in the same vein as this purported investigation. There is that document that everyone trots out when it suits their argument. Removing a sitting POTUS has never been done. Nixon resigned and the history books may reveal that there was more pressure involved than reported. The investigation needs to “get this right” because once we let the genie out of the bottle, there is no retreat.......
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Genie out of the bottle
"it will hit the fan"

WE KNOW NOTHING YET..... you cannot come to conclusions without FACTS and we have ZERO.... ONLY assumptions, opinions and accusations.
 
Fair point by Nate Silver:

"I’m not trying to be a jerk but the Times still owes its readers an explanation about what the f*** was going on with this vector of its reporting in 2016.

To hone in: I don’t care about an *apology* so much as an *explanation*. NYT screwed up some **** in 2016. It’s OK. It was a hard election to cover. NYT is great. But the “no clear link” story is literally sort of incomprehensible, in light of subsequent reporting. What happened?"

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1083901277296152576

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers trump supporters hammering us with that article day in and day out.
 
Exactice said:
OH? Where have I heard that one from... Yet the the AG can pick an choose if and when to take their recommendations/conclusion WHEN the FBI does NOT interpret or come to conclusions.

With that being said, WITHOUT Facts in our pockets should we come to conclusions. I read a lot of conclusions on DP... and I know for a fact I have NONE.....

You came to another conclusion its going to hit the FAN HOW DO YOU KNOW???????
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I've been careful with my replies. I'm not replying as a partisan but as an American, waiting for facts and proof. This forum is not an investigative arm of the FBI or the CIA. Our conclusions are just opinion, not professional law enforcement assessments. We have to wait.
 
Exactice said:
Genie out of the bottle
"it will hit the fan"

WE KNOW NOTHING YET..... you cannot come to conclusions without FACTS and we have ZERO.... ONLY assumptions, opinions and accusations.
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I am going to post it one more time; the sitting President of the United States of America is being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for possible ties to a hostile foreign government. No, we don’t have any conclusions, yet. Say my first sentence to yourself a few times and think about the words. I’m turning in; talk in the AM.....
 
GDViking said:
Not money was exchanged during the election that we know of, however Putin owns most of trumps very extensive debt as he bailed him out from foreclosure to duetchbank.

Yes there was a meeting in trump tower where a thing of value was offered and accepted (the stolen DNC emails).
And yes Don Jrs emails proved the campaign coordinated the timing of the release of those e-mail leaks.

The are just some of the things that are public, easily enough to impeach, however with the length of the investigation and the level of cooperating witnesses, it is only logical to assume we are only viewing the very smallest tip of the iceberg...
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OK no money proof yet, Putin holding debt "may" be black-male, "MAY" be leverage BUT that is still speculation NOT facts.

Trump Tower meeting? Sorry I must have missed the stolen DNC email part as I read it as a lawyer trying to discuss Adoption LET me google and research as I did NOT know during this Trump tower meeting in specificity it was discussed a DNC email hack?

Don jr. proved campaign coordination? OH.. Wow... going to fact check that as well. (to be fair as I did not know this) With that. Is that a crime? NOT that I am justifying it, but oppo research is not illlegal as Well as collusion. BUT I have the concern of NATIONAL Security and NOT that accusation that Trump was a Russian Assets.


As for Tip of the iceberg, I caution your term....as you agree "Assume".....
 
Exactice said:
In all fairness. You have me questioning those rules as unfortunately I do NOT know those in particular.

But couple things I can assume (opinion)

1) Guarantee FBI was watching Trump CIRCA 2016? Carter Page, Trump Tower etc.
2) Flynn Monitor already indicates that FBI has been monitoring RUSSIAN assests WELL before Trump ever got the Republican Nomination. So the workings of Russian interference had to have been on the table.
3) The Dossier from which a British spy already in the works has info and developed info PRIOR to Trumps swearing. SO if ANY thing of value was in that dossier. Guarantee the FBI had it.


My point is. I get that Mueller came after, I get that the accusations and the ODD behavior of Trump was after he was sworn in. BUT Trump could NOT have colluded on the day of Nov 7th 2016 win the election, get sworn in and the FBI was caught off guard.

EITHER they KNEW already..... are our FBI sucks? Dont you think that somethings dont really add up???
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Well during the inauguration the FBI intercepted a text from Flynn to a Russian contact saying g that was the end of the sanctions.

