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Trump rejects shutdown deal Republicans negotiated with Republicans

MateoMtnClimber said:
Ffs. Obama again? Why are you people so obsessed with him? And you realize that you just said elections have consequences, right? Are you up to speed with the results of the 2018 election? Buckle up for some consequences.
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Sounds like you are having a problem with the election results, Trump is President, the GOP gained Senate seats but for some reason the Democrats taking the house now is a big deal but when the Republicans took the house in 2010 it wasn't. Seems like there is a problem with your reasoning
 
Conservative said:
So 11 million illegal immigrants is okay for you? Context matters a 40% reduction from record high isn't something to tap out when the cost of those 11 million is over 134 billion and ongoing?

There is absolutely nothing logical are common sense based in your argument

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When supply satisfies demand the immigration will end and not before. No barrier will impede that natural law. The current numbers indicate that a balance is being achieved.

More Mexican immigrants have returned to Mexico from the U.S. than have migrated here since the end of the Great Recession, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of newly available government data from both countries. The same data sources also show the overall flow of Mexican immigrants between the two countries is at its smallest since the 1990s, mostly due to a drop in the number of Mexican immigrants coming to the U.S.

From 2009 to 2014, 1 million Mexicans and their families (including U.S.-born children) left the U.S. for Mexico, according to data from the 2014 Mexican National Survey of Demographic Dynamics (ENADID). U.S. census data for the same period show an estimated 870,000 Mexican nationals left Mexico to come to the U.S., a smaller number than the flow of families from the U.S. to Mexico.
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More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
 
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slick said:
The wall has to come first then he'll talk about something comprehensive. Sadly he remembers, there was an instance where Reagan allowed
himself to be tricked by the Democrats who promised conditions once amnesty was granted. The Libs took their promises and
left town after getting what they wanted from the President. However, the foundation of all of the current immigration problems
in America started in 1965 with the passage of The Immigration and Nationality Act of which Sen. Kennedy and his ilk put
foreign born peoples interests ahead of American born citizens. Pandoras box was open.

This country would have been better served if those after Reagan tried to stop foreign intruders, I guess it was to
much heavy lifting for the likes of the Bush's, Clinton or BO.
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Trump isn't addressing immigration policy either. He's throwing a bitch fit about a wall.
 
This whole manufactured drama is just nonsense. He had 2 years of a republican majority in both houses to reserve money for the wall, to start building and it was not done. Now the democrats have one house the tiny-handed Temper Tantrum Throwing Trickster suddenly wants that money or else he shuts down the government and wants to have emergency powers to play wannabee autocrat? This is just stupidity and he never wanted to get that money or else he would have done it 2 years ago or last year.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Holy ****. What a delusional post. My personal selfishness? I know your schtick in this forum is the economics thing, but the more you post the more I believe you never even took Intro to Macroeconomics and Intro to Microeconomics. You don't even know what an ROI is. You want to spend 5.6 billion of my dollars on a wall that probably can't be built, might or might not do anything, and will adversely impact the lives of millions of Americans who live on the southern border. By all means, keep spouting your nonsense about illegal immigration and national security, both of which are imaginary problems created by a sociopathic president and a dishonest right wing media that fooled you. Finally, if you "don't give a damn" about my opinion, then stop following me around the forum and annoying me with your recycled and thoroughly baseless posts.
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Why don't you respond to the content of the post, You don't think that over a 100 billion in cost to the taxpayers affects lives or the murder of innocent Americans by Illegals? Imaginary problems because you say so? What part of illegal don't you understand? I show how much I don't like your posts by refuting them with facts, logic, and common sense. you have offered none.

Right wing media is making up the cost of illegal immigration and reporting on the loss of Americans killed by illegals? MS-13 doesn't exist? 5 billion dollars will open the govt. put your parents back to work and give you something concrete to hold Trump accountable for
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Do you think it would do anything at all? His supporters will never turn on him, imo. They are unthinking robots who for reasons that make little sense to me absolutely worship the man. People will be studying this phenomenon for years.
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IDK.. Maybe it's the optimist in me. I was a Republican for 30+ years. What's going on now in the GOP is NOTHING like what the party was 15-20 years ago... I hope that if Trump goes to far some moderate Republicans will finally say 'enough'. Again I don't expect it, but I hope.
 
Conservative said:
Sounds like you are having a problem with the election results, Trump is President, the GOP gained Senate seats but for some reason the Democrats taking the house now is a big deal but when the Republicans took the house in 2010 it wasn't. Seems like there is a problem with your reasoning
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I think you are rewriting history Con, when you wrote "the Republicans took the house in 2010 it wasn't" a big deal. This is what Obama said in 2010:

President Obama, appearing somber and reflective after what he described as a "shellacking" at the polls Tuesday night, conceded Wednesday that his connection with Americans has grown "rockier" over the last two years and expressed sadness over the defeats of congressional Democrats who supported him.
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Trump, after losing the House, was not reflective at all and declared "we won," continuing to not learn anything from events.

