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Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

trouble13 said:
Clinge onto that for dear life. It's not much but it is all you got.

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Gas light for dear life. It's not much but it is all you got.
 
Atomic Kid said:
Why should our government, 800,000 federal workers and all those Americans and businesses, big and small, who depend on these government services be held hostage over somebody wanting their ridiculously stupid campaign pledge?
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That question should be directed at Pelosi and Schumer

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TU Curmudgeon said:
From Global News

Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot
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In fact, in October 2016, during the height of the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump released a document called “Donald Trump’s Contract with the American Voter,” in which he said Mexico would “reimburse” the U.S. for the “full cost of the wall.”

In a separate plan presented to the Washington Post during the campaign, he suggested he would cut off access for Mexican immigrants who send money home to their families until Mexico made a “one-time payment” of billions of dollars for the wall. (The plan was regarded as likely illegal, the Washington Post reported.)
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Of course it's true, just like this:

“I’ll tell you what: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.”
“I will take the mantle,” Mr. Trump went on. “I will be the one to shut it down — I’m not going to blame you for it.”
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trouble13 said:
Both sides are dealing in half truths. Trump never said Mexico would write a cheque for the wall but his claim that the USMC is paying for it isnt honest either.

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Trump said it would be easy to make Mexico write a check. He laid out in writing several possible ways to compel them to make a one-time payment up front.

No "both sides" crap here. Trump's promise was an up front payment from Mexico.
 
NeverTrumpGOP said:
Nope only your side is dealing in half truths:

But in April 2016, Trump's campaign outlined the steps he would take to compel Mexico to pay the US "$5-10 billion" to fund a border wall -- a plan that relies largely on threatening to bar undocumented Mexican immigrants in the United States from wiring money to relatives in Mexico.
"It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year," the memo said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/trump-mexico-pay-wall/index.html
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Of course, I should have known it was already posted.

But with all the revisionism coming from Trump and from the people who are willing to march into hell to defend his lies, we'll need to post Trump's explicit promise over and over.
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm sorry the truth triggers you and that you need to project it onto me...

Sorry, in that I don't apologize for reiterating the leftist media's :bs, and their dumb-ass readers who defend the double standard as posted below.
Obama could use the word CRISIS using the same exact context, but Trump can't.
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Obama responded to and learned from his border "crisis". Trump hasn't.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683623555/president-obama-also-faced-a-crisis-at-the-southern-border

"President Obama Also Faced A 'Crisis' At The Southern Border"

More than 60,000 unaccompanied children arrived at the southern border in 2014, most from the Northern Triangle countries of El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, putting the Obama administration in a difficult position.

"They made a lot of mistakes, but eventually they got some stuff right," said Michelle Brané, who directs the Migrant Rights and Justice program at the Women's Refugee Commission.

"They started out with sort of a deterrence approach, but realized fairly early on that this was a humanitarian situation," Brané said.

Democrats and immigrants' rights advocates also have criticized the Trump administration's reaction to the latest wave of children and parents from Central America arriving at the border............................



When the surge of migrant children began arriving in 2014, the Obama administration tried some of the same tactics as the Trump administration.

The Obama administration housed migrant children in temporary camps on military bases. And it pushed for long-term detention of migrant families while their asylum cases played out in immigration court, though federal courts blocked that policy.

But then, those tactics shifted. Under Obama, the federal government eventually spent billions of dollars in response to the migrant surge. For instance,the administration greatly expanded the network of shelters contracted by the Department of Health and Human Services that house unaccompanied children. These shelters house the children until they can be placed with a parent or other relative already living in the U.S.

According to Michelle Brané, the Obama administration deserves credit for learning from its mistakes.

"The Trump administration has done basically the opposite," Brané said. "They took exactly what failed, and expanded on it."
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JustHanging said:
No. Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall. Over and over. Not only isn't Mexico paying for the wall, but Trump didn't even have a plan to get Mexico to pay. He just blatantly lied to his base, and nearly all were gullible enough to believe a flimflam man like Trump.
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I knew he was serious about trying to build a wall...it's a super simplistic, great-sounding solution. I knew he had no idea at the time how effective it would be, but the simplistic concept made sense to him...and apparently many followers. Made a great sound byte, great slogan.

However from the gitgo I knew it was complete BS that he'd get Mexico to pay for it, you really have to be a fool to have swallowed that one.
 
trouble13 said:
I'm not quibbling about anything. That is what the left has been doing.
None of you care about the cost or who pays for it. Your fully invested in stopping trump from fulfilling a campaign pledge.

