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Trump vows 'very long' government shutdown over border wall

ttwtt78640 said:
I understand that Trump has already uttered a counter offer of $2.1B for a bit of the wall (or is it a pointy-slatted fence now?) and $400K for other CPB goodies. Trump is desperate to get something to call a big win before Pelosi makes him look like (more of?) a total idiot.
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Argument by repetition fallacy. Already answered.
 
Into the Night said:
Too bad. They became victims of their own dependency on government spending. That will happen more and more. If they don't like it, they can go find other more productive work.

You DO realize, don't you, that when a private company does poorly it has to lay off workers as well? They still manage to find jobs, though, with successful companies, or form their own companies.
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That doesnt remove the blame of the incompetence and irresponsibility that led to the company's (and govt's) failure. In this case, that incompetence and irresponsibility affect the entire country, not just those workers.

But I like that you recognized the similarity in failures.
 
Cardinal said:
It's Trump's shutdown. He proudly owned it, a point that is not lost on the American people.
...deleted Fake News...
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Yes. It is Trump shutting down the government. It is because the Democrats can't find a measly $5b for the wall. As long as the Democrats don't want to secure the border, Trump will keep the government shut down. Figure it out, dude.
 
Cardinal said:
We already have a fence. Did you think we didn't already have a barrier of any kind? If so, why did you believe that?
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The fence needs to be modernized and expanded. That's what the $25b is for.
 
Into the Night said:
Irrelevance fallacy.
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argumentum ad nauseam.

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Into the Night said:
Yes. It is Trump shutting down the government. It is because the Democrats can't find a measly $5b for the wall. As long as the Democrats don't want to secure the border, Trump will keep the government shut down. Figure it out, dude.
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The Coast Guard now going without pay...You must be very proud
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Reply based on poor reading comprehension. The post was not a question thus it required no answer.
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Contextomy fallacy. Responses to posts are answers, even though the original post wasn't in the form of a question.
 
Into the Night said:
Yes. It is Trump shutting down the government. It is because the Democrats can't find a measly $5b for the wall. As long as the Democrats don't want to secure the border, Trump will keep the government shut down. Figure it out, dude.
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If Democrats can't find the $5 billion then maybe the Gofundme thing will work.
 
Into the Night said:
The Volt is not an electric car. It is a hybrid. It uses gasoline when it's electric range is exhausted, same as any gasoline powered car.

Charging an electric car still uses carbon based fuels in most cases, since people generally don't charge them exclusively from solar or wind power.
For the L.A area, that fuel is natural gas, coal, nuclear, and hydroelectric power. A tiny fraction is from wind generators.
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And again, you too don't know anything about the Volt, and you also don't know anything about California's residential power footprint either.
In 2017, solar PV and solar thermal power plants produced 24,324 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy or 11.79 percent of the California's total electricity production.
California has also set a target of fifty percent renewable electricity by 2030.

With the Volt's 53 mile EV range, it allows most owners to do about 80% percent of their regular daily driving gasoline free. In the case of my daughter and I, call it 95%.

I did not say that the Volt was a pure EV, this is your imagination, the voices inside your head.
You have a bad habit of acting as if you're gifted with the ability to make thundering pronouncements from Mt. Olympus, and expecting those pronouncements to be accepted as gospel. Most of the time, those pronouncements are fact-free.

Here's your sign:

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Saladin4 said:
The Coast Guard now going without pay...You must be very proud
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Not correct. What is not being funded are things like icebreakers. The coast guard still is performing their primary function.
 
Into the Night said:
Yes. It is Trump shutting down the government. It is because the Democrats can't find a measly $5b for the wall. As long as the Democrats don't want to secure the border, Trump will keep the government shut down. Figure it out, dude.
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The Repubs controlled the whole dam federal government and all they did was get some tax breaks for their supporters. Are you even sure they want the wall built? Figure it out- a few weeks after the Dems take control of the House it suddenly becomes a partisan issue. How's this for a theory- nobody wants to build your damned wall, including the Republicans. Nobody in government wants the supply of cheap labour to dry up and force wages to rise. Nobody wants to have to buy steel on the world market with a 25% tariff on it and have the gov't taxing itself. How's this- the Repubs haven't got anything done because they're incapable of governing.
Your Dear Leader just wants to be able to point at somebody, anybody, to blame.
 
Into the Night said:
Brave words.
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Take a look- America elected a Democratic House for a reason.
Hint- people didn't vote for Democrats because they want a wall built.
 
Cardinal said:
If Democrats can't find the $5 billion then maybe the Gofundme thing will work.
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Maybe. Time will tell. I find it disappointing that Congress won't act to fulfill its responsibilities, however.
 
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Into the Night said:
The fence needs to be modernized and expanded. That's what the $25b is for.
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Trump supporters will say literally anything.

You're not getting your wall, dude.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
And again, you too don't know anything about the Volt, and you also don't know anything about California's residential power footprint either.
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I know all I need about both.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
In 2017, solar PV and solar thermal power plants produced 24,324 gigawatt-hours (GWh) of energy or 11.79 percent of the California's total electricity production.
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Source? My source is the EIA, which doesn't show a figure nearly this high.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
California has also set a target of fifty percent renewable electricity by 2030.
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Irrelevance fallacy. 2030 is not producing power right now, nor is it any kind of guarantee or proof.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
With the Volt's 53 mile EV range, it allows most owners to do about 80% percent of their regular daily driving gasoline free. In the case of my daughter and I, call it 95%.
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Then you are effectively using it as an electric car, but with the added advantage of gasoline refueling when you want it.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I did not say that the Volt was a pure EV, this is your imagination, the voices inside your head.
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No, I am listening to how your claiming how you use the car.
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You have a bad habit of acting as if you're gifted with the ability to make thundering pronouncements from Mt. Olympus, and expecting those pronouncements to be accepted as gospel. Most of the time, those pronouncements are fact-free.
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Learn what a 'fact' is. A 'fact' is not a Universal Truth.

I have given you my source.

You seem to think that I am completely against the Volt. I'm not. You obviously like the car, and have given quite valid reasons for doing so.
The thing I object to is your smugness, and your hatred for anyone using a gasoline powered car, like I do. Enjoy your Volt. It doesn't answer my needs. It obviously answers yours.
 
Into the Night said:
Contextomy fallacy. Responses to posts are answers, even though the original post wasn't in the form of a question.
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Logical fallacy. That reply would be "point already addressed". Of course, such replies are meaningless and amount to no more than "I told you so" and, as such, offer no new content or elaboration on the alleged prior point made.
 
Into the Night said:
Yes. It is Trump shutting down the government. It is because the Democrats can't find a measly $5b for the wall. As long as the Democrats don't want to secure the border, Trump will keep the government shut down. Figure it out, dude.
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That's not quite correct.

The Democrats could find the $5Bn (let's call it "the pianos"), what they want is for Mr. Trump to ACTUALLY pay for them.

Given Mr. Trump's business record, delivering "the pianos" without absolutely rock-solid, iron-clad, completely irrevocable, guarantees for immediate payment is what would be described as "Dumb".
 
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