On your statement that, "Sounds like you are having a problem with the election results, Trump is President," did you admonish Mitch McConnell in 2009 when he declared that his #1 priority was to make President Obama a one term president and thus his plan would be to obstruct him at every turn?
 
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Conservative said:
So without a wall you know that Mexico won't pay for it? Incredible gift you have along with no evidence to support your claim. You want to hold Trump accountable for not having Mexico pay for the wall without giving him the wall he wants. Typical liberalism.

You leftists are predictable, want to blame Trump for a deficit and debt without giving him his budget and now Mexico paying for a wall that you won't support. As usual you want the issue not any solutions or certainly are afraid of positive results from both that would boost Trump's popularity as if the economic results aren't doing that
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Yes, without a wall, I am 100% positive beyond any doubt that Mexico will never pay for a wall that the US builds in its territory. What world do you live in?
 
iguanaman said:
When supply satisfies demand the immigration will end and not before. No barrier will impede that natural law. The current numbers indicate that a balance is being achieved.



More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
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That is your opinion and what happens the next time there is an economic crisis in Mexico. your shortsighted thinking is truly a problem as is your inability to recognize costs. It will cost a 5 billion dollar investment to find out if it reduces costs, seems like a very low risk, support the wall and then hold Trump accountable for the results. Results matter
 
Conservative said:
Millions of immigrants have come to this country, completed the actual paperwork, waited in line, entered the country legally not sneaking into the country violating laws. You seem totally disinterested in U.S. laws and have no problem with the violation of those laws obviously not understanding the difference between legal and ILLEGAL
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It is not my "understanding" that is the cause of this. It is the employers who hire illegals to do the work they need to be done that you should be upset with. That includes TrumpCo too.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/trump-bedminster-club-undocumented-workers/index.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/6/donald-trump-companies-ignoring-e-verify-hiring-il/
 
Conservative said:
Sounds like you are having a problem with the election results, Trump is President, the GOP gained Senate seats but for some reason the Democrats taking the house now is a big deal but when the Republicans took the house in 2010 it wasn't. Seems like there is a problem with your reasoning
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What the **** are you talking about? Do you happen to have a middle school in your community? Perhaps you could zip over and ask a social studies or civics teacher to explain to you that there are three branches of government that are completely separate and fully co-equal. One of those branches is a bicameral legislature with two co-equal houses called Congress. In 2018, the Democratic party won a majority in the House of Representatives, which is one of Congress's houses. Trump is president because he won an election in 2016. Democrats control the House because they won an election in 2018. Try to keep up. I have no idea what 2010 has to do with anything, so please go rain your bull**** on someone else's day.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion and what happens the next time there is an economic crisis in Mexico. your shortsighted thinking is truly a problem as is your inability to recognize costs. It will cost a 5 billion dollar investment to find out if it reduces costs, seems like a very low risk, support the wall and then hold Trump accountable for the results. Results matter
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So you think the law of supply and demand is an "opinion"? Do you even know what kind of barrier $5 billion would buy? No one does including Trump. He picked that number out of a hat.
 
iguanaman said:
It is not my "understanding" that is the cause of this. It is the employers who hire illegals to do the work they need to be done that you should be upset with. That includes TrumpCo too.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/trump-bedminster-club-undocumented-workers/index.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/6/donald-trump-companies-ignoring-e-verify-hiring-il/
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That is the root of the problem, and the people in power don't want to change it. Too much money to be made by using cheap labor.
 
Conservative said:
Why don't you respond to the content of the post, You don't think that over a 100 billion in cost to the taxpayers affects lives or the murder of innocent Americans by Illegals? Imaginary problems because you say so? What part of illegal don't you understand? I show how much I don't like your posts by refuting them with facts, logic, and common sense. you have offered none.

Right wing media is making up the cost of illegal immigration and reporting on the loss of Americans killed by illegals? MS-13 doesn't exist? 5 billion dollars will open the govt. put your parents back to work and give you something concrete to hold Trump accountable for
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Only it's not even concrete anymore. :lol:
 
SCrider said:
That is the root of the problem, and the people in power don't want to change it. Too much money to be made by using cheap labor.
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Of course it is. This entire thing is yet another Trump hoax and the majority of us are not so gullible that we believe everything that moron says. We are supposed to waste $5 billion to placate other morons who have no idea how to think for themselves.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
IDK.. Maybe it's the optimist in me. I was a Republican for 30+ years. What's going on now in the GOP is NOTHING like what the party was 15-20 years ago... I hope that if Trump goes to far some moderate Republicans will finally say 'enough'. Again I don't expect it, but I hope.
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You and me both, brother. I've never been registered with any political party, but I have voted for plenty of Republicans at every level of government. They used to stand for fiscal responsibility, family values, limited government, individual rights, strong international leadership, a powerful military, and some other things that I used to and still do value. Now look at them. They don't even have a whisper of consistency, decency, or coherent policy. It worries me because our form of representative democracy requires at least two functional political parties. Every day they trip over themselves to deify this asshole brings them closer to irrelevancy.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Only it's not even concrete anymore. :lol:
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It was never anything but a fantasy to convince the weak minded and gullible to vote for Trump. Even Trump knew it was hooey or he wouldn't have made the ludicrous promise that Mexico would pay for it. When his supporters actually believed him he knew he had them hooked.
 
