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Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

ElChupacabra said:
So riddle me this: if Mexico cutting a check is indeed so ridiculous, why was it proposed as a step in obtaining funds by a candidate for president? I mean, you can tap dance around this all you want but there are no "leftist radicals" behind this idea since it specifically stated Mexico would make a one time $5 billion dollar payment.
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It wasn't. Trump said simply that Mexico would pay for the wall. They very well could, given the tarrifs and such.
 
SLC said:
Naww the only idiots that thought Mexico would be writing a check were idiots on the Left.
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I never had that expectation either. If Mexico winds up paying for it through tariffs, so be it.
 
ElChupacabra said:
The link in my original post. If you missed it here it is:

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I've read this several times and I'm confused as to how someone says Trump never said Mexico wouldn't make a payment for the wall. The topic of this thread is Trump walking back on his claim Mexico wouldn't pay for the wall, and the numerous ways he's tap danced around what that actually meant. If you tell me leftist radicals are paying for my car then later tell me I have to pay for it because it's my responsibility and double down by saying you never said leftist radicals would pay for it; you'll have to excuse me if I doubt your credibility and would never buy a car from you.
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I'm going to be completely honest with you, I am sick and tired of this issue and I really don't care if Mexico pays for the wall. I don't read it the way that you apparently read it nor does it matter. I am for National Security and border control and 5.8 billion dollars isn't going to break the US Bank but it is going to cut back on it legal immigration that's reducing cost

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Conservative said:
I'm going to be completely honest with you, I am sick and tired of this issue and I really don't care if Mexico pays for the wall. I don't read it the way that you apparently read it nor does it matter. I am for National Security and border control and 5.8 billion dollars isn't going to break the US Bank but it is going to cut back on it legal immigration that's reducing cost

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In relation to the thread topic and Trump's denial he said Mexico would make a direct payment, it clearly does. The issue of what constitutes good use of money to secure the border is another story; if the person pitching the project can't get his story straight about the finances, I'd be concerned about everything else he gets wrong.
 
Into the Night said:
It wasn't. Trump said simply that Mexico would pay for the wall. They very well could, given the tarrifs and such.
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No, it was clearly stated Mexico would make a payment of $5-10 billion for the wall. What you're referring to is a tap dance from what was originally stated and a bunch of vaporware since the USMCA hasn't been approved by Congress yet.
 
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SLC said:
Naww the only idiots that thought Mexico would be writing a check were idiots on the Left.
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...and perhaps the folks who read the document I linked from the Trump campaign which clearly stated the strategy would be to get Mexico to make a payment of $5-10 billion dollars to keep the $24 billion in aid going. I'm not sure what's clear in writing from the Trump campaign suddenly has anything to do with interpretation from the "Left".
 
Conservative said:
My assumptions are based on actual data along with the San Diego TV video Google it and see what we are talking about. Not sure exactly what your position is other than you are against the wall obviously not providing any reasons

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Still rigidly clinging to a belief that a wall in San Diego works like a wall in an isolated area, eh?

Good for you *imagines patting a child's head*
 
Conservative said:
You seem to be along with the rest of the radicals believing that Trump expected Mexico to send a check to the US government for the wall. That is very poorly informed opinions. In order for Mexico to pay for a wall there has to be the wall

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If you want to consider The Donald's voters radicals, that's up to you.

But they sure did...right up until he failed and started making excuses why the rest of us have to.
 
Conservative said:
What is amazing to me is that you believed that bull**** too so what does that say about you?
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No...please dont lie about me. I never did so. I never believed such a wall would be built period and I laughed when he claimed Mexico would and I laughed harder each time he brought it up to the Mexican president (at least twice).
 
Into the Night said:
It is the responsibility of the federal government to secure the border, not the responsibility of Mexico.
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I never said otherwise. Maybe The Donald assumed that tho, since he promised Mexico would pay for his wall.

I cant explain why The Donald promised that tho.
 
SLC said:
Naww the only idiots that thought Mexico would be writing a check were idiots on the Left.
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Er...I'm not aware of a single person on the left ever buying into that. Not one. We've been laughing at it since The Donald promised it and it got even funnier when he discussed it with the Mexican president who turned him down cold.

What sources ya got that liberals ever believed there would be 'a check?'
 
ElChupacabra said:
In relation to the thread topic and Trump's denial he said Mexico would make a direct payment, it clearly does. The issue of what constitutes good use of money to secure the border is another story; if the person pitching the project can't get his story straight about the finances, I'd be concerned about everything else he gets wrong.
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Denial, it's not just a river in Egypt.

