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US economy added 312,000 jobs in December

bluesmoke said:
You just simply refuse to give the bls tables that you used to get the figures you give. What’s so hard to show others your source? BLS has many tables. If you won’t let me see the source you are working with, you’re being rather coy, to say the least. You also refuse to recognize the fact that Obama inherited the Great Recession, which resulted in a DECREASE in the number of employed from which point Obama had to go. From where employment went up over 15M. My BLS stats may be from different tables than yours. However, you won’t show me your source, will you? If you did, the figure might even be higher. Show me yours and I’ll show you mine. It’s your original claim. It’s up to you to show the evidence source or your claim is unfounded and your point of debate is lost.

“the lost jobs that returned aren't new jobs created”

That’s your own created definition, not that of the BLS. They go by “jobs growth”, being the increase in jobs from one month to the next, regardless of if the prior month was down from the month before.
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Post 67 gave you the link to the tables used to support my claims as those are the links used to tout the BLS employment and unemployment numbers. again, you run when given even what you asked for because you cannot refute the data and are incapable of admitting when wrong
 
Conservative said:
So you want to gov't to provide a home for every American? Who pays for it? Hope you grow out of this entitlement mentality but also hope you learn the role of the state and local governments. Most people eventually grow up and learn that taking care of one's self is better than being dependent on a massive central gov't to do it for you.

Safety Nets are also available in the state and local communities where are closer to the problem, have term limits, are the entities that pay for the uninsured as well as the problems the poor create yet for some reason you believe that is a federal responsibility.

My question stands, where did you develop this entitlement mentality and believe it was federal responsibility to provide for Domestic and local welfare to those in need?
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No, I don't want the government to provide a home for every American.

I want the US government's policies to benefit the people of the US. Boom and bust on the massive scale that is currently being seen is not good, there needs to be more longer term vision for the economy that "I want to get reelected in 2/4 years time"
 
Frigidweirdo said:
No, I don't want the government to provide a home for every American.

I want the US government's policies to benefit the people of the US. Boom and bust on the massive scale that is currently being seen is not good, there needs to be more longer term vision for the economy that "I want to get reelected in 2/4 years time"
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Do you understand the role of the state and local governments which you have control over due to term limits? why are you looking at the federal bureaucrats to solve state and local issues?
 
Conservative said:
Do you understand the role of the state and local governments which you have control over due to term limits? why are you looking at the federal bureaucrats to solve state and local issues?
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I'm getting the feeling you're not reading what I'm writing.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
I'm getting the feeling you're not reading what I'm writing.
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Understand completely, you are a big gov't liberal looking to the federal bureaucrats to do what you cannot do in your own state and therein lies the problem. States control their own banking issues so why are you expecting the federal bureaucrats to solve your own state and local problems
 
Conservative said:
Facts without context aren't truly facts at all. You have yet to explain the role of Congress in your chart, did Clinton have a Democratic Congress?
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You're right, Bill Clinton and Al Gore deserve a lot of credit for working with a Republican Congress. Hell, Trump can't work with a Republican nor a Democratic Congress. I'm sure that we can agree that this is dysfunctional government.
 
Media_Truth said:
You're right, Bill Clinton and Al Gore deserve a lot of credit for working with a Republican Congress. Hell, Trump can't work with a Republican nor a Democratic Congress. I'm sure that we can agree that this is dysfunctional government.
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LOL, so you believe it is possible to work with the radicals in the Democratic Party? Which one or ones? AOC, Warren, who??
 
Conservative said:
Understand completely, you are a big gov't liberal looking to the federal bureaucrats to do what you cannot do in your own state and therein lies the problem. States control their own banking issues so why are you expecting the federal bureaucrats to solve your own state and local problems
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Do you understand how boom and bust works? Doesn't look like it.
 
ludin said:
Look at GDP growth. 1.5% yearly? that is a stagnant economy according to pretty much every economist out there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...g-about-trump-economy/?utm_term=.b205a0841c5f

PS you should take your own advice instead of preaching at other people.
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“Look at GDP growth. 1.5% yearly?”

That 1.5% included the 2009 -2.5% begat of the Great Recession. Or, was that recession Obama’s fault? Every economic indicator that is a positive for the average American (and the rich and large corps, for that matter) went up. You can’t provide the factual evidence to support that the average worker benefits more by a rising GDP. There is a relationship to employment, but not wages. Regardless, like I stated, that relationship was otherwise than you might think under Obama.

“that is a stagnant economy according to pretty much every economist out there.”

You fail to give evidence supporting your definition of a stagnant economy. Obama had the fourth longest period of economic growth in US history with rising employment. That does not meet the definition.

