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Trump Walks Out of Border Talks, Calls Them ‘Total Waste of Time’

So what actions have you proposed to limit the thousands of deaths per year due to gun violence? oh yeah none. Nice try but your “hopes and prayers” don’t do anything. :lamo

He proposed building a wall for starts.
 
So what actions have you proposed to limit the thousands of deaths per year due to gun violence? oh yeah none. Nice try but your “hopes and prayers” don’t do anything. :lamo

I can see that you're now running out of good arguments.
I vehemently support background checks ALL THE TIME.
I would support the complete removal of all semi-automatic rifles.
I would even consider the removal of all hand guns.

I support these measures because England and Australia have proven it works wonders for the rate of gun violence.

Ya see...the main difference I see, between you and me, is that I don't engage in "group-think" nor do I let irrational screaming to sway my beliefs. It might surprise you to know that I'm not really a big Trump fan. I think he's boorish and has a long list of personality issues. But on this, and his opposition to 'Globalization'...I have to agree with him...because in those 2 cases, he's right.

It's not easy to be an independant thinker and not jump over the cliff just because all your friends are taking the leap. But it does save one from taking stupid leaps.
 
I oppose treating people who come here applying for asylum and equating their actions to the violent actions of drug smugglers and cartel members.

I believe in a government that maintains a system of laws so that the strong shall not harm the weak.

May I put in a rebuttal.


I 1000% agree that there is ZERO justification to equate Asylum Seekers to Criminals and Drugs runners. PERIOD.


NOW Here is my argument.


We have incentivized Asylum Seekers. What I mean is that FACTS remain. 70% of ALL Asylum seeking case are Denied PERIOD. 80% from the 3 major South American countries (Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador)

NEXT because the broad law, ANYONE AT the border CAN claim it. Does NOT mean they qualify its a CATCH all to delay the Deportation Process. 70% of all Asylum seekers as I stated DO NOT qualify this now devalues those CREDIBLE asylum seekers, SATURATES the board, Overwhelms the systems, assets, resources and processing.

Can I assume of the 70% that is DENIED 50% likely KNOW they will NOT qualify but because of the broad ruling it just makes sense to claim it?

NOW add in Trumps intention. HE wanted to BAN asylum seeks that were CAUGHT outside of a LEGAL port of entry. Meaning IF they were caught outside of a port of entry. They would NOT be able to claim Asylum. Let me ask you an honest question. If X persons had Credible FEAR of Danger to warrant asylum, why would the be caught crossing over illegally and NOT at a port of Entry WHICH the US HONORS Asylum claims? Why would the need to be caught NOT at a port of entry?

Because the are just trying to sneak in and if they get caught they can CLAIM ASYLUM as a default regardless.

We have incentified the Asylum rule as a catch all. So The 30% that FAIRLY has a chance is watered down delayed because of the 70% that just use it as an excuse.

the NEXT question is. CAN YOU in FACT tell me that ALL the people COMING across the board are "people escaping government persecution and religious persecution?" ASYLUM is NOT intended for jobs, its not for low living standards. Im sorry the WORLD is in Poverty we CANNOT as a nation save everyone. BUT the Asylum was intended to protect those persecuted by a governement or on their religious beliefs.

Here is full detail

section 101(a)(42)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), states that a refugee is someone who is unable or unwilling to return to and avail himself or herself of the protection of his or her country of nationality or, if stateless, country of last habitual residence because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

NO where does it say no Job, No Money, bad economy, spousal abuse etc.

With your Final statement.

"I believe in a government that maintains a system of laws" THESE PEOPLE's Government of Origin is failing them. So not it because the US's responsibilities?

NEXT, DO WE NOT have a system of LAWS? So if people want to ABUSE IT just like how the Asylum LAW is being abused, 675,000 APPLICATIONS pending..... Seriously that is 1/10 of Jews killed in the Holocaust. THERE IS not Holocaust at this point. YET there is 675,000 PENDING application. By Asylum definition What event is gong on that justifies 675,000 pending applications of "well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion"


Talk big about laws. Fact remains. PEOPLE are intentionally disregarding our LAWS and more so ABUSING THEM.....(Birthright Citizenship, Tourist VISA over-stayers, Illegal employee etc) WE are a system of Laws and we must comply and enforce if not whats the point.
 
