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[W:108:129]Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
Your justification for this being?

What's stopping me from suing a bakery that doesn't make me that stylish, vagina cake for my brothers bachelor party?
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Yeah the logic being used to justify persecuting this Baker is broken. It becomes obvious when that same logic is applied to other things.

Dicks sells hunting and sporting goods, by the logic being used the gov can prosecute them for not selling me a gun.

A car mechanic must repair any car someone wants repaired

A black minister must perform a wedding ceremony that has a proslavery theme

I could go on and on of examples that rational people would call absurdly unjust.



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Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

trouble13 said:
Yeah the logic being used to justify persecuting this Baker is broken. It becomes obvious when that same logic is applied to other things.

Dicks sells hunting and sporting goods, by the logic being used the gov can prosecute them for not selling me a gun.

A car mechanic must repair any car someone wants repaired

A black minister must perform a wedding ceremony that has a proslavery theme

I could go on and on of examples that rational people would call absurdly unjust.



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Yes, you would be completely correct in the absurdity of those stances.

However I'm trying to figure out why there are those that believe discrimination is down right justified and then denied at what appears to be their whims alone.

It would be comical where it not so downright sad.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
A baker should not be forced to bake a cake with pornography...
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If the baker is a Christian you can bet your bottom dollar he will not be baking nasty cakes for assorted perverts from the leftist democrat party.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
Yes, you would be completely correct in the absurdity of those stances.

However I'm trying to figure out why there are those that believe discrimination is down right justified and then denied at what appears to be their whims alone.

It would be comical where it not so downright sad.
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Frankly they are statists or have statist tendencies. We all discriminate and we are all bigots. Some of it is good and some forms of it are not. It's not the gov job to pick sides. That is a statist position

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Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
So you're hoping for something that can cause grief actually happening, not by chance, but on purpose to people who don't deserve it in the least. Not as some sort of karmic happenstance, but just to suit your sick sense of justice?

Good to see how far on the left you've fallen.
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No, as my quote you included indicated, I have seen and heard of, and in one case close to me, felt sorry for families grappling with the issue. The comment about the baker was a prediction of possible difficult times, not a curse. In my experience, those who tie their religion so closely to some social issues have a hard time, say, when someone they care for turns out to be gay. In the case mentioned, their love eventually trumped their fears.
 
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Oborosen said:
Alright, so lets hypothesis for a second and yes this may be a bit out there but stay with me.

So if I were go to California with a male friend, both of us register as members of the Nazi party and both of us get engaged to one another. Then go to a Jewish owned bakery, ordering a cake that would not only commemorate the holocaust, but also celebrate our wedding. Seeing as we are also planning on holding the wedding on the same day that the holocaust started.

Should we be able to sue if the bakery denies us and or kicks us out?
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The question is NOT "Should we be able to sue if ..." but rather "Since we can sue anyone over anything, no matter how silly or likely of success, will the cost of suing be more, or less, than the amount of damages that we will receive if we win (prorated against our chance of winning)?"

If the answer to the second question is "Yes." then, by all means start shopping for a lawyer.

Of course, your chances of collecting will be much improved if the baker adopts Woody Allen's advice - "I think that we should let them (the Nazis) exercise their freedom of speech by marching (through Skopgie [sp?]). I also think that we should exercise OUR freedom of speech by greeting them with baseball bats.".
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

This whole thing is crazy on both sides.

They wanted a cake pink on the inside and blue on the outside. That sounds fine. Almost like one of these sex of the baby reveal parties.
But no they had to tell the baker the cake was for the gender transition .

If someone wanted a cake with swastikas should we make the Jewish baker make it?


And then it all comes down to this is only a stinking cake. It isn't like they are building a 7 foot tall marble statue. In a matter of days the cake will be stale and nobody could give a damn about it.
 
truthatallcost said:
Autumn Scardina just so happens to be a lawyer, as well as transgender. Her online attorney profile reads, "After a decade of successfully representing large corporations and governmental entities as a trial attorney, she opened Scardina Family Law".

When will these scam artists leave the poor baker alone? Just let him run his bakery. Every quack looking for a quick buck is going to hunt out his cake shop now to order a cake celebrating their mental illness, in order to sue him. Just stop already.
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Don’t worry. a forest fire will consume the comunists.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Bodhisattva said:
:lol: His website says... "Custom designs are his specialty"

Look... it looks like WHOOOOSH! is in order here.... you clearly are not getting the bad analogy's that you are tossing out.
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Does it say "There's nothing we won't design"?

Saying they do custom designs does not say, or imply, that they can and will design anything a customer wants.

It's obvious this is personal with you, otherwise you wouldn't be so hell bent on demonizing the baker for not compromising his religious principals.

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Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

trouble13 said:
Frankly they are statists or have statist tendencies. We all discriminate and we are all bigots. Some of it is good and some forms of it are not. It's not the gov job to pick sides. That is a statist position

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That does make them a statist, yes. However many of these cases are these exact same people dictating how things should run in another state apart from their own. I would be well onboard with the idea if it just stayed within the confines of their own state and didn't have the problem of bleeding over to where I lived as well.

If the standard held by the government actually coincided with them, that would be a better choice as well.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Nickyjo said:
No, as my quote you included indicated, I have seen and heard of, and in one case close to me, felt sorry for families grappling with the issue. The comment about the baker was a prediction of possible difficult times, not a curse. In my experience, those who tie their religion so closely to some social issues have a hard time, say, when someone they care for turns out to be gay. In the case mentioned, their love eventually trumped their fears.
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There is no indication here of such an event happening thought. The baker has revealed that he's more than willing to work with those of such a community. But in the aspect of actively participating in that fashion, he and his people drew the line.
 