“take your own advice”

I do take my own advice and back up what I say with evidence of fact when appropriate. You have not.

“instead of preaching at other people.”

There was no moral message in my post. My post was not from “on high” but rather based on fact and definition. You can take it however you wish.
 
Conservative said:
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LOL, so you believe it is possible to work with the radicals in the Democratic Party? Which one or ones? AOC, Warren, who??
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Even more funny than your LOL is the fact that Trump can't work with his own Party.:lamo

I'm sure that we can agree that this is dysfunctional government.
 
bluesmoke said:
“Look at GDP growth. 1.5% yearly?”

That 1.5% included the 2009 -2.5% begat of the Great Recession. Or, was that recession Obama’s fault? Every economic indicator that is a positive for the average American (and the rich and large corps, for that matter) went up. You can’t provide the factual evidence to support that the average worker benefits more by a rising GDP. There is a relationship to employment, but not wages. Regardless, like I stated, that relationship was otherwise than you might think under Obama.

“that is a stagnant economy according to pretty much every economist out there.”

You fail to give evidence supporting your definition of a stagnant economy. Obama had the fourth longest period of economic growth in US history with rising employment. That does not meet the definition.

“take your own advice”

I do take my own advice and back up what I say with evidence of fact when appropriate. You have not.

“instead of preaching at other people.”

There was no moral message in my post. My post was not from “on high” but rather based on fact and definition. You can take it however you wish.
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Do you understand the components of GDP? How is it what the left called the worst recession since the Great Depression have the WORST recovery in history? Again, gave you the link to the data I post which as expected you ignored. You going to tell me why anyone should vote FOR a Democrat and what results with they provide that Trump hasn't?
 
Media_Truth said:
Even more funny than your LOL is the fact that Trump can't work with his own Party.:lamo

I'm sure that we can agree that this is dysfunctional government.
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Dysfunctional should look so good as the results being generated.
 
Media_Truth said:
Even more funny than your LOL is the fact that Trump can't work with his own Party.:lamo

I'm sure that we can agree that this is dysfunctional government.
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Based upon the results being generated I am getting exactly the results I had hoped for and voted for. Seems that it is you that has a problem as you continue to support the establishment and the fact that Trump is pissing off the establishment on both sides doesn't indicate a dysfunctional gov't but rather exactly the reality of the need for term limits and a gov't doing the job for the American people not special interest groups and radicals.

I am waiting for anyone including you to step up and give a valid reason to vote FOR a Democrat in 2020, one that will answer the following questions and one that will generate the results promised like Trump is doing

Question 1: Some of you have, or had, the power to change many of the things you now say are wrong with America. Why didn’t you?

Question 2 (for Joe Biden): You and President Obama, for a time, had a Democratic majority in Congress. Why didn’t you reform immigration laws and address homelessness? Your administration deported a lot of people who were in the country illegally, so why criticize President Trump for wanting to follow your example? Do our laws mean nothing?

Question 3: During the second debate, all of you raised your hands when asked if you would provide free health care to immigrants who are here illegally. Aren’t you inviting even more to come to America with such a policy, and wouldn’t that add to our already staggering debt? Follow-up: Trump said we should take care of Americans first. Why would you use American tax dollars to pay for people who break our laws?

Question 4: Is there anything Trump has done that you could praise? Many of you talk as if unemployment hasn’t declined — especially for minorities — and wages haven’t risen. Unemployment is at, or near, record lows and wages are up.

Question 5: Some of you think raising taxes again is a good idea, but with $22 trillion in federal debt and with record amounts of revenue already coming into Washington, isn’t the real problem uncontrolled spending? Follow-up: Are there any government programs you would cut or eliminate?

Question 6: Many of you have a lot of complaints about the United States. Is there anything positive you could say?

Question 7: Many of you have criticized President Trump for confronting Iran and withdrawing from the nuclear deal. Iran is a major sponsor of terrorism in the world and its leaders say they have a religious mandate to wipe out Israel and impose Islamic law on everyone. How would you negotiate with their leaders and what is your plan for fighting terrorism?

Question 8: Some of you say Russia is the greatest existential threat and others name China. Russia has been supporting the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad and the crumbling dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela. Russia has also sent a warship to Cuba. How would you oppose Russia’s adventurism and China’s expansionism? How would you deal with China spying on us?

Question 9 (for Sen. Kamala Harris): You attacked Joe Biden for working with segregationist senators during his time in the Senate. He (and Lyndon Johnson, who pushed through significant civil rights legislation in the ’60s) said it was necessary in order to accomplish anything. If you were in the Senate at that time, would you have refused to work with those senators, possibly scuttling significant legislation that has led to improvements in the lives of many Americans, including African-Americans?

