Hospitals will have to post prices online starting January 1

Mycroft said:

No. It's not about an Obamacare provision. It's about an action by the HHS that goes into effect on Jan 1.

YOU want to make it about Obamacare.

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The directive and authority to require hospitals to publicly post their charges comes from Section 2718(e) of the Public Health Service Act, which was added by the Affordable Care Act. No Obamacare, no requirement. If the law is struck down in its entirety, as the GOP hopes, HHS can't do this.

Not sure how to make this any simpler. Picture book perhaps?

Mr Person said:

I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about, hence, you were immediately shot down.

I'm further saying that it is downright embarrassing to watch someone try to cough over a fart. Just own the fart. You farted it, right there, for all to see and hear.

You think you're saving face, but really, you're just farting even louder.






Did the simple analogy help?

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:lamo :lamo :lamo

Mr Person said:

I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about, hence, you were immediately shot down.

I'm further saying that it is downright embarrassing to watch someone try to cough over a fart. Just own the fart. You farted it, right there, for all to see and hear.

You think you're saving face, but really, you're just farting even louder.






Did the simple analogy help?

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Funniest post of the month..

Greenbeard said:

The directive and authority to require hospitals to publicly post their charges comes from Section 2718(e) of the Public Health Service Act, which was added by the Affordable Care Act. No Obamacare, no requirement. If the law is struck down in its entirety, as the GOP hopes, HHS can't do this.

Not sure how to make this any simpler. Picture book perhaps?

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sigh...

We've already established that the current rules have nothing to do with Obamacare...that if Obamacare went away today, the rules would still be in effect. These new rules are enacted because of the agenda of the current HHS Secretary.

Now...I'm not going to rehash this whole thread with you. You are dismissed.

Mycroft said:

We've already established that the current rules have nothing to do with Obamacare...that if Obamacare went away today, the rules would still be in effect.

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Clearly you're not getting this. There would still be a Medicare IPPS rule because Medicare would still exist and reimburse hospitals for inpatient services. The IPPS rule would not contain this requirement around public posting of hospital chargemasters. That's because this requirement stems from the ACA. Get it yet?

In case it's not obvious, it's probably worth pointing out why this matters.

We are now eight years into a broad-based reform of the health system, slowly turning a 10,000-ton ship in the direction of paying for value and incorporating more market dynamics into the system. This is the colossally important project that Secretary Azar, among others, calls system transformation. Better financial incentives and smarter organization of care delivery. The individual pieces--and, I suspect, the overall project--are widely popular ideas, as long as people don't know their genesis: give people the information they need to make better decisions, enable and incent providers to do a better job delivering care if they want our cash.

You've got rightwingers in this very thread praising the charge transparency requirement, not knowing where it comes from, and touting the revamp of Medicare payment toward rewarding value, not knowing where that comes from.

Yet the right has spent eight years attempting to go backwards and reverse this progress. Now they're fervently hoping the courts will somehow achieve that for them. They're trying to nullify all of this as we speak.

And all along they have no idea what they're trying to throw out. No idea what the impact of "success" in their kamikaze mission would entail.

It would be funny if it wasn't so serious. This isn't about political point-scoring, this is about an entire party attempting to severely damage the health system without even knowing what the hell they're doing.

Praxas said:

Such is the ignorance from the anti-ACA folks. They are celebrating what the ACA already does.

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Isn't it funny that yet again, a feature of Obamacare other than the mandate proves to be popular?