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Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

Trump administration recalls tens of thousands of federal workers as it seeks to blunt shutdown’s impact

By Jeff Stein
January 15, 2019 at 5:28 PM

The Trump administration on Tuesday said it is calling back tens of thousands of federal workers to fulfill key government tasks, including disbursing tax refunds, overseeing flight safety and inspecting the nation’s food and drug supply, as it seeks to blunt the impact of the longest government shutdown in U.S. history.

The nearly 50,000 furloughed federal employees are being sent back to work without pay - part of a group of about 800,000 federal workers who aren’t receiving paychecks during the shutdown, which affects dozens of federal agencies large and small. A federal judge on Tuesday rejected a bid by unions representing air traffic controllers and other federal workers to force the government to pay them if they are required to work.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...down-warns-key-functions-will-go-unfulfilled/

So, more federal employees are being called back to work without knowing when the next paycheck will arrive, all to foster the illusion that the shutdown won’t cause problems.

Trump is a despicable excuse of a human being.
 
iguanaman said:
I gave you the consensus from Texans and they are overwhelmingly against a wall. Either your friend is a drama queen or should sell his property quick. If you were a true friend you would explain to him that there will be no wall in Texas and most Texans are happy about that. That might get him to leave and save himself a lot of grief.
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I live in TX and know the consensus of the people here, you truly are a legend in your own mind. Amazing how you living in Florida and another poster from Chicago know more about TX than people actually living in the state
 
Into the Night said:
Argument from randU fallacy. You really like to make up numbers, don't you?
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You can see them for yourself HERE.

To most rational people who are able to do arithmetic at the Grade Six level, 54% generally qualifies as "most".

Into the Night said:
Nope. No federal agency is responsible for the rule of law. The Constitution is responsible for the rule of law. That's what a constitution is.
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Actually it isn't. A Constitution is simply a set of rules. "The Rule of Law" is not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States of America.

Into the Night said:
Actually it was a visit to Singapore. KJU of North Korea had a summit with Trump, China, and Russia there. Yes. North Korea has improved relations, and China is considering lifting the sanctions against it.
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According to most reputable international intelligence sources you are correct. President Kim DID promise to "stop testing" and the DPRK has not conducted any nuclear weapons tests. On the other hand, President Kim DID NOT promise to "stop building" and (according to most reputable international intelligence sources) the DPRK has NOT stopped building.

Into the Night said:
Nope. It's still there. It's even still operating on a limited bases despite the shutdown.
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Your "B" does not disprove "iguanaman's" "A". It doesn't even come close. Using you logic, "iguanaman's" statement would be false even if the entire staff of the State Department consisted of one telephone operator.

Into the Night said:
The Cold War is over. Didn't you get the memo?
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Who surrendered?
 
Into the Night said:
You would never fly with me because I am command of the aircraft and would never let you board. At least you admit I have a pilot's license. You have to pass a test for that, you know. You also have to fly maneuvers without the use of ATC.

No, it is YOU that clueless about ATC. Inversion fallacy.
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Have you ever had occasion to compare the ATC situation in Canada with the one in the US.

I don't know how far along the process is (because I've been out of the loop for over 10 years) but Canada was in the process of upgrading all five of its major ATC centers so that any one of them could take over ATC operations for the whole of the Country (and that includes [could include] big chunks of the US as well) - at least one of the upgrades had been completed when I got out of security operations connected with air travel. The ATCs were being linked by dedicated fiberoptic cables with strictly controlled access points.
 
Some right wingers and trump supporters seem to be harboring the illusion that a shutdown will show that things will be just fine if we continue the shutdown.

Well, it’s not as simple as that. For instance, from the FDA WEBSITE:

In addition, the FDA will continue to support activities funded by carryover user fee balances, which allows us to continue to bring new therapeutic options to the patients that need them. However, during the lapse period, the FDA will not have legal authority to accept user fees assessed for FY 2019 until an FY 2019 appropriation or Continuing Resolution for the FDA is enacted. This will mean that the FDA will not be able to accept any regulatory submissions for FY 2019 that require a fee payment and that are submitted du
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https://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/WorkingatFDA/ucm629100.htm

What this means is that approval of new drugs and medical devices will grind to a halt, as long as FDA lacks authority to collect user fees to review new drug and device applications. If you don’t want the government to review these products at all, you first have to repeal a bunch of laws mandating such review, starting with the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, passed about a century ago in response to the death of more than 100 patients due to a sulfanilamide medication where diethylene glycol was used to dissolve the drug and make a liquid form.