Question 10: There have been 60 million abortions in America since the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision in 1973. According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than five times as likely as white women to have an abortion. Does this trouble you? Follow-up: Some states allow babies to die if they survive an abortion and some call that infanticide. Are you opposed to that practice?
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bluesmoke said:
“Look at GDP growth. 1.5% yearly?”

That 1.5% included the 2009 -2.5% begat of the Great Recession. Or, was that recession Obama’s fault? Every economic indicator that is a positive for the average American (and the rich and large corps, for that matter) went up. You can’t provide the factual evidence to support that the average worker benefits more by a rising GDP. There is a relationship to employment, but not wages. Regardless, like I stated, that relationship was otherwise than you might think under Obama.

“that is a stagnant economy according to pretty much every economist out there.”

You fail to give evidence supporting your definition of a stagnant economy. Obama had the fourth longest period of economic growth in US history with rising employment. That does not meet the definition.

“take your own advice”

I do take my own advice and back up what I say with evidence of fact when appropriate. You have not.

“instead of preaching at other people.”

There was no moral message in my post. My post was not from “on high” but rather based on fact and definition. You can take it however you wish.
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I just backed up my post your denial fallacy is expected have a nice day.
 
Conservative said:
Do you ever offer solutions to prevent your projected doom and gloom?
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Yes.

1) Long term economic politics.

The presidential term limits mean that a president, in his first four years, is trying really hard to make the economy look good. Bush did it. And what happened? Obama didn't really have much choice, seeing how bad the economy was. Trump is doing it too.

Potentially getting rid of the presidency as it exists now, and replacing it with something better. Maybe an executive office run by multiple people, potentially appointed by the legislature as happens in Switzerland, potentially having some directly elected politicians and others who are not.

2) Slowing the economy when it's rising and pushing it a little when it's dipping to keep it steady, as China is doing.

You're never going to totally eliminate recessions, though you can make the recessions much less devastating as the last one was.
 
Conservative said:
Dysfunctional should look so good as the results being generated.
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We know how Republicans love Trillion Dollar deficits. Them's the results. And billionaires have a lot more money.
 
Conservative said:
US economy added 312,000 jobs in December, blowing past expectations | Fox BusinessHighest number of jobs created since the late 90's. Total employment increase since Trump took office, 4.8 million...
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In November of 2014 the US economy added 321K jobs. In the 28 months since the Executive took office, the US economy added 5.003M jobs. In the last 28 months of the 44th Presidents Administration the US economy added 5.5M jobs.

So no, December 2018 jobs numbers was not the “highest number of jobs created since the 1990’s.
Given that this Executive has created less jobs in the same amount of time than the 44th President created, I cannot qualify his policies as any more beneficial to our nation. Furthermore, the 44th President did not enact tax cuts that have led to permanent trillion dollar deficits as this Executive has.

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Frigidweirdo said:
Yes.

1) Long term economic politics.

The presidential term limits mean that a president, in his first four years, is trying really hard to make the economy look good. Bush did it. And what happened? Obama didn't really have much choice, seeing how bad the economy was. Trump is doing it too.

Potentially getting rid of the presidency as it exists now, and replacing it with something better. Maybe an executive office run by multiple people, potentially appointed by the legislature as happens in Switzerland, potentially having some directly elected politicians and others who are not.

2) Slowing the economy when it's rising and pushing it a little when it's dipping to keep it steady, as China is doing.

You're never going to totally eliminate recessions, though you can make the recessions much less devastating as the last one was.
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Please take a civics, economic and history class as you are not apparently educated in either. The economy is rising and continues to rise but you don't understand the components of GDP. and have nothing but gloom and doom to offer never solutions or policies. You think the Democratic Party has any policies that will prevent a recession or will their policies create a recession like Carter did? Like the dot.com explosion did?
 
Media_Truth said:
We know how Republicans love Trillion Dollar deficits. Them's the results. And billionaires have a lot more money.
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Name for me a Republican that had a trillion dollar deficit, official deficit not a created one by you? Such class envy and jealousy from you.
 
Destroyer15 said:
In November of 2014 the US economy added 321K jobs. In the 28 months since the Executive took office, the US economy added 5.003M jobs. In the last 28 months of the 44th Presidents Administration the US economy added 5.5M jobs.

So no, December 2018 jobs numbers was not the “highest number of jobs created since the 1990’s.
Given that this Executive has created less jobs in the same amount of time than the 44th President created, I cannot qualify his policies as any more beneficial to our nation. Furthermore, the 44th President did not enact tax cuts that have led to permanent trillion dollar deficits as this Executive has.