When that was reported Flynn's lawyer publicly stated that Flynn had a story to tell and wanted to cooperate...
 
if he was secretly working for Russia, he didn't do so well at the "was" or "secretly" parts.
 
WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
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I'm confused as to why so many people are surprised about this. Comey said in the very beginning once the FBI became aware of the Steele dossier that the FBI was concerned that Trump may have been compromised by the Russians. It's logical (to me) they'd take things more seriously after Comey was fired and especially after Pres. Trump revealed classified information pertaining to Israel to Russian officials right in the White House.

To learn that federal law enforcement officials were concerned by the President's behavior and started investigating him behind his back doesn't surprise me one bit under the circumstances. Frankly, I'd be more surprised if they did nothing after the fact.
 
Parrish said:
I've been careful with my replies. I'm not replying as a partisan but as an American, waiting for facts and proof. This forum is not an investigative arm of the FBI or the CIA. Our conclusions are just opinion, not professional law enforcement assessments. We have to wait.
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Fair enough my apologies as I may have misinterpreted!

I am a concerned American. I want closure ASAP.... because if this is of grave concern it needs to be known before any ACTUAL damage is committed.

With that I concede that we are all fair to our opinions!
 
Exactice said:
In all fairness. You have me questioning those rules as unfortunately I do NOT know those in particular.

But couple things I can assume (opinion)

1) Guarantee FBI was watching Trump CIRCA 2016? Carter Page, Trump Tower etc.
2) Flynn Monitor already indicates that FBI has been monitoring RUSSIAN assests WELL before Trump ever got the Republican Nomination. So the workings of Russian interference had to have been on the table.
3) The Dossier from which a British spy already in the works has info and developed info PRIOR to Trumps swearing. SO if ANY thing of value was in that dossier. Guarantee the FBI had it.


My point is. I get that Mueller came after, I get that the accusations and the ODD behavior of Trump was after he was sworn in. BUT Trump could NOT have colluded on the day of Nov 7th 2016 win the election, get sworn in and the FBI was caught off guard.

EITHER they KNEW already..... are our FBI sucks? Dont you think that somethings dont really add up???
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I think you bring up some valid points. I get what you are saying, totally. If it’s so serious and an issue of national security surely we would have the smoking gun already, right? Yup I get it. That is why I go back and forth with myself on this and am truly so confused, and more confused by the day. It’s so frustrating isn’t it. I keep telling everyone else that have patience, meanwhile I’m getting impatient, ha! And imagine if the mueller report doesn’t go public. We’re going to strangle each other! Lol


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Exactice said:
OK no money proof yet, Putin holding debt "may" be black-male, "MAY" be leverage BUT that is still speculation NOT facts.

Trump Tower meeting? Sorry I must have missed the stolen DNC email part as I read it as a lawyer trying to discuss Adoption LET me google and research as I did NOT know during this Trump tower meeting in specificity it was discussed a DNC email hack?

Don jr. proved campaign coordination? OH.. Wow... going to fact check that as well. (to be fair as I did not know this) With that. Is that a crime? NOT that I am justifying it, but oppo research is not illlegal as Well as collusion. BUT I have the concern of NATIONAL Security and NOT that accusation that Trump was a Russian Assets.


As for Tip of the iceberg, I caution your term....as you agree "Assume".....
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Jr was emailing coordination of the release of the DNC emails before the DNC knew they had been breached.

Trump announced a day or two before the tower meeting that there would be if news on Hillary the next week.
 
Rexedgar said:
I am going to post it one more time; the sitting President of the United States of America is being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for possible ties to a hostile foreign government. No, we don’t have any conclusions, yet. Say my first sentence to yourself a few times and think about the words. I’m turning in; talk in the AM.....
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MY apologies, to be fair I think I know where you are coming from, but just to make context clear.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

Order No. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.


Donald Trump is NOT named as a specif TARGET of the investigation (I am sorry I may be playing semantics I am not intentionally trying to be combative)

We have evolved the special council's directives as NOW in-sighting that TRUMP is a Russian Assets and a Potential THREAT to National security? NO where in the direct scope is that stated in specificity, IT has MORPHY grotesquely out of context in my "opinion"
 
Exactice said:
Fair enough my apologies as I may have misinterpreted!

