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Texas landowners dig in to fight Trump’s border wall

HumblePi said:
Everyone seems to be conflating the two terms, 'eminent domain' and 'condemnation'.

The simple answer is that the amount of private property reasonably necessary for public use may be taken. The taking can be of all or part of a property. Examples of property that can be taken include land, an easement on a piece of land, improvements such as homes or barns, and rights to surface or ground water.

Eminent domain is the power of the government or someone acting upon power granted by the government to take private property for public use. The power of eminent domain is recognized in both the United States and Texas Constitutions.

Condemnation is the exercise of the power of eminent domain. Thus, when the government or a person/entity authorized to use eminent domain takes property, it engages in condemnation.

There are three elements of eminent domain under Texas law: (1) The actor must be the state or a private entity authorized to condemn; (2) the property must be taken for public use; and (3) the landowner must receive adequate compensation for the condemned property.

Who can condemn property?

Under Texas law, only a governmental entity or a private entity granted the power of eminent domain under law is permitted to condemn property. The simple answer is that the amount of private property reasonably necessary for public use may be taken 'with or without' compensation through legal means. How many lands owners that have already stated "they will take my land over my dead body" really means what they say and if they do, does the government engage in a physical confrontation with them?
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That'd be pretty extreme for 150ft.

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OlNate said:
lol...no it's not. It's a bad idea dropped on an anonymous debate forum that will never be considered by anyone.
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You need to speak for yourself. Your post's wordings are imprecise.
 
cabse5 said:
You need to speak for yourself. Your post's wordings are imprecise.
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lol...ok, cabse, tell me in what scenario you see American citizens being shut out of the country by some dumb wall, simply because they don't want it on their property. Unless it ends in "and then Trump got turfed", I don't believe you.
 
JacksinPA said:
https://www.apnews.com/0b3d63c524214bbdbfb58ce8f61589f0

HIDALGO, Texas (AP) — As President Donald Trump travels to the border in Texas to make the case for his $5.7 billion wall, landowner Eloisa Cavazos says she knows firsthand how the project will play out if the White House gets its way.

The federal government has started surveying land along the border in Texas and announced plans to start construction next month. Rather than surrender their land, some property owners are digging in, vowing to reject buyout offers and preparing to fight the administration in court.
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Hard working land owners & ranchers like this guy will make sure this wall goes no where.
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Eminent domain has already been adjudicated in the SCOTUS the ranch owners don’t have a chance. They took private homes to build ATT stadium to play football . Land to build a barrier to defend the American people is a sure thing.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Same here. Many years ago, a small part of my extended family (an uncle in construction) worked a couple of small projects for what used to be Fred Trump's company. Payment was MIA. Eventually they wound up dealing with the so called "Trump Organization" and they wound up not getting paid. Thankfully it wasn't a career ending problem but it sure stung for a while.

The good news is, my uncle (and my grandfather) instead got connected with a decent contracting company which probably built almost a third of the postwar homes in Long Island

Yep, my family has been well aware of what a crook Trump is for a very long time.

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If you've watched All in the Family, the Godfather, Goodfellas, The Sopranos...you've probably seen a lot of the homes my gramps and uncle built.
I can pick out the styles in a hot second every time I go back to New York for a visit.
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That's an awesome story. I truly believe that if you're originally from anywhere in the 'tri-state' area you most certainly grew up knowing about Trump and what a 'sheister' he was. Nobody likes him here and certainly nobody trusts him. He's really nothing more than a very wealthy racketeer/thug.
 
Mr Person said:
Why don't these mainly conservative Texans want to stop the rapist hordes crossing their land on a daily basis with their drugs and their murder?
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Because it depends on where the ranch is some ranches are effected more than others. But if a barrier is built on some areas but not others illegals will start crossing where there is no wall. So the wall needs to be continuous. These ranchers will have to deal with it for the sake of their neighbors. And when they watch football they need to realize 200 homeowners gave up homes not just grazing land.
 
HumblePi said:
Do you even understand what a carpetbagger is? If you did, your claim would be in direct opposition to whatever point you thought you were trying to make.
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I do, and it was meant as humor really.
 
tres borrachos said:
Is it a daily event, illegals shooting at locals? I mean, it is a crisis after all, so obviously this must be happening all the time.
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No, but when it happened the media had a field day with it.
 
Taylor said:
I wonder how many people they had to interview before they found this woman?
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It would not be too hard to find those along the border to object to this, as the border counties are some of the biggest opponents to a wall. This issue sells in Tennessee and Mississippi better than it sells in south Texas, South New Mexico, South Arizona and Southern California. Frankly we should be listening to those on the border.

But, since you raised the issue with doubt without offering up any evidence that you are actually informed on the issue, let's explore, shall we? So I googled "How do people that live on the border feel about the wall"... this is what I got:

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article152402734.html
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10...border-mexico/
https://www.usatoday.com/border-wall...nde/638916001/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/p...r-wall-delano/
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immi...-as-some-think

..and, one of my favorite pieces on the issue..
[video]https://www.trutv.com/shows/adam-ruins-everything/videos/why-a-wall-wont-stop-immigration.html[/video]

Sorry, nothing within tells us that border towns feel differently about this than America as a whole, and, if anything are more negative about a wall than those that live far from the border. In fact, what I find most interesting is the congressional districts on the Southern Border are predominantly "blue"....

https://www.wired.com/story/is-us-leaning-red-or-blue-election-maps/

It would not be stretch to say, from a political perspective, that those that have been on the border don't want it. It seems that its those that have never been anywhere near the border that seem to be in most fear of the boogeyman.

If Trump really wants the wall (I am increasingly convinced he actually doesn't care, its about the fight and the issue rather than the result === the dog chasing the car), then make it a part of overall immigration reform legislation. He would actually give something of value to get something of value. The wall has 35% support. A comprehensive immigration reform bill, including a wall, could have 65% support.

Negotiation within the legislative process is the way government is suppose to work; throwing a hissy fit is the way kindergarten works.
 
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American said:
Is it O.L. Nate, Old Nate or Ole Nate?
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Old. When I signed up at DP I tried to make it "OldNate", but something got weird, I thought it didn't take, tried to create the account but it said the name was taken, so went with OlNate instead...and then Cap'n Courtesy almost booted me for double accounting. Just think, I was one apologetic email away from never joining up... ;)
 
cabse5 said:
How much land does a wall take, anyway?
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To be fair, they would need to take much more land than just the land the wall is on.

They would need land to patrol the wall and permission to follow illegals onto the private property in case anybody did get passed.
 
American said:
I do, and it was meant as humor really.
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This is the only way I want to see him inside of Trump Tower ever again, heading back UP to his gilded tower on the penthouse floor, waving 'bye bye'.

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Amelia said:
Trump will become the symbol of epic government overreach.

Couldn't happen to a nicer faux patriot.
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I wouldn't be so sure. I mean, we're talking Texas here. It's only considered over reach when someone other than the non-conservative factions do it.
 
Can the federal government use eminent domain to seize land from Indian reservations?
 
Never thought I'd see the day anyone with "republican" would defend federal use of eminent domain to steal land from landowners.

This is, indeed, the twilight zone.
 
Obscurity said:
Never thought I'd see the day anyone with "republican" would defend federal use of eminent domain to steal land from landowners.

This is, indeed, the twilight zone.
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The use of eminent domain for public projects like highways and reservoirs and border barriers is OK For Walmarts and football stadiums not so much.
 
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