Now, if you’re ok with people dying because of unsafe or ineffective medical products, well, I don’t know what to say about such an unenlightened attitude, but I’m sure the would-be snake oil salesmen would agree with you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Food,_Drug,_and_Cosmetic_Act
 
Conservative said:
You have given no logical explanation as to why you are against a wall and living in Florida isn't even an issue for you but national security and the cost of illegal immigration is. Too bad you are too nearsighted to understand the problem
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I'm no different than most Texans and most Americans who oppose Trump AND his mythical wall.. You are the outlier and suffer from Trump/ immigrant mania. What have immigrants done to harm you? I know first hand that Mexicans are less likely to commit crimes than natural born citizens. We have plenty of immigrants in Florida both legal and illegal and they are not a significant problem. Their work keeps you supplied with tomatoes all winter.
 
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Conservative said:
And I gave you first hand knowledge from a friend, guess you want to select who you want to believe, not surprising. Why are you against the wall?
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That's horrible. I feel for you being in that position and without help. Be well and stay safe

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Into the Night said:
He's waiting for the House to pass an acceptable bill. He can open the government within minutes of getting a budget. The Democrats went to lay on the beach in Puerto Rico and ignore the workers who are waiting for them to return to their job and pass an acceptable budget bill.

His oath does not require him to sign a bill.
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His responsibility requires him to sign if it is the will of the people. Both houses did pass a budget that was acceptable to them and (we hope) in line with what their constituents want. We do know that most Americans do not want the wall. Therefore the president is subordinating the will of the people to his own pet projects.

He is failing in his duties and deliberately so.
 
iguanaman said:
I'm no different than most Texans and most Americans who oppose Trump AND his mythical wall.. You are the outlier and suffer from Trump/ immigrant mania. What have immigrants done to harm you? I know first hand that Mexicans are less likely to commit crimes than natural born citizens. We have plenty of immigrants in Florida both legal and illegal and they are not a significant problem. Their work keeps you supplied with tomatoes all winter.
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You do realize that TDS is a sickness? How does 5.8 billion hurt you, your family or the country? Please stop believing you speak for anyone else but yourself. Rather sad that illegal costs don't resonate to you. How much is a human life worth to you?

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uptower said:
His responsibility requires him to sign if it is the will of the people. Both houses did pass a budget that was acceptable to them and (we hope) in line with what their constituents want. We do know that most Americans do not want the wall. Therefore the president is subordinating the will of the people to his own pet projects.

He is failing in his duties and deliberately so.
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It is within his authority take a civics class

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Conservative said:
You do realize that TDS is a sickness?
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You do realize that kissing Trump's ass at any and every occasion while defending him regardless what he does is a fetish?

How does 5.8 billion hurt you, your family or the country?
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DO you have any idea how many children go to bed hungry every day? Do you have a clue how many could be fed with that money?
 
Conservative said:
It is within his authority take a civics class

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You claimed that the house was the “people’s” will and that Obama should listen to the house’s will. Now that the house turned dem, you ignore it like a hypocrite. Pathetic on your part, but then so is the radical con ideology of lying and cheating.
 
Conservative said:
You do realize that TDS is a sickness? How does 5.8 billion hurt you, your family or the country? Please stop believing you speak for anyone else but yourself. Rather sad that illegal costs don't resonate to you. How much is a human life worth to you?

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You know what’s sick? It’s suggesting that opposing the current POTUS (the slanderous “TDS” slur that some of you keep hurling) is a sickness. It’s suggesting that not agreeing that spending $5+B on a wall is somehow unreasonable. It’s the callous attitude towards 800K Federal employees who are going without a paycheck, even though many of them are being forced to continue doing their jobs without pay.
 
Praxas said:
You claimed that the house was the “people’s” will and that Obama should listen to the house’s will. Now that the house turned dem, you ignore it like a hypocrite. Pathetic on your part, but then so is the radical con ideology of lying and cheating.
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How many House seats did the Democrats get in 2018 and Republicans in 2010, get back with the answer! Radicalism is alive and well but the states still got, TWO MORE GOP SEATS IN THE SENATE
 
Birdzeye said:
You know what’s sick? It’s suggesting that opposing the current POTUS (the slanderous “TDS” slur that some of you keep hurling) is a sickness. It’s suggesting that not agreeing that spending $5+B on a wall is somehow unreasonable. It’s the callous attitude towards 800K Federal employees who are going without a paycheck, even though many of them are being forced to continue doing their jobs without pay.
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So you are concerned about 5.8 billion on a 4.4 trillion dollar Govt.? That is a rounding error, give Trump the wall and then hold him accountable for the results. Seems rather simple to me but not to the anything But Trump policies. What are you afraid of, a wall working? they could go back to work tomorrow, Trump doesn't give a damn what you think and isn't going to kick the can down the road like former Presidents and I admire that.
 
Conservative said:
So let's see, you call it a lie when Trump says we have the best economy in history? Does it matter that it may not be the best but it is better than Obama's

Biggest tax cut in history? Does it matter since the tax cuts have led to record state and local tax revenue, record consumer spending and 2 trillion added to GDP?

