Trump orders FEMA to halt payments to California as wildfire recovery continues

Deuce · Jan 12, 2019

Born Free said:
Yeah a non sequitur to you. You could give a damn how many people are burned to death because CA will not provide fire protection from it's forest. You don't care how many people are killed, raped, stole from, underage girls being sold to the sex trade, drug runners, etc etc committed by illegals. Christ you give safe harbor to these illegal alien criminals. It's all OK with you as long as your not one of the victims.

You’re ok with electing literal nazis. This is a fun game you’re playing, what do you call it?

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 13, 2019

Born Free said:
You don't care how many people are killed, raped, stole from, underage girls being sold to the sex trade, drug runners, etc etc committed by illegals.

Really - prove it (to borrow the phrase you love to toss out).

While you are at it, maybe you'd be so kind as to also provide some data on what percentage of the victims you referred to were victimized by American citizens - just so that we can all see that almost 100% of the problem is caused by illegals.

Thanks.

Born Free · Jan 14, 2019

Deuce said:
You’re ok with electing literal nazis. This is a fun game you’re playing, what do you call it?

I call it the truth, you could give a damn how many people are burned to death because CA will not provide fire protection from it's forest. You don't care how many people are killed, raped, stole from, underage girls being sold to the sex trade, drug runners, etc etc committed by illegals. Christ you give safe harbor to these illegal alien criminals. It's all OK with you as long as your not one of the victims.

Now tell how much you really care. Yes that's a question

Born Free · Jan 14, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Really - prove it (to borrow the phrase you love to toss out).

While you are at it, maybe you'd be so kind as to also provide some data on what percentage of the victims you referred to were victimized by American citizens - just so that we can all see that almost 100% of the problem is caused by illegals.

Thanks.

You libs have no logic. Period. Take away all the crime committed by illegals and our crime rate drops like a rock. Fact. To make it simple for you to understand, if there were NO illegals in this country there would be NO crime committed by illegals. Get it.

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 14, 2019

Born Free said:
You libs have no logic. Period. Take away all the crime committed by illegals and our crime rate drops like a rock. Fact.

Really?

Statistics please.

You do realize that all of the available evidence to date shows that "illegals" are LESS likely to commit crimes than "legals" don't you?

Oh now, that was silly of me, of course you don't - because Breitbart doesn't tell you what the actual statistics prove.

Born Free said:
To make it simple for you to understand, if there were NO illegals in this country there would be NO crime committed by illegals. Get it.

You are 100% correct.

Of course if there were no "natural born Americans" in the US then there would be NO crime committed by "natural born Americans" and, since "natural born Americans" commit the majority of the crimes in the United States of America then the crime rate in the US would drop even more sharply if all of the "natural born Americans" were booted out of the country.

Your logic is ...

Well, unfortunately I can't quite come up with a word that acceptably describes the level.

Hawkeye10 · Jan 14, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Really?

Statistics please.

You do realize that all of the available evidence to date shows that "illegals" are LESS likely to commit crimes than "legals" don't you?
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Cato found that in 2015, criminal conviction and arrest rates in Texas for undocumented immigrants were lower than those of native-born Americans for murder, sexual assault and larceny.

https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/6076...l-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

The problem with this claim is that I dont know that this is the full story, because if I was a Cop or a prosecutor I am not sure that I would put the citizens though the expense and me the bother of running bad illegals through the so-called justice system....... maybe I just call the Feds and have them deported...problem solved. The written by professionals TV crime shows do this all the time.

Deuce · Jan 14, 2019

Born Free said:
I call it the truth, you could give a damn how many people are burned to death because CA will not provide fire protection from it's forest. You don't care how many people are killed, raped, stole from, underage girls being sold to the sex trade, drug runners, etc etc committed by illegals. Christ you give safe harbor to these illegal alien criminals. It's all OK with you as long as your not one of the victims.

