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    Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    This is now the clearest evidence of direct collusion between the trump campaign and Russian intelligence during the election.

    This is in spite of the fact that the Trump Tower meeting was itself collusion, along with, um....well...the fact that Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails.

    Trump supporters have already moved the goal posts to "Manafort was pressured into falsely confessing to sharing the polling data" as well as "Polling data? Big deal." So if you're planning on changing trump supporter minds....seriously, don't bother.

    WASHINGTON ó As a top official in President Trumpís campaign, Paul Manafort shared political polling data with a business associate tied to Russian intelligence, according to a court filing unsealed on Tuesday. The document provided the clearest evidence to date that the Trump campaign may have tried to coordinate with Russians during the 2016 presidential race.

    Mr. Manafortís lawyers made the disclosure by accident, through a formatting error in a document filed to respond to charges that he had lied to prosecutors working for the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, after agreeing to cooperate with their investigation into Russian interference in the election.

    The document also revealed that during the campaign, Mr. Manafort and his Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, discussed a plan for peace in Ukraine. Throughout the campaign and the early days of the Trump administration, Russia and its allies were pushing various plans for Ukraine in the hope of gaining relief from American-led sanctions imposed after it annexed Crimea from Ukraine.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/u...gtype=Homepage

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    What polling data was shared? What coordinated outcome is only possible with polling data?

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    I am sure he did.
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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    This is now the clearest evidence of direct collusion between the trump campaign and Russian intelligence during the election.

    This is in spite of the fact that the Trump Tower meeting was itself collusion, along with, um....well...the fact that Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clinton's emails.

    Trump supporters have already moved the goal posts to "Manafort was pressured into falsely confessing to sharing the polling data" as well as "Polling data? Big deal." So if you're planning on changing trump supporter minds....seriously, don't bother.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/u...gtype=Homepage
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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    What polling data was shared? What coordinated outcome is only possible with polling data?
    ...and the goal posts move from "prove collusion happened" to "prove the collusion was significant enough to impress me."

    In a few months it'll be, "Prove that Trump personally hacked into voting computers and changed their numbers."

    In a few months after that it'll be, "Okay, so Trump actually did hack into voting computers and change their numbers. Prove that it was enough to change the outcome of the election."

    Anybody following trump supporters down these bottomless rabbit holes are engaging in masochism.

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...and the goal posts move from "prove collusion happened" to "prove the collusion was significant enough to impress me."

    In a few months it'll be, "Prove that Trump personally hacked into voting computers and changed their numbers."

    In a few months after that it'll be, "Okay, so Trump actually did hack into voting computers and changed their numbers. Prove that it was enough to change the outcome of the election."

    Anybody following trump supporters down these bottomless rabbit holes are engaging in masochism.
    I'm asking what do you think was the outcome of the sharing? i.e. what was the point

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Your side gets more comical with every passing day.


    I know there's some nefarious point you're trying to make so why don't you make it? If all this is true, in what way would Trump's campaign manager sharing some polling data with some obscure Russian prove Trump was colluding with Russia and what exactly was he colluding for? To keep someone with Russian ties up to date on how the election looked 6 months before the election?
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    Nevertheless people should be cautious in doubting Buzzfeed's journalistic chops.

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I'm asking what do you think was the outcome of the sharing? i.e. what was the point
    To quantify the outcome is to agree to your shifting of the goal posts by attempting to convince you that the sharing was significant. I don't need to do that. Trump supporters wanted evidence of collusion, and now they have it.

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...and the goal posts move from "prove collusion happened" to "prove the collusion was significant enough to impress me."

    In a few months it'll be, "Prove that Trump personally hacked into voting computers and changed their numbers."

    In a few months after that it'll be, "Okay, so Trump actually did hack into voting computers and change their numbers. Prove that it was enough to change the outcome of the election."

    Anybody following trump supporters down these bottomless rabbit holes are engaging in masochism.

    And your side will be like, Trump said Russia. Collusion!!
    Quote Originally Posted by NeverTrumpGOP View Post
    Nevertheless people should be cautious in doubting Buzzfeed's journalistic chops.

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    Re: Manafort Accused of Sharing Trump Polling Data With Russian Associate

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    To quantify the outcome is to agree to your shifting of the goal posts by attempting to convince you that the sharing was significant. I don't need to do that. Collusion happened, and that's the end of that.
    Thank you for explaining what collusion is to you.

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