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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by markjs View Post
    But I bet you were all OVER supporting the Bundy's in the standoff, no? You can just admit it if so, cuz I'm tired of Trump's base's "flexible reality".
    Don't be a hypocrite and leave out the part where Democrats are politically expedient. Let's see Schumer's and Clinton's speeches on the border.
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't be a hypocrite and leave out the part where Democrats are politically expedient. Let's see Schumer's and Clinton's speeches on the border.
    Can't bear scrutiny there, can you? That's what I thought, typical.
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by markjs View Post
    You too, bet you were a FULL supporter of the Bundy's "right to steal from the governemnt" right?
    Who? The murderer?

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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    When illegals who are also criminals shoot at the locals, odds are that the locals would appreciate better security.
    Is it a daily event, illegals shooting at locals? I mean, it is a crisis after all, so obviously this must be happening all the time.
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    What percentage of Texas landowners do you think are going to be happy selling their property to the government for Trump's wall?
    Shouldn't take too long to perform a real survey to find out.

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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Is it a daily event, illegals shooting at locals? I mean, it is a crisis after all, so obviously this must be happening all the time.
    I was told one event was one too many.

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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Eminent Domain.
    Yes. And I remember a time when real Republicans objected to it.

    That was back before the fake Republicans took over the party.
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    Who? The murderer?
    Are you that uneducated and uninformed? Unsurprising.

    Bundy Standoff.

    The 2014 Bundy standoff was an armed confrontation between supporters of cattle rancher Cliven Bundy and law enforcement following a 21-year legal dispute in which the United States Bureau of Land Management (BLM) obtained court orders directing Bundy to pay over $1 million in withheld grazing fees for Bundy's use of federally-owned land adjacent to Bundy's ranch in southeastern Nevada.

    The ongoing dispute started in 1993, when, in protest against changes in grazing rules, Bundy declined to renew his permit for cattle grazing on BLM-administered public lands near Bunkerville, Nevada.[2] According to Bundy, the federal government lacks the constitutional authority to own vast tracts of lands, an argument repeatedly rejected by federal courts. According to the BLM, Bundy continued to graze his cattle on public lands without a permit. In 1998, Bundy was prohibited by the United States District Court for the District of Nevada from grazing his cattle on an area of land later called the Bunkerville Allotment. In July 2013, federal judge Lloyd D. George ordered Bundy to refrain from trespassing on federally administered land in the Gold Butte area of Clark County.

    On March 27, 2014, 145,604 acres of federal land in Clark County were temporarily closed for the "capture, impound, and removal of trespass cattle." BLM officials and law enforcement rangers began a roundup of such livestock on April 5, and Cliven Bundy's son, Dave, was arrested.[3] On April 12, 2014, a group of protesters, some of them armed, approached the BLM "cattle gather". Sheriff Doug Gillespie negotiated with Bundy and newly-confirmed BLM director Neil Kornze, who elected to release the cattle and de-escalate the situation. As of the end of 2015, Cliven Bundy continued to graze his cattle on federal land and still had not paid the grazing fees.

    On February 10, 2016, Cliven Bundy traveled to Portland, Oregon, in response to federal law enforcement moving to end a standoff led by his sons Ammon and Ryan at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. He was arrested at the airport by the FBI and was incarcerated at the Multnomah County Jail. He was indicted for 16 federal felonies on February 17, along with Ammon and Ryan Bundy, militia leader Ryan Payne, and broadcaster Peter Santilli, who were already under arrest for their role in the Malheur standoff. Another 14 individuals were charged on March 3, 2016. Santilli subsequently pled guilty to felony conspiracy to injure or impede a federal officer.[4]

    On January 8, 2018, U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro in Las Vegas dismissed with prejudice the criminal charges against Cliven Bundy, his sons Ammon and Ryan, and co-defendant Ryan Payne regarding the standoff.[5][6]

    Cliven and Ammon Bundy, and their supporters, have claimed that the federal government lacks the authority to manage public lands. These arguments have been repeatedly rejected by legal scholars and federal courts, including the U.S. Supreme Court; the property clause of the United States Constitution grants plenary authority to Congress to manage federal property, including land.[7][8]
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I was told one event was one too many.
    So when did the event happen this week, since we hear about thousands of these illegals jumping in here every day?
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    Re: Texas landowners dig in to fight Trumpís border wall

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Yes. And I remember a time when real Republicans objected to it.

    That was back before the fake Republicans took over the party.
    I object to using Eminent Domain so the government can resell the property for other private uses. I'm pretty sure most Republicans feel the same way.

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