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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Gay people are not murdering millions... trying to make an analogy to the Holocaust is always a bad idea.
    Don't run away and answer the question. I didn't come here to listen to you whine about context and at least give a better answer than a simple deflection.

    Yes, or no. Should we be able to sue if they deny us?
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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    If you want to start tossing around insults I am fine with that... but your basic failure in logic shall suffice for now.

    Subway does not make hotdogs... a baker bakes cakes and frosts them with themes.
    Now you're on the right track. Though as a point I was not tossing an insult. You simply opened the door me to stick my foot in and proved that you lack the ability to slam it on said foot.

    They do make cakes, the most likely have a set catalog of cakes that they make as well and I bet that this baker has no cakes that are dolled up for either a gay wedding, or a transition celebration, correct?

    So demanding that they make you a cake, in which they don't actually make themselves wouldn't actually be in your scope of the argument. Do you understand now?
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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A "normal" baker... does that help you understand the difference. Context of generalizations... it is important.
    So they can't be forced to make a cake with genitals on them, but a cake celebrating someone's transition, or their gay wedding. Sure go ahead and force them to make that all you want?
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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The Swastica is not a political lean... it is either a symbol of hate (as in this case) or one of peace (buddhists).
    Still not illegal, therefor there is nothing that keeps them from having to make said cake in your stance.

    Also the swastika is a symbol of the Nazi party on a whole. Which is a political group (despite how small it is) is still protected by law in several states.
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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Refusing to make something is refusing service... who the **** you trying to fool with that idiotic post anyway? LOL
    If a gay person walks into Burger King and orders a Big Mac and the cashier tells the person "I'm sorry, but we don't make burgers that way... but you are welcome to purchase any of the burgers we offer on our menu", has Burger King just refused service to that person and violated public accommodation laws?

    Jack Phillips doesn't create custom, specialty cakes for an event celebrating a person's sex change, no matter who the person is that wants him to do so.

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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Subway does not make hotdogs... a baker bakes cakes and frosts them with themes.
    ... and Jack Phillips doesn't create customized specialty cakes for events that he finds morally objectionable.

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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Don't run away and answer the question. I didn't come here to listen to you whine about context and at least give a better answer than a simple deflection.

    Yes, or no. Should we be able to sue if they deny us?
    It is not a black and white issue... again, context. Sorry...

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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Now you're on the right track. Though as a point I was not tossing an insult. You simply opened the door me to stick my foot in and proved that you lack the ability to slam it on said foot.

    They do make cakes, the most likely have a set catalog of cakes that they make as well and I bet that this baker has no cakes that are dolled up for either a gay wedding, or a transition celebration, correct?

    So demanding that they make you a cake, in which they don't actually make themselves wouldn't actually be in your scope of the argument. Do you understand now?
    Does the baker baker wedding cakes? Yes.

    Did the baker refuse service to people seeking a wedding cake? Yes.

    Hmmm....

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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    So they can't be forced to make a cake with genitals on them, but a cake celebrating someone's transition, or their gay wedding. Sure go ahead and force them to make that all you want?
    Yes...

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    Re: Colorado baker back in court after refusing to make cake celebrating gender transition

    Quote Originally Posted by Oborosen View Post
    Still not illegal, therefor there is nothing that keeps them from having to make said cake in your stance.

    Also the swastika is a symbol of the Nazi party on a whole. Which is a political group (despite how small it is) is still protected by law in several states.
    Nazi's do not own the swastica...

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