I am a concerned American. I want closure ASAP.... because if this is of grave concern it needs to be known before any ACTUAL damage is committed.

With that I concede that we are all fair to our opinions!
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Sometimes closure takes time. I trust the FBI and counter intelligence agencies to do their jobs with integrity.
 
Exactice said:
MY apologies, to be fair I think I know where you are coming from, but just to make context clear.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

Order No. 3915-2017
APPOINTMENT OF SPECIAL COUNSEL
TO INVESTIGATE RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE WITH THE
2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AND RELATED MATTERS
By virtue of the authority vested in me as Acting Attorney General, including 28 U.S.C.
§§ 509, 510, and 515, in order to discharge my responsibility to provide supervision and
management of the Department of Justice, and to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the
Russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, I hereby order as
follows:
(a) Robert S. Mueller III is appointed t() serve as Specia] Counsel for the United States
Department of Justice.
(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confinned by then-FBI
Director James 8. Corney in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on
Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i) any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals
associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).
(c) If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is
authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters.
(d) Sections 600.4 through 600. l 0 of Title 28 of the Code of Federal Regulations are
applicable to the Special Counsel.


Donald Trump is NOT named as a specif TARGET of the investigation (I am sorry I may be playing semantics I am not intentionally trying to be combative)

We have evolved the special council's directives as NOW in-sighting that TRUMP is a Russian Assets and a Potential THREAT to National security? NO where in the direct scope is that stated in specificity, IT has MORPHY grotesquely out of context in my "opinion"
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The king-pin is always the last to be named.
 
PoliSciXtina said:
I think you bring up some valid points. I get what you are saying, totally. If it’s so serious and an issue of national security surely we would have the smoking gun already, right? Yup I get it. That is why I go back and forth with myself on this and am truly so confused, and more confused by the day. It’s so frustrating isn’t it. I keep telling everyone else that have patience, meanwhile I’m getting impatient, ha! And imagine if the mueller report doesn’t go public. We’re going to strangle each other! Lol


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This as well. I am for the LAW and the great good of the country. Let me say it this way. IF mueller comes out with credible info. I WOULD then be asking WTF over? WE should have known this before trump made year 2??? HE needed to go WELL before then the question remains when did everyone find things out? DID they just sit on it.


OR is it also plausable, that this has been a wild goose chase with NO credible evidence. SURE financial crimes and scumbags should pay by. Trump coordinating with Russian and being a Russian Asset and a Threat to National security... wow that is some biiiiggggg claims...
 
GDViking said:
And the sad thing is is that so many people knew this about him and warned the nation, however the minute he put an R in front of his name, after decades of having a D before it the simple minded got in line behind him like the pied Piper.

What is even more sad is they still don't realize they have been conned by a professional con artist...
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Two years after it's over, watch all the "usual suspects" deny it. "I was never that into Trump, I mean I voted for him, but only cuz Hillary sucked, I never defended him much".:roll:

I think it was less than 3 months before all the ones who ADORED Dubya somehow "never really supported him".
 
Parrish said:
Sometimes closure takes time. I trust the FBI and counter intelligence agencies to do their jobs with integrity.
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I do as well..... I trust the everyday hard working line workers... unfortunately though my trust in those DIRECTING the lien workers is growing VERY thin.


Parrish said:
The king-pin is always the last to be named.
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"Sarcasm" COMMONNNNNN REALLY.......

Ill say it again per the thread..... FBI imitated the inquiry... they KNEW or WANTED to know something. AG Rosentien created this order AFTER the inquiry and seemingly after knowing something of value...... Why not just say Donald Trump and his campaign..... Not just associated with the campaign.

He is currently not named as a target and again if I am NOT mistaken he is still not technically a target of the case?
 
Verax said:
I remember some right wing friends telling me how Obama is the Manchurian Candidate back in 2009. Didn't Glenn Beck have something to do with that? I forget. I also seem to remember many people saying Hillary is "crooked", "grandma Nixon". Funny how things play out eh.
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Yeah they all said he'd open up FEMA camps and cancel the 2012 and later 2016 elections.:roll:
 
Serious allegation.....Mueller no doubt has evidence......The American people deserve to know
 
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