That the border wall is already being built when sections have indeed been upgraded and money has been spent?

Fact checker seems to make a big deal out of a perceived lie while ignoring the actual results generated. Doesn't appear that those supposed lies matter when you factor in the results!
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When faced with claims of Trump lying your response was to deny it. When presented with the evidence you are happy to obfuscate and deflect. The truth remains that Trump has lied continuously and this doesn’t bother you.
 
MTAtech said:
This is way off-topic
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Very few are staying on topic these days, including you.
MTAtech said:
In any case, Bundy doesn't have standing to make that argument.
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Yes he does.
MTAtech said:
That's an argument if the State of Nevada was contesting that these lands belonged to the state not the federal government.
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They are.
MTAtech said:
To my knowledge, the State isn't contesting that the federal government owns the land.
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They are.
 
Conservative said:
You do realize that TDS is a sickness? How does 5.8 billion hurt you, your family or the country? Please stop believing you speak for anyone else but yourself. Rather sad that illegal costs don't resonate to you. How much is a human life worth to you?

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It really isn't abut the waste of the 5.6 billion. It's about submitting to extortion by an out of control President that knows no bounds. What will he do next if the Dems allow this crime to succeed? I'm certain he would keep on doing what works for him at any cost to the country. He could easily get the money if he reopened govt. and gave the Dems something they wanted. They have already agreed to money for a wall in a deal Trump backed out of. That's how I know this not really about the wall, it's all about a wanna be dictator making Congress bend to his will. It will not succeed. This is America not some sleazy S. American Banana Republic.
 
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Conservative said:
So you are concerned about 5.8 billion on a 4.4 trillion dollar Govt.? That is a rounding error, give Trump the wall and then hold him accountable for the results. Seems rather simple to me but not to the anything But Trump policies. What are you afraid of, a wall working? they could go back to work tomorrow, Trump doesn't give a damn what you think and isn't going to kick the can down the road like former Presidents and I admire that.
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Where is the detailed plan for that money? When the Pentagon asks Congress for funds, Congress know exactly what they’re buying — x number of a particular ship or aircraft.

Is Trump’s wall only going to cost $5 billion? This is not only a bad idea, the bad idea doesn’t even contain specifics.
 
iguanaman said:
I feel sorry for your friend. He went to the trouble to make up all that drama and he is in the minority in Texas and there will never be a wall. It was never a real thing and calling Trump on it is a big mistake. He lied to you so much and you think he told the truth about this? That is hilarious. It is no more real than the claim that Mexico would pay for it.

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The Washington Compost is not a valid reference.
 
MTAtech said:
When faced with claims of Trump lying your response was to deny it. When presented with the evidence you are happy to obfuscate and deflect. The truth remains that Trump has lied continuously and this doesn’t bother you.
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So it really matters to you that he made those claims and although the results may not be totally accurate they are outstanding which you refuse to acknowledge. You call them lies and I call them mis-statements none of which rise to the Obama lie of being able to keep your doctor and your premiums would go down. None quite measure up to the shovel ready job stimulus of 842 billion dollars that saw employment drop 3 million in two years. None quite reach the level of Benghazi being about a video, or IRS going after Conservative groups or politicizing the Justice dept. I could go on but you won't ever get the point, those aren't lies and are a lot closer to the truth than anything Obama or Hillary said and did

This thread is about the border wall and you have given no logical reason to not support it, your hatred for Trump is your justification
 
iguanaman said:
It really isn't abut the waste of the 5.6 billion. It's about submitting to extortion by an out of control President that knows no bounds. What will he do next if the Dems allow this crime to succeed? I'm certain he would keep on doing what works for him at any cost to the country. He could easily get the money if he reopened govt. and gave the Dems something they wanted. They have already agreed to money for a wall in a deal Trump backed out of. This all about a wanna be dictator making Congress bend to his will. It will not succeed. This is America not some sleazy S. American Banana Republic.
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Give me a bill number that has passed senate and House that has actual funding for the wall...minimum of 5 billion

If you can do that, I can assure you it will be signed....

But you can’t because it doesn’t exist
 
Into the Night said:
What the Washington Compost calls lies are not lies. Learn what a fact is. A fact is not a Universal Truth.
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It’s fitting that your avatar is a parrot, because you faithfully parrot right-wing talking points.

Trump’s blatant lies are indeed lies — a fact obvious to anyone with working frontal lobes.

Your claim that Trump’s lies are really the truth is Orwellian.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.
1984
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When 'Truth Isn't Truth' -- Mr. Orwell, Meet Donald Trump's Presidency
https://www.forbes.com/sites/victor...l-meet-donald-trumps-presidency/#ad0b1a746dc8
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