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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    With one stroke the tourist industry dies.
    How does the tourist industry die. I did not know that the tourist industry entered our country illegally. Do they fly to Mexico and then sneak into our country. I have toured other countries. I always entered their countries legally. I guess that is not the liberal way.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Great, then the master negotiator should make that happen, make that funding part of the must-pass bill. Get that deal with Mexico, make it part of the trade agreement that he told us would be easy to make and that Mexico would be "happy" to pay for the wall. Let's see visa fees of $1,000 a person or more, and then let's see Mexico make that one-time payment so it's citizens avoid that punitive cost. Just do it!

    Oh, right, the whole idea is stupid as hell, and Mexico isn't going to pay for any of it, which is why he's demanding the money from Congress. Now we have Trump defenders pretending that he didn't actually say what he said 100 times at least, in clear terms, including in writing laying out the details. None of what he promised would be easy, and that Mexico would be happy to do, in fact happened and instead of just admitting Trump was full of crap because he's an ignorant blowhard and just said stupid crap that sounded good, we have the biggest exercise of gaslighting on record on DP AFAIK. It's a world record holder for gaslighting by Trump defenders! Gold Star!
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    How does the tourist industry die. I did not know that the tourist industry entered our country illegally. Do they fly to Mexico and then sneak into our country. I have toured other countries. I always entered their countries legally. I guess that is not the liberal way.
    I didn't know people who entered illegally paid for a visa or a fee for crossing at a port of entry, which is how you suggested we'd raise the $25 billion or more to build and maintain the Great Wall of Trump plus the costs of border agents and all the rest.

    And if you raise fees to get into the country high enough to pay for the costs of securing the border, you'll get many fewer visitors here. But maybe not - if fees on international travel and other border crossings can fund the cost, let's just do it. See what happens, and then Trump doesn't have to ask Congress for the money. That's what Trump promised, so why hasn't it been done, or at least a plan to feasibly just do it been prepared and circulated so we can all work the math?

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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    Well, Trump said it would be easy, so Just Do It, Trump. Show us how a master negotiator gets a foreign country to pay for our infrastructure and security.

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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    How does the tourist industry die. I did not know that the tourist industry entered our country illegally. Do they fly to Mexico and then sneak into our country. I have toured other countries. I always entered their countries legally. I guess that is not the liberal way.
    A large perct of Hotel workers are immigrant workers...Some legal , some not....White people won't do the work....The Hotel and restaurant industry (one of many) would collapse overnight without these workers...
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Wrong again:

    Trump’s new insistence that he never envisioned Mexico writing a check to pay for the wall is contradicted by a since-archived memo posted on his campaign website in 2016. The memo, titled “Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall,” outlines a plan to pressure Mexico to put up funds for a border wall within three days of Trump taking office.

    “It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year,” the memo says, referring to “remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States.”
    You will believe any baloney that your cult leader tells you...and you will believe him when he says he didn't say what he said.

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    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...r-wall-1095019
    This memo?

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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    How does the tourist industry die. I did not know that the tourist industry entered our country illegally. Do they fly to Mexico and then sneak into our country. I have toured other countries. I always entered their countries legally. I guess that is not the liberal way.
    It dies with your tax on border crossings.

    " ...I expected a toll or tax to be levied on the people entering our country just like we do when we build a bridge. The people who use it should pay for it. The people coming into our country should pay for background checks and the security necessary to secure our border. ..."


    You can only administer it to legal crossers, since illegal ones don't use border facilities, where they aren't allowed through.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    Lol @ big toe. I gotta give you points for that one. Nice come back.

    How would you stop the horses of people who are demanding entry by the thousands?



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    It's really a cost-benefit analysis.

    How many people actually try to illegally cross the border in the desert? How much does each of those cost us?

    How much will the various solutions (a wall, fencing in certain places, automated surveillance, some combo of them etc) cost us?

    Then pick the one that gives you the most bang for the buck. It may be that none of them are cost effective - i.e. it simply isn't problem worth fixing. I tend to doubt that but it is possible.

    The problem I have is that Trump says "wall" and doesn't back that up with actual analysis that proves a wall is worth building. I suspect he has no analysis but that's just me.

    The problem Congress has - rightly - is that he's asking for 5 billion and not actually saying what he's gonna spend it on.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't know people who entered illegally paid for a visa or a fee for crossing at a port of entry, which is how you suggested we'd raise the $25 billion or more to build and maintain the Great Wall of Trump plus the costs of border agents and all the rest.

    And if you raise fees to get into the country high enough to pay for the costs of securing the border, you'll get many fewer visitors here. But maybe not - if fees on international travel and other border crossings can fund the cost, let's just do it. See what happens, and then Trump doesn't have to ask Congress for the money. That's what Trump promised, so why hasn't it been done, or at least a plan to feasibly just do it been prepared and circulated so we can all work the math?
    That is the reason for the wall, the border patrol, and the rest of the necessary things to secure our border. To stop people from entering illegally. Then we can start allowing legal people with work visas into this country to work instead of lawless criminals. When they enter our country legally they will fill out the proper forms letting us know who they work for and provide documentation that proper wages and taxes are paid complying with our laws as apposed to breaking our laws. The people working in this country can apply for immigration status if they do not break our laws. We want law abiding people not criminals in our country. These people working in our country that are not citizens will pay a tax to fund this the same as we pay a tax to fund SS. A win win situation for everyone and we have law abiding people coming to our country not lawless losers. What is so hard to understand about this.
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    Re: Trump says he ‘never said’ Mexico would pay for the wall. But he did – a lot

    It's astounding how many complete idiot scumbags we have in this country that will still support Trump after just insanity after insanity, lie after lie, its truly unreal. this country deserves to go down in tubes that we allowed this POS to become president, and POS like McConnel to lead the Senate

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