It truly is a shame to see so many people ignoring the costs of illegal immigration in human and fiscal terms then calling Trump a cry baby. We finally have a President actually doing what the constitution requires, provide for the national defense by securing our border. This drives people like you crazy who just want to defeat Trump as this isn't even an issue of concern to you

I'd say guns are much more of a problem that immigrants. Much much more.
As for Trump, he is doing nothing but grandstanding, driven by his egotistical and racist ways. He does not give 2 ****s about you, immigrants and people killed by immigrants. And if you think he does then you're a god-damned fool.
 
Border security yes. A wall no. Even the citizens of McAllen Texas who Trump tried to sell the wall to didn't want it. Emergency room healthcare is the most expensive health care there is yet Conservatives are happy with it.

The border patrol does want it.
 
I'd say guns are much more of a problem that immigrants. Much much more.
As for Trump, he is doing nothing but grandstanding, driven by his egotistical and racist ways. He does not give 2 ****s about you, immigrants and people killed by immigrants. And if you think he does then you're a god-damned fool.

Guns are legal, illegal immigration isn't. very simple solution, pass the bill in Congress, let trump veto the bill then over ride the veto. What are you afraid of?
 
The border patrol does want it.

I didn't say anything about the border patrol. I'm sure some of the border patrol want it. If not all of them. Its money in their pockets and more government jobs.
 
Smart people don't oppose proven measures to keep their own people safe.
That would be 'selfish' and 'hate filled' people.

What is your fascination with hate? Hate is the opposite of love, friend. If you love Donald Trump, I'd prefer you keep that to yourself.

By the way, most regulations were put in place to keep people safe. Donald Trump, and you and the rest of his adoring fans, oppose them. Are you selfish, or simply filled with hate?
 
The dems were never willing to fund a wall unless it was accompanied by comprehensive immigration reform, or a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers. You are wrong on the facts

The House just passed some bills to re-open the govt. According to the process set out in the Consitution, it is the Senates job to either vote on that bill, or come up with their own bill and vote on that. McConnell has refused to do his job. McConnell should be an adult and do whats right, what he was in favor of doing before Trump was even considering shutting the govt down.

He should do his job
Agreed.
The House cannot be responsible for a government shutdown after they have already passed the same enabling legislation that the Senate Republicans unanimously passed no less than 3 weeks ago. Pelosi literally gave McConnell and the Republican caucus back their own bills with a bow wrapped around them. Elections have consequences and the most recent Congressional ones did not validate Trump's immigration vision. Its not The House Dems job, to supply Trump with votes for a wall that they campaigned against and won 40 seats opposing. They are supposed to keep their campaign promises to their constituents, not help Trump break his, from two years prior.
 
The border patrol does want it.

I thought the border patrol last night that gave their testimonies sharing how barriers work in controlling the influx and are severely needed ASAP giving specific locations along with censors, and other aids that they need to do their jobs effectively

And I think the biggest bomb yesterday was CNN's Acosta filming himself walking along a border wall saying he didn't see any crisis on the border and it was rather peaceful. And Trump and a whole lot of other people bested him good by thanking him for helping to prove walls work. :)
 
Yes isn't that nice and muddy?
The bottom line is, when a cop knows a guy is an illegal, he cannot tell the ICE authorities.
Then people get killed by illeagals who should not have been there.
[emphasis added by bubba]

why would a cop seek to learn about the immigration status of someone (s)he encountered. it is not any portion of their duties
 
And a wall won’t stop the problem either.

from the border patrol union webpage:
Walls and fences are temporary solutions that focus on the symptom (illegal immigration) rather than the problem (employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens)

Walls and fences are only a speed bump, people who want to come to the United States to obtain employment will continue to go over, under and around the walls and fences that are constructed
 
Good. So I guess you're opposed to stupidity like sanctuary cities and the dumb idea that walls don't work?

sanctuary cities are nothing other than communities that refuse to use their tax dollars to subsidize the federal obligation to deal with illegal immigration
 
In the process it would alert the feds to the name and current address of countless illegal immigrants - that is why E-Verify remains essentially voluntary. What congress wants is to pass only symbolic measures to be able to claim to have "taken action" on illegal immigration in order to keep that, all important, campaign cash rolling in from "job creators" enjoying low cost labor.

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from the border patrol union webpage:

This should be obvious to all thinking adults yet somehow is not being addressed by our sage congress critters. One might suspect that they have "good" reasons for doing so. Perhaps some wish to keep US labor costs as low as possible and others simply enjoy the associated demographic changes.
 