Now tell how much you really care. Yes that's a question

I care a great deal, but also recognize that more Americans are killed by food poisoning than homicides committed by illegal immigrants. And, for some inexplicable reason, you aren’t screaming for a government shutdown that hurts millions of people so you can get tens of billions of dollars in additional funding for food safety.

Because you’ve been duped.

Hawkeye10 · Jan 14, 2019

Deuce said:
I care a great deal, but also recognize that more Americans are killed by food poisoning than homicides committed by illegal immigrants. And, for some inexplicable reason, you aren’t screaming for a government shutdown that hurts millions of people so you can get tens of billions of dollars in additional funding for food safety.

Because you’ve been duped.

"You dont agree with me therefor you suck" has to be over.

Born Free · Jan 14, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Really?

Statistics please.

You do realize that all of the available evidence to date shows that "illegals" are LESS likely to commit crimes than "legals" don't you?

Oh now, that was silly of me, of course you don't - because Breitbart doesn't tell you what the actual statistics prove.

What is so friggin hard for you to understand. We have a crime rate, and that crime rate shows those crimes committed by illegals. Thus if there were no illegals in our country the crimes they commit would no be. How simple is that?

You are 100% correct.

Thank you I know I'm 100% correct.

Of course if there were no "natural born Americans" in the US then there would be NO crime committed by "natural born Americans" and, since "natural born Americans" commit the majority of the crimes in the United States of America then the crime rate in the US would drop even more sharply if all of the "natural born Americans" were booted out of the country.

You still don't get it. We're talking illegals, not natural born Citizens of the United States. We who are citizens of the US are not here illegally, do you get that? I don't think so.

Well, unfortunately I can't quite come up with a word that acceptably describes the level.

Of course you can't because you can't comprehend the fact that if there was no illegals in this country our country's crime rate would drop like a rock.

Born Free · Jan 14, 2019

Deuce said:
I care a great deal

You care a great deal. Your not convincing me.

but also recognize that more Americans are killed by food poisoning than homicides committed by illegal immigrants. And, for some inexplicable reason, you aren’t screaming for a government shutdown that hurts millions of people so you can get tens of billions of dollars in additional funding for food safety.

First you have to PROVE your stats of people being killed by food poisoning. Otherwise you've been duped.

And I would say the food poisoning is from illegals handling our food improperly. You libs want illegals to pick our fruit and work our fields to keep prices down. What the hell do you expect paying cheap labor to handle our food. Yep you get food poisoning.

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 15, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/6076...l-immigration-does-not-increase-violent-crime

The problem with this claim is that I dont know that this is the full story, because if I was a Cop or a prosecutor I am not sure that I would put the citizens though the expense and me the bother of running bad illegals through the so-called justice system....... maybe I just call the Feds and have them deported...problem solved. The written by professionals TV crime shows do this all the time.

So what the situation is, is that we should condemn all "illegals" because some people, who don't have all the data, say we should, but we shouldn't hold off on forming any conclusions of our own because all of the data isn't available - is it?

That doesn't seem very sensible to me.

Hawkeye10 · Jan 15, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
So what the situation is, is that we should condemn all "illegals" because some people, who don't have all the data, say we should, but we shouldn't hold off on forming any conclusions of our own because all of the data isn't available - is it?

That doesn't seem very sensible to me.

Putting words in my mouth is an uncivil act.

If you wish to respond to my posts use the words I used, not your fantasies, I insist.

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 16, 2019

Hawkeye10 said:
Putting words in my mouth is an uncivil act.

If you wish to respond to my posts use the words I used, not your fantasies, I insist.

My exact words were "So what the situation is, is that we should condemn all "illegals" because some people, who don't have all the data, say we should, but we shouldn't hold off on forming any conclusions of our own because all of the data isn't available - is it?" (emphasis added).

You do know what a question is, don't you?

Feel free to insist all you want.