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Conservative said:
Aside from calling the President a moron, your point of passing the bill having it vetoed and that veto over ridden is something the left doesn't seem to want, wonder why?? Makes sense to me but the left wants the issue not any solutions which is the way they have always been. Your hatred of Trump is on full display with the name calling
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It takes a very particular and predictable type of person to blame Democrats for McConnell's refusal to allow a Senate vote. Jesus Christ.
 
Napoleon said:
I completely disagree. Legislation requires the President’s signature and he’s under no obligation to do that for nothing.
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So why bother with Congress at all then? They no longer serve a purpose.
 
Hicup said:
Well now, that kind of explains your derision toward Trump. McCain and Romney are the exact opposite of what Trump is. Meaning, they are weak kneed RINO's we have been clamoring for to get ousted. One died, one still around in Utah, but as completely clueless as ever.. And what does Obama have to do with anything? He did exactly what you're claiming Trump is doing, but in Obama's case he did it for 8 straight years!

Tim-
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I didn't support Trump because I don't support blowhard classless lifelong Democrats who said in 2008 that Hillary Clinton would be a great President, who donated millions of dollars over the years to the DNC and Democratic candidates, and who takes advantage of weak people who are scared of women fleeing Honduras in caravans.

Nobody cares about Obama but you. He's no longer President. It's time for you to move on.
 
iguanaman said:
It was never anything but a fantasy to convince the weak minded and gullible to vote for Trump. Even Trump knew it was hooey or he wouldn't have made the ludicrous promise that Mexico would pay for it. When his supporters actually believed him he knew he had them hooked.
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I blame it on some more insidious factors as well. Coulter had her book out about liberals encouraging illegal immigration to enlarge their voting base. Conservatives from every corner were lamenting about the browning of the US and forecasting a terrible and hellish country where white people will no longer overwhelmingly outnumber non-white people. They all talked to Trump about it. FOX told him to make it a campaign issue. The wall, I believe, was his own invention because he's a vain and insecure demon. Those weak minded and gullible voters you mentioned ate it out of his ass with a spoon. So much so that they are gleefully celebrating the destruction of millions of Americans' lives over it. I swear we're in the Twilight Zone.
 
Conservative said:
Going to be a fun two years watching you leftists going ballistic over every word and policy Trump prevents. Based upon the results generated so far if continued you aren't going to like the results in 2020 because the American people always vote their pocketbooks. On the pocketbook issues Trump is kicking ass
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Check the pocketbooks of the 800,000 people who weren't paid today.
 
Napoleon said:
A counteroffer requires $5 billion for the wall in exchange for something. Me no want fund wall is not a counteroffer.
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You're misrepresenting the situation because you need to frame it in a way that satisfies your partisan devotion. The counteroffer was not me no want fund wall. The counteroffer was to negotiate immigration policy and border security. As you know, by the way, Trump was already offered substantially more money for his wall. He declined it. He's a ****ing moron and a walking disaster.
 
Conservative said:
So without a wall you know that Mexico won't pay for it? Incredible gift you have along with no evidence to support your claim. You want to hold Trump accountable for not having Mexico pay for the wall without giving him the wall he wants. Typical liberalism.

You leftists are predictable, want to blame Trump for a deficit and debt without giving him his budget and now Mexico paying for a wall that you won't support. As usual you want the issue not any solutions or certainly are afraid of positive results from both that would boost Trump's popularity as if the economic results aren't doing that
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The President of Mexico said in no uncertain terms, "Mexico will never pay for this wall." What part of that do you not understand?

The idea that Mexico would pay for the wall was a cheer line for campaign rallies. Actually getting Mexico to do it was never in the plan after the election -- just like releasing his tax returns.

Moreover, as many others have said, most immigrants come through other ports, like airports, and overstay their visas. More come over the Canadian border than the Mexican border, but I hear no move to build a wall on the northern border. But those aren't Hispanic.

This wall will also take decades to build. What are we going to in the meantime?
 
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MateoMtnClimber said:
Check the pocketbooks of the 800,000 people who weren't paid today.
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He, nor most Republicans don't care about those 800,000.. They are only 'Middle Class'... And according to Trump, Democrats.

To hell with fellow Americans. Politics trumps(lol) all.
 
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