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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    No the democrats need to step up and do their job securing our border instead of kicking the can down the road for another 100 years.
    This is the beauty of waiting until the House Republicans got their ass handed to them in November. The GOP can talk all they want about solutions they couldn't bother doing, couldn't get done, but will now try to hang on the necks of the opposition. It's like spending - when in power the GOP spend like drunken sailors, cut taxes, run up the deficit, then lose power and whine about Democrat Big Spending!

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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Though more likely an electronic payment of some stripe more so than a check, the substance of a check is precisely what Trump asserted he could and would extract from Mexico:

    "It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion."
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Just Do It.

    And since it's easy enough for your eight year old to comprehend, what would the fees need to be to pay for all this, per traveler? Trump said we issue about a million border crossing cards per year that now cost $160 per person. If we raised it to $1,160 per person, and still issued a million of them (which we wouldn't, because fewer people could afford it) we'd raise $1.2 billion. That's a little over 25% of the cost per year of border control ($3.8B in 2016), NOT counting new construction for the wall.

    So where's the other 75% of the annual operating budget going to come from, since it's so easy to understand? And then you'll need to figure out where the $6 billion to $25 billion for the Great Wall will come from, plus the additional annual maintenance on these new miles of 'wall.'
    There are 10 million people in this country right now. So if they are the hard working people you claim they are they can pay taxes. $1,000 each comes out to 10 billion dollars that doesn't include the revenue from the people entering this country each year. Around 100 million people cross into and out of the US every year. A 10 dollar fee would generate another billion each year. Plus what we are already paying we could have the most up to date secure border in the world. We could become a real world leader instead of the pathetic joke our security is today.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by Saladin4 View Post
    Fair enough...Open the Government....and start the talks...I'm guessing Democrats will increase their offer....offer up specifics...This is the people's money...trump's negotiation tactic (after losing the Mid Terms)...Give me 5.7 Billion or else...That isn't going to work...He is not an emperor.....
    No he is part of the checks and balances. Right now he says no to kicking the can down the road. Time for congress to do their job.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    Even if the wall was the perfect solution, which it isn't, the above discussion is off topic to the thread, which is whether Trump said that Mexico would pay for the wall, that he now denies he said. It's laughable that he wants us to now believe he didn't say Mexico would pay for the wall when we heard him say it.
    The wall either forces Mexico to pay for the wall or keep their people out of our country. If you want to work and play in this country it is time to pay your share.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    The wall either forces Mexico to pay for the wall or keep their people out of our country. If you want to work and play in this country it is time to pay your share.
    WaPo with video and audio:

    “The fact is, we are both in a little bit of a political bind because I have to have Mexico pay for the wall,” Trump told Peña Nieto. “I have to. I have been talking about it for a two-year period. . . . If you are going to say that Mexico is not going to pay for the wall, then I do not want to meet with you guys anymore because I cannot live with that.”
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't know people who entered illegally paid for a visa or a fee for crossing at a port of entry, which is how you suggested we'd raise the $25 billion or more to build and maintain the Great Wall of Trump plus the costs of border agents and all the rest.

    And if you raise fees to get into the country high enough to pay for the costs of securing the border, you'll get many fewer visitors here. But maybe not - if fees on international travel and other border crossings can fund the cost, let's just do it. See what happens, and then Trump doesn't have to ask Congress for the money. That's what Trump promised, so why hasn't it been done, or at least a plan to feasibly just do it been prepared and circulated so we can all work the math?
    Not to mention when the US charges entry fees, generally other countries retaliate and charge equal fees to enter.

    See Bolivia for an example.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson Simpson View Post
    It's astounding how many complete idiot scumbags we have in this country that will still support Trump after just insanity after insanity, lie after lie, its truly unreal. this country deserves to go down in tubes that we allowed this POS to become president, and POS like McConnel to lead the Senate
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    There are 10 million people in this country right now. So if they are the hard working people you claim they are they can pay taxes. $1,000 each comes out to 10 billion dollars that doesn't include the revenue from the people entering this country each year. Around 100 million people cross into and out of the US every year. A 10 dollar fee would generate another billion each year. Plus what we are already paying we could have the most up to date secure border in the world. We could become a real world leader instead of the pathetic joke our security is today.
    Great - good luck collecting $1,000 for each man, woman and child here and without proper documentations, because of course they're part of the above ground economy being illegal, and wouldn't be using fake ID or getting paid cash or off the books or anything, and if a worker has a wife and three kids and that means he owes $5,000 a year off a fruit picking salary, shouldn't be a problem collecting as he goes from farm to farm.

    So, again, Just Do It.

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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    So you agree with Trump and I that we need to do something about the problem now instead of kicking the can down the road. Wonderful.
    I do...and so do most Democrats....Demanding 5.7 Billion for a wall to full fill a campaign promise isn't a solution...Open the government start the talks...Lay out a specific plan....Start solving the problem
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