I thought the border patrol last night that gave their testimonies sharing how barriers work in controlling the influx and are severely needed ASAP giving specific locations along with censors, and other aids that they need to do their jobs effectively

And I think the biggest bomb yesterday was CNN's Acosta filming himself walking along a border wall saying he didn't see any crisis on the border and it was rather peaceful. And Trump and a whole lot of other people bested him good by thanking him for helping to prove walls work. :)

Interesting take on the briefing given to Trump by Border Patrol agents during his visit to Texas

Border Patrol Agent Shows Trump Tunnels Under Border Wall

As President Donald Trump toured the U.S.-Mexico border on Friday, one official explained to him how enterprising crossers dig tunnels under walled off sections of the border.

During a roundtable discussion with law enforcement officials in McAllen, Texas, aired on CNN, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agent Melissa Lucio showed Trump photos of such tunnels.

“Here, this is just a couple of miles from where we stand,” Lucio explained. “This is a tunnel. This is the second tunnel recently that we have located. This is an area that we actually have wall.”
 
Guns are legal, illegal immigration isn't. very simple solution, pass the bill in Congress, let trump veto the bill then over ride the veto. What are you afraid of?

Guns can be illegal. And more of them should be.
 
I think you're forgetting that DACA was part of the deal. I do think the Dems should counter with DACA and other things and give Trump his 5 billion. But to just give it to him outright because he's crying like a child would be foolish. Especially considering Dems have folded like chairs to the Repugs in the last little while. They need to stop being the *****.

I'm not forgetting anything. Trump is an idiot, but the Democrats are not even trying right now because they would rather hurt Trump than do the right thing.
 
The dems were never willing to fund a wall unless it was accompanied by comprehensive immigration reform, or a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers. You are wrong on the facts

The House just passed some bills to re-open the govt. According to the process set out in the Consitution, it is the Senates job to either vote on that bill, or come up with their own bill and vote on that. McConnell has refused to do his job. McConnell should be an adult and do whats right, what he was in favor of doing before Trump was even considering shutting the govt down.

He should do his job

Never said anything close to that, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up to me, nor why you're saying I'm wrong on facts. Maybe you meant to quote someone else?
 
Who said it would fix all our problems?
Literally no one said it would fix ALL of our problems. I said it would fix illegal immigration, meaning generally, not 100%

Please stop reading words which are not there. In this case, you added "all" when I did not type "all". You changed what I said and the addressed the thing you made up. That's exactly what a Strawman argument is, so of course you proceed to accuse me of wht you just did yourself, probably as a smoke screen to make me defensive. That **** doesn't work on me.
 
Interesting take on the briefing given to Trump by Border Patrol agents during his visit to Texas

First off, tunneling under the current walls will continue and it tends to happen with fencing that border patrol can not observe what is happening on the other side which is a good amount of fencing. That is why those who are responsible for securing the border want a barrier that they can see through.

Second, no barrier is going to keep everyone out but it does stop many and hinders others. Barriers are a crucial aid in assisting the border patrol in maintaining the influx coming across the border along with all their drugs, guns, etc.

Third, if the border walls were equipped with censors those tunneling under them would be detected before they made it through to the other side. Technology with a wall barriers working together would greatly aid in truly securing the border. Those who tunnel are associated with the drug cartels.

If you don't think that 300 a week are dying in this country from overdoses due to heroine alone where 90% of heroine is entering this country through Mexico then you have lost all common sense. Then there is that lethal drug fentanyl that is so dangerous. And that alone doesn't even measure all the families in this country that have been devastated over a loved one becoming addicted to the drugs. Everything associated with these drugs is costing states and the federal government a WHOLE lot of money. Enough money that could solve every damn infrastructure ill in this country.

The cost to every taxpayer for every illegal who enters this country at all different means costs the taxpayers on the average 77,000 each and a very good portion of that amount is a burden on every state and they are feeling the toll.
 
Never said anything close to that, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up to me, nor why you're saying I'm wrong on facts. Maybe you meant to quote someone else?

You said
2) recently, the Democrats were in favor of a barrier at a cost a hell of a lot higher than the number currently discussed - they were closer to correct with that number vs the current number but they're playing politics with national security by saying no money, no way, just to defy Trump.

This thread is about building a wall, not a barrier. You implied that because they were in favor of building a barrier, their opposition to building a wall was playing politics. I merely pointed out that your argument was an apples to oranges comparison.
 
You said


This thread is about building a wall, not a barrier. You implied that because they were in favor of building a barrier, their opposition to building a wall was playing politics. I merely pointed out that your argument was an apples to oranges comparison.
How was Trump able to leave at all given that there were walls?
 
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