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His campaign pledge was that Mexico would build the wall. He promised tax payers wouldn't have to. He has already thrown in the towel on fulfilling that campaign pledge. Now he's lying about it and claiming he never made it, while he holds hundreds of thousands of people hostage and threatens to cause a constitutional crisis to make taxpayers pay for what he pledged we would not have to pay for.

And you're willingly helping him spread his new lies and dignifying them with the label of "half-truth".
 
trouble13 said:
That question should be directed at Pelosi and Schumer

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They aren't the ones who were so stupid to pledge to anyone ever that Mexico would ever pay for the wall. The President in a box of his own making and there's no easy way out of it for him now.
 
Lursa said:
I knew he was serious about trying to build a wall...it's a super simplistic, great-sounding solution. I knew he had no idea at the time how effective it would be, but the simplistic concept made sense to him...and apparently many followers. Made a great sound byte, great slogan.

However from the gitgo I knew it was complete BS that he'd get Mexico to pay for it, you really have to be a fool to have swallowed that one.
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Of course it was BS.

That's settled fact.

The issue of the day is him now claiming he never made his BS pledge and his followers willingly attempting to spread the word about how this plan that we have from him in writing was never something he even said.
 
trouble13 said:
I'm not quibbling about anything. That is what the left has been doing.
None of you care about the cost or who pays for it. Your fully invested in stopping trump from fulfilling a campaign pledge.

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It was an irresponsible, poor use of taxpayer $ pledge.

Why on earth should we support it?
 
trouble13 said:
I'm not quibbling about anything. That is what the left has been doing.
None of you care about the cost or who pays for it. Your fully invested in stopping trump from fulfilling a campaign pledge.

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Nah. Just fully invested in not wasting my money on a pointless vanity project.
 
I thought that it was always known that Mexico wasn't going to write a check and instead it would be through other means, such as reduced aid to Mexico or taxes/fees on money being sent back to Mexico. I posted that her a long ass time ago, in a conversation about having mexico pay for it through money transfer fees.
 
trixare4kids said:
That might be your point, to insert the red herring fallacy, but it sure was not my original point. :lol:
Want to try to address what I actually wrote now?
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It's the original point of this thread, before you were triggered by the truth and tried to deflect away from it.

Want to try to address the actual point of the thread?

Didn't think so, triggered trumpeteers can only deny, deflect, deceive.
 
buck said:
I thought that it was always known that Mexico wasn't going to write a check and instead it would be through other means, such as reduced aid to Mexico or taxes/fees on money being sent back to Mexico. I posted that her a long ass time ago, in a conversation about having mexico pay for it through money transfer fees.
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Absurd...Just idiotic double talk to fool trump's base...The American tax payer will be paying..Enough said
 
SLC said:
He said m
Mexico would not write a check but rather it would pay by taxes or by the deals he would make with Mexico. He did that on Fox News back on March 9 2016. No one but Democrats thought Mexico would be writing a check.
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I agree I remembering watching an interview when pressed on how will Mexico will pay for it his response was there new trades and mention indirectly, but the media only covers the campaign trail rhetoric and I cant seem to find it in google search, but such is par for the course. Dems just keep trying to beat that straw man they created.
 
Atomic Kid said:
They aren't the ones who were so stupid to pledge to anyone ever that Mexico would ever pay for the wall. The President in a box of his own making and there's no easy way out of it for him now.
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I think it's hilarious how you think this time you finally got and your all going all in on it.

For all I care the gov can remain shutdown till 2020.

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SLC said:
We pay more in sugar subsides . Like we need more cheap sugar.
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We don’t and given diabetes rates in this country it costs us far more but that doesn’t invalidate my argument. Most illegals over stay visas. Most drugs come through legal ports of entry. A wall does nothing for either and in fact diverts funds that could be used to better address those.
 
trouble13 said:
Both sides are dealing in half truths. Trump never said Mexico would write a cheque for the wall but his claim that the USMC is paying for it isnt honest either.

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Mr. Trump has NOT ONCE claimed that the United States Marine Corps is paying for the wall.

He has, however, stated that Mexico would make a "one time payment" to pay for the wall.
 
Lursa said:
It was an irresponsible, poor use of taxpayer $ pledge.

Why on earth should we support it?
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I dont care if you do or dont. Leave the gov shut down while our military constructs a bigger wall than originally proposed

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