Ikari · Jan 16, 2019

Born Free said:
You libs have no logic. Period. Take away all the crime committed by illegals and our crime rate drops like a rock. Fact. To make it simple for you to understand, if there were NO illegals in this country there would be NO crime committed by illegals. Get it.

if there were NO guns in this country, there would be no crime committed with guns
if there were NO criminals in this country, there would be no crime committed

blah blah blah

It's a pointless statement because you'll never get zero, and illegals are not even responsible for half the crime in this country. While we should certainly invest wisely and appropriately in boarder control and do our best to limit the number of illegal crossings, the fact is that it has been dropping steadily for some time now and we're at the lowest number of illegal boarder crossings for quite some time. We're doing something right. Invest in the proper hardware, tech, and personnel and we can better affect that system. But these dramatics and hysterics over illegal aliens or crime committed by them are just emotional hyperbole to try to get knee-jerk reactions instead of intelligent thought. Immigrants, even illegal immigrants, are not committing violent crimes at some accelerated rate and getting rid of them will not "drop our crime rate like a rock".

Checkerboard Strangler · Jan 16, 2019

Act of war against California.
Time to stop all California payments to the Federal Government.

If Trump wants to fire spitballs at the blue states, it's time for the blue states to grease up their cannons and let her rip, let Trump explain to HIS BASE why they might not be getting the money they need when disaster strikes.

Born Free · Jan 16, 2019

Ikari said:
if there were NO guns in this country, there would be no crime committed with guns
if there were NO criminals in this country, there would be no crime committed

If, if, if, our constitution allows the right to bear arms. We are a society of citizens, not illegals.

illegals are not even responsible for half the crime in this country.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, we have natural born citizens and legal immigration. And then we have people that are here illegally, yes that's right here illegally. Do you not understand the difference from being legal vs illegal. Take away the illegal alien element the crime rate for the US drops like a rock.

While we should certainly invest wisely and appropriately in boarder control and do our best to limit the number of illegal crossings,

Agree

the fact is that it has been dropping steadily for some time now and we're at the lowest number of illegal boarder crossings for quite some time. We're doing something right.

But not enough, our border is like Swiss Cheese. The goal is a CLOSED border not one that allows enough illegals in to clean your toilets.

Invest in the proper hardware, tech, and personnel and we can better affect that system.

I agree again, but you left out the barrier which is the most important ingredient for total border security. You are against a barrier, thus you are for taking down the barriers. You compare your line in the sand equal to a barrier to control the border. Sorry, there is no way in hell you can say that a line in the sand will keep out illegals equal to a 30' steel barrier.

But these dramatics and hysterics over illegal aliens or crime committed by them are just emotional hyperbole to try to get knee-jerk reactions instead of intelligent thought. Immigrants, even illegal immigrants, are not committing violent crimes at some accelerated rate and getting rid of them will not "drop our crime rate like a rock".

Getting rid of illegals will drop the crime rate by all the crimes they commit. They butcher people, rape them, steal from them, sell underage girls to the sex trade, they bring in drugs killing our citizens. Have you ever figured out how many deaths we have in the country by illegal drugs brought in by illegals?

Any crime by an illegal is one to many. They are illegals and unfortunately many of those illegal commit serous crimes. That is a fact. Further you have sanctuary cities / states that harbor illegal criminals and allow them to back into society. Sanctuary cities is like putting up a huge sign, come here your safe. And when they do come you have to feed them, get them jobs, provide health care, welfare, food stamps, housing, cell phone etc.

Not only is the crime rate by illegals a serious problem, they drive down wages for our citizens and they are in every industry driving down wages. And you invite them to your sanctuary cities.

If your are even serious about rolling back illegal immigration you would fist kill sanctuary cities/states. You would support ICE, and you would support a complete package to close our border and I mean close it. Every border agent says we have to have barriers at certain locations to assist in illegal entry. But your not for getting rid of Sanctuaries, and talking to ICE, and any barriers to close our border. Your line in the sand will just allow thousands of illegals to rush over that line in the sand at night and there is no way to stop them. Even with a barrier (which is not a good barrier) the border patrol has used tear gas to stop them from climbing over.