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Here is your problem you have no understanding of the BLS data and context which shows part time for economic reason jobs are included in those numbers, the reality is the base was 146 million(January-March 2008), a record at the time with a Democratic Congress of which Obama was part of, then Obama takes office with that same Democratic Congress, TARP, NO Budget and then had his stimulus passed almost day One. There weren't 14 million jobs created as a job lost that returns isn't a job created, there were 6 million new jobs created from the 146 million to 152 million in January 2017. Why would anyone give a President credit for seeing jobs go from 142 million down to 139 million two years later and then returning to 146 million in June 2014 a good stimulus or performance? Cost 842 billion dollars doing nothing for the private sector
 
Conservative said:
Please take a civics, economic and history class as you are not apparently educated in either. The economy is rising and continues to rise but you don't understand the components of GDP. and have nothing but gloom and doom to offer never solutions or policies. You think the Democratic Party has any policies that will prevent a recession or will their policies create a recession like Carter did? Like the dot.com explosion did?
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Sigh.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Sigh.
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Yes, sigh, still no answer to the question as to why such loyalty to the liberal ideology and never any data or facts to support your claims, just more diversion and sighs This is why liberals should never be put back into power at the national level. Apparently the 4.7 trillion dollar federal gov't of which 75% is entitlement spending isn't enough.

1.4 trillion discretionary spending(defense etc), 2.8 trillion entitlement spending(SS and Medicare) 500 billion in debt service= 4.7 trillion budget(2020)

National defense-FIT
International affairs-FIT
General science, space, and technology-FIT
Energy-FIT
Natural resources and environment-FIT
Agriculture-FIT
Commerce and housing credit-FIT
Transportation-EXCISE
Community and regional development-FIT
Education, training, employment and social services-FIT
Health-FIT
Medicare-FICA
Income security-FIT
Social security-FICA
Veterans benefits and services-FIT
Administration of justice-FIT
General Government-FIT
Net interest-FIT
 
Conservative said:
Here is your problem you have no understanding of the BLS data and context which shows part time for economic reason jobs are included in those numbers, the reality is the base was 146 million(January-March 2008), a record at the time with a Democratic Congress of which Obama was part of, then Obama takes office with that same Democratic Congress, TARP, NO Budget and then had his stimulus passed almost day One. There weren't 14 million jobs created as a job lost that returns isn't a job created, there were 6 million new jobs created from the 146 million to 152 million in January 2017. Why would anyone give a President credit for seeing jobs go from 142 million down to 139 million two years later and then returning to 146 million in June 2014 a good stimulus or performance? Cost 842 billion dollars doing nothing for the private sector
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Like it or not friend, the jobs you herald as being created by this Executive bear out to be a continuation of the inertia of the previous Administration. I can allow for deregulation sustaining that inertia to an extent, but there is little evidence the tax cuts which enacted permanent trillion dollar deficits helped anything. Besides, according to the Executive, 89 Million Americans are still unemployed. Anyways, unemployment numbers are fake news, right?

“94 million Americans are out of the labor force.”
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Destroyer15 said:
Like it or not friend, the jobs you herald as being created by this Executive bear out to be a continuation of the inertia of the previous Administration. I can allow for deregulation sustaining that inertia to an extent, but there is little evidence the tax cuts which enacted permanent trillion dollar deficits helped anything. Besides, according to the Executive, 89 Million Americans are still unemployed. Anyways, unemployment numbers are fake news, right?

“94 million Americans are out of the labor force.”
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Look, Friend, facts are that Obama had the worst recovery from a recession in modern history and the fact is you can offer no legislation that Obama authored that led to the results you want to credit him in creating. Why is that? Why do you buy rhetoric and never support it with data just media reports and talking points?

Permanent trillion dollar deficits??? Please point to ONE actual trillion dollar deficit after the four straight years of Obama's trillion dollar deficits, 2009-10-11-12?

Do you realize that employment numbers INCLUDE part time for economic reason employees? Those are employees who want full time jobs but had to settle for part time jobs in that so called booming Obama economy. why doesn't that resonate with you?

What was Obama hired to do when he ran for President and announced in 2007? Employment was 146 million in January-March 2008 so wasn't he supposed to return to those numbers with his stimulus. With those 146 million there were 4.8 million part time for economic reason employees. That 146 million was never reached until 2014 and included in that 146 million were 7.4 million part time jobs for economic reasons. When he left office there were 152 million employed with 5.7 million part time for economic reasons. So rather than letting the left make a fool out of you why don't you learn how to research data?
 
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