They'll never admit it, because as they keep writing *now*, you'd have to be stupid to believe that was the intent....even tho it was The Donald's own words and written out in the link you provided
 
ElChupacabra said:
In relation to the thread topic and Trump's denial he said Mexico would make a direct payment, it clearly does. The issue of what constitutes good use of money to secure the border is another story; if the person pitching the project can't get his story straight about the finances, I'd be concerned about everything else he gets wrong.
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As I have stated this issue is one of national security and concern about good use of the money is foolish especially with the waste, fraud, and abuse mostly in social spending. To me this is an investment and worth the risk to cut illegal immigration expenses. Seems the real problem is here is the term illegal and lack of acceptance by far too many of the definition of illegal. Plugging the dike is worth the effort
 
Lursa said:
Still rigidly clinging to a belief that a wall in San Diego works like a wall in an isolated area, eh?

Good for you *imagines patting a child's head*
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Yep walls work, always have and always will
 
Lursa said:
If you want to consider The Donald's voters radicals, that's up to you.

But they sure did...right up until he failed and started making excuses why the rest of us have to.
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Tell me what is radical about the Trump results and putting America first? The rest of us that you are a part of have no logical reason to not support the wall.
 
Lursa said:
No...please dont lie about me. I never did so. I never believed such a wall would be built period and I laughed when he claimed Mexico would and I laughed harder each time he brought it up to the Mexican president (at least twice).
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Then keep laughing because national security is the issue here and 5 billion is an investment in that major role of the federal govt. If it doesn't work then you have another reason to hold Trump accountable but right now there is no wall thus the hole in the dike continues
 
Our President just lies constantly.
 
bongsaway said:
There has never been a wall in the history of mankind that hasn't eventually been breached.
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Yes that is true however breaching a wall is a lot tougher than breaching the open-air that exists now. Prison Walls are also breech but that doesn't stop prisons from being built unfortunately illegal immigration cost don't resonate in the liberal world as liberals want open borders. There is zero risk here due to the very low cost of the projected wall expense that is shut down the government especially in a 4.4 trillion dollar federal government

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Conservative said:
As I have stated this issue is one of national security and concern about good use of the money is foolish especially with the waste, fraud, and abuse mostly in social spending. To me this is an investment and worth the risk to cut illegal immigration expenses. Seems the real problem is here is the term illegal and lack of acceptance by far too many of the definition of illegal. Plugging the dike is worth the effort
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Interesting that you're concerned about waste when you're going head into a poorly devised project whose funding was falsely promoted from the get go.
 
ElChupacabra said:
No, it was clearly stated Mexico would make a payment of $5-10 billion for the wall. What you're referring to is a tap dance from what was originally stated and a bunch of vaporware since the USMCA hasn't been approved by Congress yet.
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It is the responsibility of the federal government to secure the border with Mexico, not Mexico. Whether Mexico actually pays for the thing through tariffs or any other means is irrelevant.
 
Lursa said:
Er...I'm not aware of a single person on the left ever buying into that. Not one. We've been laughing at it since The Donald promised it and it got even funnier when he discussed it with the Mexican president who turned him down cold.

What sources ya got that liberals ever believed there would be 'a check?'
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People right here on this forum.
 
bongsaway said:
There has never been a wall in the history of mankind that hasn't eventually been breached.
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The word 'eventually' is the key word here. This gives time for border agents to get there and deal with the breach. It will also reduce the number of people crossing the wall. It takes a much more determined effort to breach it.

That's why walls and fences are still used around forts, airports, cattle, prisons, vaults, and nations.
 
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ElChupacabra said:
Interesting that you're concerned about waste when you're going head into a poorly devised project whose funding was falsely promoted from the get go.
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$5b is chump change, whether you consider it 'waste' or not. Building a wall does reduce immigration and make it easier for the border agents. Why are you so against building a wall?
 
Into the Night said:
No property is going to be taken. There is already a wall there. The new wall goes in place of the old one.

There is no harm to the border communities, unless they are being funded by illegal immigration.

Environmental effects are the same as the existing wall.

The wall is cheap. Trump is asking for only $5b for the next section of wall.
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That's actually not true. Here's one account of American citizens who would lose their property:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/04/donald-trump-border-wall-eminent-domain/521958/

And the existing environmental effects would be made worse with more wall. Again, you focus only on the initial cost Trump is asking for, while ignoring the myriad of other costs. You can't fairly conclude anything about the wall if you don't accurately accept the costs.
 
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