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Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

So if the deal is “stupid,” then the wall idea is stupid, right?

"If you don't give us what we want, we won't give you resources to do what the Government is supposed to be doing," is dumb in the context that the Government is supposed to protect citizens of this country (which is what a wall would do) and not citizens of another country (which is what the wall is being exchanged for).
 
"If you don't give us what we want, we won't give you resources to do what the Government is supposed to be doing," is dumb in the context that the Government is supposed to protect citizens of this country (which is what a wall would do) and not citizens of another country (which is what the wall is being exchanged for).

Trump and his cult can throw a hissy fit til the cows come home. The House is never going to piss of 25 billion plus on his silly wall.....get used to it.
 
Trump and his cult can throw a hissy fit til the cows come home. The House is never going to piss of 25 billion plus on his silly wall.....get used to it.

They're never going to pass anything else; and they don't have the votes to override his vote. Your entire hope is that Trump will see things your way. He won't; nor should he...
 
They're never going to pass anything else; and they don't have the votes to override his vote. Your entire hope is that Trump will see things your way. He won't; nor should he...

You have no idea of what my hopes are. You're just speculating. ( fact )
 


Ive repeatedly asked, with nothing but deflection from trump apologists, what trump is offering. He makes demands easily, and behaves like a spoiled brat (so do his worshipers) when he doesn’t get his way unconditionally, but he never offers anything in return.

At one point in the not too distant past, the Dems did offer $20B in exchange for
support of permanent protections for the nearly 700,000 young undocumented immigrants covered under the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. Trump rejected that offer.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ocrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

So enough with the whines about eeevil Dems refusing to negotiate. The only one who has steadfastly refused to negotiate is trump.

Show me a bill that passed the house and senate with 20b for the wall....not some generic fundind that can be changed or rerouted...it doesn’t exist....

If it did, Trump would have signed it, even if it meant giving dreamers a path to citizenship....he wants it that bad

So...I am from Missouri....show me....what is/ was the bill number?
 
Why not? If the border patrol knows when and where border crossing occurred then they can apprehend the people who set off the alarm.

Not enough agents. That's the equivalence of hiring a perimeter of guards instead of using a wall for your house.
 
Not enough agents. That's the equivalence of hiring a perimeter of guards instead of using a wall for your house.

One house guard is more effective than any number of security walls around a house.
 
Your insane if you think you can fly passenger airliners in & out of Class B airspace like ORD or LAX, without ATC.
If there is no ATC, there is no class B airspace.
Yes, I do question your credentials,
Meh. I am not basing my arguments on my credentials. You can believe me or not about them. There is no way to prove credentials on a blind forum.
or at the least your application of them.
Credentials aren't applied. They simply are.
There's no way you could have gotten in & out of Class B without ATC, legally or physically.
If there is no ATC, there is no class B airspace.
You know the context of the discussion, and it's not about some hypothesis you believe may occur someday, or about flying a 172 VFR into a rural strip.
I don't think you realize what most flights are in the United States. They are small aircraft.
As far as passenger service is concerned, yes, they do operate into airports without ATC.

You probably don't remember when Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers one fine sunny day in August.

Airlines still flew, although at a reduced rate.
 
I wondered how long it would take you to go all authoritarian on me and just like the Dems I will just say shove it. That **** don't work here and never will. We will never accept demands from a minority especially one so lame. It really is a pitiful bunch of losers.

What a crybaby attitude. You don't have any idea what is in the Constitution or why we even HAVE a Constitution, do you?
 
Literally only Trump supporters feel that way. Democrats don't believe that it's the Democrats' fault (though I don't expect that to surprise you), but what you should probably be more concerned about is that nobody in the middle feels that way either.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...pite-his-blaming-democrats-poll-idUSKCN1P92QV

https://graphics.reuters.com/USA-SHUTDOWN-POLL/0100901R02P/index.html

Doesn't matter what the Democrats believe. They don't have the votes to override Trump's veto.
 
If there is no ATC, there is no class B airspace.

Meh. I am not basing my arguments on my credentials. You can believe me or not about them. There is no way to prove credentials on a blind forum.

Credentials aren't applied. They simply are.

If there is no ATC, there is no class B airspace.

I don't think you realize what most flights are in the United States. They are small aircraft.
As far as passenger service is concerned, yes, they do operate into airports without ATC.

You probably don't remember when Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers one fine sunny day in August.

Airlines still flew, although at a reduced rate.

Airlines flew because non union personnel manned the towers.
 
True, but the Dems wanted it even more than he did. I hope this time that the Dems get the blame. I am tired of the GOP taking it on the chin while the Dems high-five each otber.

Join the club.
 
It's quite possible for something to be a speculation and be true at the same time... Just so you are aware...

You mean like Trump 'duping' his base, err 'speculating' that Mexico would pay for his imaginary wall that will never be built ? :lol:
 
Btw...funding for the wall has been proposed numerous times, and in numerous ways

HR 1813 was one such idea....where all monies being sent south were to be taxed at a 2% rate....it would have helped pay for the building and maintenance of the wall on an annual basis

Way too much of our dollars end up going to Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, and other countries never to return....this would have taxed these remittances slightly to increase our national defense....

Just one idea...there are others....
 
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