Have a good one

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 16, 2019

Born Free said:
If, if, if, our constitution allows the right to bear arms. We are a society of citizens, not illegals.

Did you know that an "illegal immigrant" is a member of "The Militia" if they swear allegiance to the United States of America?

Born Free said:
Why is it so hard for you to understand, we have natural born citizens and legal immigration. And then we have people that are here illegally, yes that's right here illegally. Do you not understand the difference from being legal vs illegal. Take away the illegal alien element the crime rate for the US drops like a rock.

Take away the "legal" element and it drops further and faster.

Born Free said:
But not enough, our border is like Swiss Cheese. The goal is a CLOSED border not one that allows enough illegals in to clean your toilets.

Setting up machine gun positions and allowing "Shoot to kill on sight." would be even cheaper. If you left the bodies where they fell, that would act as a deterrent.

Born Free said:
I agree again, but you left out the barrier which is the most important ingredient for total border security. You are against a barrier, thus you are for taking down the barriers. You compare your line in the sand equal to a barrier to control the border. Sorry, there is no way in hell you can say that a line in the sand will keep out illegals equal to a 30' steel barrier.

True, but a 30' steel barrier doesn't do as good a job as there being no reason to cross the border in the first place.

Born Free said:
Getting rid of illegals will drop the crime rate by all the crimes they commit. They butcher people, rape them, steal from them, sell underage girls to the sex trade, they bring in drugs killing our citizens.

Indeed they do. Not only that but not a single one of those things has ever been done by a "legal" - right?

Born Free said:
Have you ever figured out how many deaths we have in the country by illegal drugs brought in by illegals?

Did you know that if "legals" stopped buying the drugs then there wouldn't be enough of a marked for them to make it worth the effort to smuggle them in in the first place?

uptower · Jan 16, 2019

Cardinal said:
Solution? Throw his base red meat by reminding them that Californians are their enemies and not their fellow Americans.

Well said

Fletch · Jan 16, 2019

Cardinal said:
He's trying to make the wall issue go away because he knows he's already lost it, but he can't back down because, as he said, "because then I'd look foolish." Also, to back down risks letting public attention go back to the investigations into him, his campaign and his administration.

Solution? Throw his base red meat by reminding them that Californians are their enemies and not their fellow Americans.

Well thats wrong. Perhaps he is just gathering the funds he needs for his pending emergency declaration.

Born Free · Jan 17, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Did you know that an "illegal immigrant" is a member of "The Militia" if they swear allegiance to the United States of America?

Did you know that an illegal alien can swear all he/she wants but their still illegal aliens.

Take away the "legal" element and it drops further and faster.

You really hate this country that much to rid our country of its citizens so that illegals can take over our country?

Setting up machine gun positions and allowing "Shoot to kill on sight." would be even cheaper. If you left the bodies where they fell, that would act as a deterrent.

A wall would eliminate having to do that. However with just your Line in the Sand you would need to do that, a line in the sand you just walk over.

True, but a 30' steel barrier doesn't do as good a job as there being no reason to cross the border in the first place.

????????

Indeed they do. Not only that but not a single one of those things has ever been done by a "legal" - right?

Your hatred of this country is really over the top, ridding this country of its citizens in favor of illegals.

Did you know that if "legals" stopped buying the drugs then there wouldn't be enough of a marked for them to make it worth the effort to smuggle them in in the first place?

Did you know that if all the illegal drugs were stopped at our border there would be no drugs to buy.

You know, your comments are baseless and useless.

American · Jan 17, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
From United Press International

Trump orders FEMA to halt payments to California as wildfire recovery continues

Jan. 9 (UPI) -- President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he ordered the Federal Emergency Management Agency to cut off relief money for California as the state recovers from the deadliest wildfires in its history.

"Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen," Trump tweeted Wednesday. "Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money."

An estimated 86 people died in the Camp Fire in Butte County north of San Francisco. The fire burned 153,000 acres in November, destroying 14,000 homes, 528 commercial buildings and 4,300 other structures. That includes the entire town of Paradise.

Trump's announcement comes three days after California Gov. Gavin Newsom was sworn in and, with one of his first acts, signed new legislation that modernizes the way the state responds and prepares for natural disasters.

COMMENT:-

Obviously California doesn't need any money to help with the destruction caused by fires because the fires are out and the damage has already been done so there is no "emergency" to "manage" and that would mean that it would be illegal to re-purpose funds that Congress has said should be used to "manage emergencies" to "helping those left-wing, liberal, pinko, socialist, commies who wouldn't vote Republican whatever you paid them to do the way that the so-called 'Democrats' pay them to 'Vote Democrat'".

Right?

Or is Mr. Trump just being petty and childish?

Federal employees aren't working, why should California get paid?

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 20, 2019

Born Free said:
Did you know that an illegal alien can swear all he/she wants but their still illegal aliens.

Which has something to do with what I wrote - what?

Born Free said:
You really hate this country that much to rid our country of its citizens so that illegals can take over our country?

Merely pointing out the inanity of an inane position.

Born Free said:
A wall would eliminate having to do that. However with just your Line in the Sand you would need to do that, a line in the sand you just walk over.

Admittedly a wall would have the advantage of not having to clean up corpses every couple of days. But shooting people attempting to cross the border (which they have a legal right to do since it is NOT against the laws of the United States of America to cross the US border) would be a lot cheaper.

Born Free said:
????????

My apologies, I thought that was a perfectly coherent English language sentence comprehensible by any reasonably literate high school graduate.

Born Free said:
Your hatred of this country is really over the top, ridding this country of its citizens in favor of illegals.

Merely pointing out the inanity of an inane position.

Born Free said:
Did you know that if all the illegal drugs were stopped at our border there would be no drugs to buy.

Indeed I did - and there wouldn't be any at all for exactly as long as it took for enterprising LEGAL Americans to start manufacturing them inside the United States of America.

If you don't think that that is exactly what would happen, then I have some shares in my proposed flying pig racetrack that I can let you have at a really good (I like it) price.

Born Free said:
You know, your comments are baseless and useless.

I will admit that my comments, sometimes, fall into the category "Giving a magnifying glass to a blind man", but that doesn't mean that the magnifying glasses that I give away are ALL useless, only that the ones that the blind receive have limited utility.

TU Curmudgeon · Jan 20, 2019

American said:
Federal employees aren't working, why should California get paid?

Possibly because the funds have already been authorized and allocated and there is a contractual requirement that the already available funds be paid?

The federal employees are not getting paid because the funds required have been neither authorized nor allocated and, under the contract between the employees and the federal government there is no contractual requirement that the employees be paid.

Born Free · Jan 20, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Admittedly a wall would have the advantage of not having to clean up corpses every couple of days. But shooting people attempting to cross the border (which they have a legal right to do since it is NOT against the laws of the United States of America to cross the US border) would be a lot cheaper.

Geee I didn't know that non US citizens can come across our border anytime they want and do whatever they want.

Your a waste of my time.

American · Jan 22, 2019

TU Curmudgeon said:
Possibly because the funds have already been authorized and allocated and there is a contractual requirement that the already available funds be paid?

The federal employees are not getting paid because the funds required have been neither authorized nor allocated and, under the contract between the employees and the federal government there is no contractual requirement that the employees be paid.

Well, if the employees aren't there to carry out their duties, ain't nothing going to get done. Oh and btw, **** California. If they had managed their forests like professionals, instead of like environazis, they probably would have only had half the loses.

Trump orders FEMA to halt payments to California as wildfire recovery continues

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