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TU Curmudgeon said:
The question is NOT "Should we be able to sue if ..." but rather "Since we can sue anyone over anything, no matter how silly or likely of success, will the cost of suing be more, or less, than the amount of damages that we will receive if we win (prorated against our chance of winning)?"

If the answer to the second question is "Yes." then, by all means start shopping for a lawyer.

Of course, your chances of collecting will be much improved if the baker adopts Woody Allen's advice - "I think that we should let them (the Nazis) exercise their freedom of speech by marching (through Skopgie [sp?]). I also think that we should exercise OUR freedom of speech by greeting them with baseball bats.".
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Then we can sue for assault and/or threats of violence. Win, win in that case.
 
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Oborosen said:
Great, running away from a simple, hypothetical question.

This is what you've willingly reduced yourself to.
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It is unavoidable because you do not understand context.... :shrug:
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
No he didn't refuse service, even though he still won that case, because it was considered an attack on his own freedoms.

This case however, is on the grounds that a transgendered woman asked for a cake that was going to celebrate their transition. Which will most likely be thrown out given the circumstances.
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The Courts are often wrong due to various reasons... sexism, racism, etc.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
Your justification for this being?

What's stopping me from suing a bakery that doesn't make me that stylish, vagina cake for my brothers bachelor party?
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Context... again... something that you are not grasping.

These people and this transitioner asked for a celebration cake... not a ****ing porno cake.

For the ****ing love of god post something that a Freshman might find challenging...
 
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marke said:
If the baker is a Christian you can bet your bottom dollar he will not be baking nasty cakes for assorted perverts from the leftist democrat party.
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A more retarded and utterly stupid post there could not be...
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Grim17 said:
Does it say "There's nothing we won't design"?

Saying they do custom designs does not say, or imply, that they can and will design anything a customer wants.

It's obvious this is personal with you, otherwise you wouldn't be so hell bent on demonizing the baker for not compromising his religious principals.

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It is not personal because I am not gay or whatever... I am a normal reasonable person that does not like to see diphits oppress nice people due to their bigotry and hate.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It is not personal because I am not gay or whatever... I am a normal reasonable person that does not like to see diphits oppress nice people due to their bigotry and hate.
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Oppress nice people? Do you realize who the person is that asked for that cake in the first place and filed the complaint against Phillips?

Let me enlighten you:

Scardina is leading a crusade against Phillips. In one call, Scardina allegedly asked for "an image of Satan smoking marijuana." In a written request, members of "the Church of Satan" asked for "a three-tiered white cake" with a "large figure of Satan, licking a 9" black Dildo." "I would like the dildo to be an actual working model, that can be turned on before we unveil the cake," went the request.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ps_138986.html
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This entire thing is a farce... a set up by a transgender activist trying to destroy a man because of his religious beliefs.

Is that really who you want to support and stand behind?

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Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Grim17 said:
Oppress nice people? Do you realize who the person is that asked for that cake in the first place and filed the complaint against Phillips?

Let me enlighten you:



This entire thing is a farce... a set up by a transgender activist trying to destroy a man because of his religious beliefs.

Is that really who you want to support and stand behind?

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My argument is about the overall concept... not this particular case.

I care about freedoms... you are using this one example to hinder freedom.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Bodhisattva said:
My argument is about the overall concept... not this particular case.

I care about freedoms... you are using this one example to hinder freedom.
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You think it's "freedom" to force a person to do something they don't want to do? That sounds more like something that a communist country would do.

The only freedom being abridged is the baker's. He is being forced by law to create something that's against his beliefs, and it was all a set up to begin with.

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Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Bodhisattva said:
A more retarded and utterly stupid post there could not be...
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Surely you are bod****ving me.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Crosscheck said:
This whole thing is crazy on both sides.

They wanted a cake pink on the inside and blue on the outside. That sounds fine. Almost like one of these sex of the baby reveal parties.
But no they had to tell the baker the cake was for the gender transition .

If someone wanted a cake with swastikas should we make the Jewish baker make it?


And then it all comes down to this is only a stinking cake. It isn't like they are building a 7 foot tall marble statue. In a matter of days the cake will be stale and nobody could give a damn about it.
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Given that the position of the baker was, or ought reasonably to have been, known before the cake was ordered, this is quite clearly a case of harassment on the basis of religious grounds and could well result in judgment AGAINST the people who ordered the cake.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Oborosen said:
Then we can sue for assault and/or threats of violence. Win, win in that case.
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Only if the courts reject the "Stand Your Ground", "Self-Defence", and "I had a sincere belief that the lives and/or safety of others was endangered and the plaintiff didn't stop their threatening actions when called upon to do so." arguments.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Bodhisattva said:
A more retarded and utterly stupid post there could not be...
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Oh sure there could be


f the baker is a christian you can bet your bottom dollar he will not be baking nasty cakes for assorted perverts from the fascist republican party
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would be one of them - for one thing it's got more typographical errors in it.
 
Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

Bodhisattva said:
I am a normal reasonable person that does not like to see diphits oppress nice people due to their bigotry and hate.
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But that is what "dip**its" DO. If they didn't then they wouldn't be "dip**its". Your position denies the essential self-worth of "dip**its".
 
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